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Got a threatening letter regarding tethering and my unlimited data package for my iphone
Edited by pamelaz on Aug 18, 2011 at 7:35:42 PM

I received a text message, an email, and now a letter from AT&T saying if I didn't stop using tethering on my iPhone, that my unlimited data plan would be removed and I would be signed up for a 4 gig limited + tethering plan.

1)  Wouldn't I have to HAVE a tethering plan before I could tether???  HELLOOOoooOO!!!  AT&T- pull your head out of your butt and get with the program here.

2)  Is it legal for a cell phone company to change your plan without your consent?

3)  If they do, I would imagine that would break the contract since that would not be the terms you signed the contract under.

4)  Anybody else being threatened with this?  Looks to me like AT&T just wants to get rid of all of us old-timers that still have unlimited plans.  [Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].

I received a text message, an email, and now a letter from AT&T saying if I didn't stop using tethering on my iPhone, that my unlimited data plan would be removed and I would be signed up for a 4 gig limited + tethering plan.

1)  Wouldn't I have to HAVE a tethering plan before I could tether???  HELLOOOoooOO!!!  AT&T- pull your head out of your butt and get with the program here.

2)  Is it legal for a cell phone company to change your plan without your consent?

3)  If they do, I would imagine that would break the contract since that would not be the terms you signed the contract under.

4)  Anybody else being threatened with this?  Looks to me like AT&T just wants to get rid of all of us old-timers that still have unlimited plans.  [Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].

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emtiv334 wrote:

I received a text message, an email, and now a letter from AT&T saying if I didn't stop using tethering on my iPhone, that my unlimited data plan would be removed and I would be signed up for a 4 gig limited + tethering plan.

1)  Wouldn't I have to HAVE a tethering plan before I could tether???  HELLOOOoooOO!!!  AT&T- pull your head out of your butt and get with the program here.

2)  Is it legal for a cell phone company to change your plan without your consent?

3)  If they do, I would imagine that would break the contract since that would not be the terms you signed the contract under.

4)  Anybody else being threatened with this?  Looks to me like AT&T just wants to get rid of all of us old-timers that still have unlimited plans.  [Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].


[Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].

 

ATT sent that to you becasue the type of data and volume probably looks like you are tethering?  Did you jailbreak your phone?  If not, using the Online account management, what volume of data are you using month-in-month out?

 

As for can they do this, yes; tethering is against the terms of service for the smartphone data plans unless you add the right tethering plan and change from the unlimited plan to the 2GB plan.  Since tetherhing is against the terms of service, and ATT is changing your plan to match your usage and they sent you this warning, no you do not have grounds to get our of your contract.

 

Now if you are not tethering, call ATT and ask to speak with someone.   Do not wait because once your unlimited data plan is gone, it is gone!  It is not a conspiracy to get people off the unlimited data plans but an effort to get those who are thethering on the right plans per the terms of service.  There is something going on on your line that looks like tethering to them.  A good discussion with them may clear this up and you won't even need a lawyer!

 

Here is the phone number to call them at:

 

For service or support questions including existing order status, call:
Customer Support: 1-800-331-0500

http://www.att.com/econtactus/callUs.jsp?serviceGroup=wireless#wireless



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emtiv334 wrote:

I received a text message, an email, and now a letter from AT&T saying if I didn't stop using tethering on my iPhone, that my unlimited data plan would be removed and I would be signed up for a 4 gig limited + tethering plan.

1)  Wouldn't I have to HAVE a tethering plan before I could tether???  HELLOOOoooOO!!!  AT&T- pull your head out of your butt and get with the program here.

2)  Is it legal for a cell phone company to change your plan without your consent?

3)  If they do, I would imagine that would break the contract since that would not be the terms you signed the contract under.

4)  Anybody else being threatened with this?  Looks to me like AT&T just wants to get rid of all of us old-timers that still have unlimited plans.  [Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].


[Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].

 

ATT sent that to you becasue the type of data and volume probably looks like you are tethering?  Did you jailbreak your phone?  If not, using the Online account management, what volume of data are you using month-in-month out?

 

As for can they do this, yes; tethering is against the terms of service for the smartphone data plans unless you add the right tethering plan and change from the unlimited plan to the 2GB plan.  Since tetherhing is against the terms of service, and ATT is changing your plan to match your usage and they sent you this warning, no you do not have grounds to get our of your contract.

 

Now if you are not tethering, call ATT and ask to speak with someone.   Do not wait because once your unlimited data plan is gone, it is gone!  It is not a conspiracy to get people off the unlimited data plans but an effort to get those who are thethering on the right plans per the terms of service.  There is something going on on your line that looks like tethering to them.  A good discussion with them may clear this up and you won't even need a lawyer!

 

Here is the phone number to call them at:

 

For service or support questions including existing order status, call:
Customer Support: 1-800-331-0500

http://www.att.com/econtactus/callUs.jsp?serviceGroup=wireless#wireless



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For service or support questions including existing order status, call:
Customer Support: 1-800-331-0500

Information on iPhone unlocking can be found here by copying this link into your browser:
https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/client/en_US/
Posted from my iPhone _____________________________ For service or support questions including existing order status, call: Customer Support: 1-800-331-0500 Information on iPhone unlocking can be found here by copying this link into your browser: https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/client/en_US/

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If you don't stop tethering, yes it's legal for AT&T to change your plan and no it will not break the contract.

If you don't stop tethering, yes it's legal for AT&T to change your plan and no it will not break the contract.

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emtiv334 wrote:

I received a text message, an email, and now a letter from AT&T saying if I didn't stop using tethering on my iPhone, that my unlimited data plan would be removed and I would be signed up for a 4 gig limited + tethering plan.

1)  Wouldn't I have to HAVE a tethering plan before I could tether???  HELLOOOoooOO!!!  AT&T- pull your head out of your butt and get with the program here.

2)  Is it legal for a cell phone company to change your plan without your consent?

3)  If they do, I would imagine that would break the contract since that would not be the terms you signed the contract under.

4)  Anybody else being threatened with this?  Looks to me like AT&T just wants to get rid of all of us old-timers that still have unlimited plans.  [Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].



1. No there are methods out there that will allow a person to tether without having the service, tethering does not require the plan.

2. Well within the rights of the terms of service - there is a clause in there that specificly states that you agree to let the carrier modify your serivce to bring it within the designated requirements - read the TOS if you don;t believe it

3. Not in the least,  if in fact you are tethering your phone with out the required plans you are the one in violation of the terms of service, not the carrier

4. read the internet,  the letters have been going out to people that appear to violate the tos for months. ATT is trying to clean up the users that are violating the TOS and doing things such as tethering without a valid plan. Tethering never was a function of a unlimited plan, it always required a seperate plan - if one was available for the phone style.

 

ATT is not the only carrier that has started enforcing thier fair use policy, other ones are also. The next change is starting soon - throttling of unlimited data plans that exceed a maximum amout of data transfered withion a billing cycle - again, well withing the legal rights of the terms of service that was agreed to by users - but probably did not read.


emtiv334 wrote:

I received a text message, an email, and now a letter from AT&T saying if I didn't stop using tethering on my iPhone, that my unlimited data plan would be removed and I would be signed up for a 4 gig limited + tethering plan.

1)  Wouldn't I have to HAVE a tethering plan before I could tether???  HELLOOOoooOO!!!  AT&T- pull your head out of your butt and get with the program here.

2)  Is it legal for a cell phone company to change your plan without your consent?

3)  If they do, I would imagine that would break the contract since that would not be the terms you signed the contract under.

4)  Anybody else being threatened with this?  Looks to me like AT&T just wants to get rid of all of us old-timers that still have unlimited plans.  [Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].



1. No there are methods out there that will allow a person to tether without having the service, tethering does not require the plan.

2. Well within the rights of the terms of service - there is a clause in there that specificly states that you agree to let the carrier modify your serivce to bring it within the designated requirements - read the TOS if you don;t believe it

3. Not in the least,  if in fact you are tethering your phone with out the required plans you are the one in violation of the terms of service, not the carrier

4. read the internet,  the letters have been going out to people that appear to violate the tos for months. ATT is trying to clean up the users that are violating the TOS and doing things such as tethering without a valid plan. Tethering never was a function of a unlimited plan, it always required a seperate plan - if one was available for the phone style.

 

ATT is not the only carrier that has started enforcing thier fair use policy, other ones are also. The next change is starting soon - throttling of unlimited data plans that exceed a maximum amout of data transfered withion a billing cycle - again, well withing the legal rights of the terms of service that was agreed to by users - but probably did not read.

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I just received one of these letters as well. I do not tether but travel over 50% of the time and watch Netflick's and Sling Media on my phone. I attach it through my iPhone adaptor to LCD TV's in my room to watch shows (13G a month sometimes). I called AT&T and they told me if I connect my phone to a TV to watch streaming movies that is considered tethering and violates my unlimited data plan and if I do it after October 31st I will be moved to a 2G plans. How is this possibly right. They sell the cables to do this but you are not allowed to view your content on a larger screen. That is not right. I talk to several account managers (low level people that do not know what they are talking about) and was repeatedly told the same thing and they would not explain how this is tethering or the method that is being used to check this. While the AT&T person the commented below says they are not attacking unlimited data plans there is no other reasonable explanation. I have been attaching my phone to LCD TV's for years but moire so recently with all my travel so it is obviously only based on the amount of data usage and no real info on how the data is being used. I ask others to join me in [Per Guidelines: Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].on AT&T on a bait and switch when they sold us unlimited data and know are prevent us in using the data plan in perfectly proper manner. This is not right and something must be done. I am going into the store today to show them I have an iOS5 operating system that is not jailbroke and can not be tethered and see what they have to say about this threat that will remove my unlimited plan if they feel I am using to much data next month with no recourse on my part.

I just received one of these letters as well. I do not tether but travel over 50% of the time and watch Netflick's and Sling Media on my phone. I attach it through my iPhone adaptor to LCD TV's in my room to watch shows (13G a month sometimes). I called AT&T and they told me if I connect my phone to a TV to watch streaming movies that is considered tethering and violates my unlimited data plan and if I do it after October 31st I will be moved to a 2G plans. How is this possibly right. They sell the cables to do this but you are not allowed to view your content on a larger screen. That is not right. I talk to several account managers (low level people that do not know what they are talking about) and was repeatedly told the same thing and they would not explain how this is tethering or the method that is being used to check this. While the AT&T person the commented below says they are not attacking unlimited data plans there is no other reasonable explanation. I have been attaching my phone to LCD TV's for years but moire so recently with all my travel so it is obviously only based on the amount of data usage and no real info on how the data is being used. I ask others to join me in [Per Guidelines: Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].on AT&T on a bait and switch when they sold us unlimited data and know are prevent us in using the data plan in perfectly proper manner. This is not right and something must be done. I am going into the store today to show them I have an iOS5 operating system that is not jailbroke and can not be tethered and see what they have to say about this threat that will remove my unlimited plan if they feel I am using to much data next month with no recourse on my part.

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When you hook your phone to another device, that is "tethering"
Here is the definition of tethering "Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."
It doesn't say computer, it says other devices. What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple.
If you were watching on your phone, that is not tethering.
When you hook your phone to another device, that is "tethering"
Here is the definition of tethering "Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."
It doesn't say computer, it says other devices. What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple.
If you were watching on your phone, that is not tethering.
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kdfederer wrote:
When you hook your phone to another device, that is "tethering"
Here is the definition of tethering "Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."
It doesn't say computer, it says other devices. What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple.
If you were watching on your phone, that is not tethering.


Appears that connecting to a bluetooth device to stream audio to the radio in cars or a tv is being considered as tethering also, since the bluetooth device has it's own unique MAC address, so streaming Pandora to your MS sync equipped car is tetheirng., which by the definition is correct


kdfederer wrote:
When you hook your phone to another device, that is "tethering"
Here is the definition of tethering "Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."
It doesn't say computer, it says other devices. What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple.
If you were watching on your phone, that is not tethering.


Appears that connecting to a bluetooth device to stream audio to the radio in cars or a tv is being considered as tethering also, since the bluetooth device has it's own unique MAC address, so streaming Pandora to your MS sync equipped car is tetheirng., which by the definition is correct

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I'm not going to get into the debate over what is or is not tethering, but there's about ZERO chance you're going to continue being able to use 10+GB a month and not have to pay for it. AT&T has apparently been sending out a number of these notices to extraordinary users, and they may be using the tethering angle to give their argument greater force of law. 

 

Sorry, but them's the breaks. Even Comcast is capping users now. AT&T is either going to force you to switch plans, or is going to start throttling your service so it's not usable past some X number of GB yet to be disclosed.

 


pzahos wrote:

I just received one of these letters as well. I do not tether but travel over 50% of the time and watch Netflick's and Sling Media on my phone. I attach it through my iPhone adaptor to LCD TV's in my room to watch shows (13G a month sometimes). I called AT&T and they told me if I connect my phone to a TV to watch streaming movies that is considered tethering and violates my unlimited data plan and if I do it after October 31st I will be moved to a 2G plans. How is this possibly right. They sell the cables to do this but you are not allowed to view your content on a larger screen. That is not right. I talk to several account managers (low level people that do not know what they are talking about) and was repeatedly told the same thing and they would not explain how this is tethering or the method that is being used to check this. While the AT&T person the commented below says they are not attacking unlimited data plans there is no other reasonable explanation. I have been attaching my phone to LCD TV's for years but moire so recently with all my travel so it is obviously only based on the amount of data usage and no real info on how the data is being used. I ask others to join me in [Per Guidelines: Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].on AT&T on a bait and switch when they sold us unlimited data and know are prevent us in using the data plan in perfectly proper manner. This is not right and something must be done. I am going into the store today to show them I have an iOS5 operating system that is not jailbroke and can not be tethered and see what they have to say about this threat that will remove my unlimited plan if they feel I am using to much data next month with no recourse on my part.




I'm not going to get into the debate over what is or is not tethering, but there's about ZERO chance you're going to continue being able to use 10+GB a month and not have to pay for it. AT&T has apparently been sending out a number of these notices to extraordinary users, and they may be using the tethering angle to give their argument greater force of law. 

 

Sorry, but them's the breaks. Even Comcast is capping users now. AT&T is either going to force you to switch plans, or is going to start throttling your service so it's not usable past some X number of GB yet to be disclosed.

 


pzahos wrote:

I just received one of these letters as well. I do not tether but travel over 50% of the time and watch Netflick's and Sling Media on my phone. I attach it through my iPhone adaptor to LCD TV's in my room to watch shows (13G a month sometimes). I called AT&T and they told me if I connect my phone to a TV to watch streaming movies that is considered tethering and violates my unlimited data plan and if I do it after October 31st I will be moved to a 2G plans. How is this possibly right. They sell the cables to do this but you are not allowed to view your content on a larger screen. That is not right. I talk to several account managers (low level people that do not know what they are talking about) and was repeatedly told the same thing and they would not explain how this is tethering or the method that is being used to check this. While the AT&T person the commented below says they are not attacking unlimited data plans there is no other reasonable explanation. I have been attaching my phone to LCD TV's for years but moire so recently with all my travel so it is obviously only based on the amount of data usage and no real info on how the data is being used. I ask others to join me in [Per Guidelines: Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].on AT&T on a bait and switch when they sold us unlimited data and know are prevent us in using the data plan in perfectly proper manner. This is not right and something must be done. I am going into the store today to show them I have an iOS5 operating system that is not jailbroke and can not be tethered and see what they have to say about this threat that will remove my unlimited plan if they feel I am using to much data next month with no recourse on my part.




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The problem isn't that they need to cap traffic, the problem is that they sell a service as UNLIMITED, then decide later to implement arbitrary, unpublished caps.  They they want to hide behind the term "tethering".  Thethering means sharing the data connection - it does not have anything to do with the means of viewing the screen.  If I put one of those magnifying lenses on my screen so it appeared bigger, would that be tethering?  Hooking it via analog cable to TV isn't tethering either.

 

Come clean AT&T.  Just publish the bandwidth limitations for all your services including "unlimited", then provide your customers of reasonable warnings of their bandwidth usage.  

 

Simple, honest, ethical.

mgg

 

The problem isn't that they need to cap traffic, the problem is that they sell a service as UNLIMITED, then decide later to implement arbitrary, unpublished caps.  They they want to hide behind the term "tethering".  Thethering means sharing the data connection - it does not have anything to do with the means of viewing the screen.  If I put one of those magnifying lenses on my screen so it appeared bigger, would that be tethering?  Hooking it via analog cable to TV isn't tethering either.

 

Come clean AT&T.  Just publish the bandwidth limitations for all your services including "unlimited", then provide your customers of reasonable warnings of their bandwidth usage.  

 

Simple, honest, ethical.

mgg

 

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AT&T does....look in their Wireless Customer Agreement. It's spelled out pretty clearly that 5GB is the limit of even the "unlimited" data plans. One way or the other, they'll get people who are regularly using more than that amount of data - either by notifying them that they'll be required to change or by throttling them (although I'm not sure if AT&T, unlike T-Mobile, does that).

AT&T does....look in their Wireless Customer Agreement. It's spelled out pretty clearly that 5GB is the limit of even the "unlimited" data plans. One way or the other, they'll get people who are regularly using more than that amount of data - either by notifying them that they'll be required to change or by throttling them (although I'm not sure if AT&T, unlike T-Mobile, does that).

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The problem isn't that they need to cap traffic, the problem is that they sell a service as UNLIMITED, then decide later to implement arbitrary, unpublished caps.  They they want to hide behind the term "tethering".  Thethering means sharing the data connection - it does not have anything to do with the means of viewing the screen.  If I put one of those magnifying lenses on my screen so it appeared bigger, would that be tethering?  Hooking it via analog cable to TV isn't tethering either.

 

Come clean AT&T.  Just publish the bandwidth limitations for all your services including "unlimited", then provide your customers of reasonable warnings of their bandwidth usage.  

 

Simple, honest, ethical.

mgg

 


as mentioned - it is called the Fair Use policy and it is in the terms for wireless usage. the majority of carriers have the same thing built into their terms of service - ATT, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint even thel lowly Cricket has it.

 

 By your definition, tehtering is sharing data - data is anything that comes across the net, movies, web browsing, music, it is all data, so by your definition, tethering your smartphone to your home bluetooth capable stero, or you bluetooth equiped car to play music is tethering. The only exception is connecting the phone to a blue tooth device for voice communication - and it is different


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The problem isn't that they need to cap traffic, the problem is that they sell a service as UNLIMITED, then decide later to implement arbitrary, unpublished caps.  They they want to hide behind the term "tethering".  Thethering means sharing the data connection - it does not have anything to do with the means of viewing the screen.  If I put one of those magnifying lenses on my screen so it appeared bigger, would that be tethering?  Hooking it via analog cable to TV isn't tethering either.

 

Come clean AT&T.  Just publish the bandwidth limitations for all your services including "unlimited", then provide your customers of reasonable warnings of their bandwidth usage.  

 

Simple, honest, ethical.

mgg

 


as mentioned - it is called the Fair Use policy and it is in the terms for wireless usage. the majority of carriers have the same thing built into their terms of service - ATT, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint even thel lowly Cricket has it.

 

 By your definition, tehtering is sharing data - data is anything that comes across the net, movies, web browsing, music, it is all data, so by your definition, tethering your smartphone to your home bluetooth capable stero, or you bluetooth equiped car to play music is tethering. The only exception is connecting the phone to a blue tooth device for voice communication - and it is different

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I got the same letter too!!Makes me very dissatisfied with AT&T.Im out as soon as a better carrier comes along with other millions of customers.This all started because of greed!!Verizon and AT&T are in bed together concerning the data plans because they know Sprint is sorry and also slows down speed too...So with all that being said my friends...just be patient because companies like republic wireless will be popping up now because ALL the main carriers have became consumed with major greed.I dare say it's a racket between all 3.There is too much demand for unlimited data for it to be only limited
plans.Patience is key.....AT&T SUCKs!!
I got the same letter too!!Makes me very dissatisfied with AT&T.Im out as soon as a better carrier comes along with other millions of customers.This all started because of greed!!Verizon and AT&T are in bed together concerning the data plans because they know Sprint is sorry and also slows down speed too...So with all that being said my friends...just be patient because companies like republic wireless will be popping up now because ALL the main carriers have became consumed with major greed.I dare say it's a racket between all 3.There is too much demand for unlimited data for it to be only limited
plans.Patience is key.....AT&T SUCKs!!

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I got the same letter too!!Makes me very dissatisfied with AT&T.Im out as soon as a better carrier comes along with other millions of customers.This all started because of greed!!Verizon and AT&T are in bed together concerning the data plans because they know Sprint is sorry and also slows down speed too...So with all that being said my friends...just be patient because companies like republic wireless will be popping up now because ALL the main carriers have became consumed with major greed.I dare say it's a racket between all 3.There is too much demand for unlimited data for it to be only limited
plans.Patience is key.....AT&T SUCKs!!

You might try Cricket - oh wait they do the exact same thing. Bottom line, unlimited data, be it broadband or wireless is as dead as the dodo bird.  If you are going to be waiting for a better carrier to come along you will be with att for a number of years. Unfortunately the churn numbers for ATT do not support the theory of "millions of people", inducstry average is about 3 percent chrun, ATT has maintained a little over half that percentage.

 

You realize that republic wireless actually buys tower bandwidth from sprint right? The only reason they can offer the low price that they do is they utilzie what is called Hybrid calling technology, ot means that if there is public wifi avaialble it wil use that instead of cellular - the caveat there being if your non-wireless utilization is to high, they will boot you (you get 300mb of cellular data allotment). If you think a company like republic wireless is the answer you are sadly mistaken. According to this 5th estate review of the company, they seem a little more greedy then the top 3 tiered carriers

 

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57320773-251/republic-wireless-unlimited-android-phone-for-$19-...


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I got the same letter too!!Makes me very dissatisfied with AT&T.Im out as soon as a better carrier comes along with other millions of customers.This all started because of greed!!Verizon and AT&T are in bed together concerning the data plans because they know Sprint is sorry and also slows down speed too...So with all that being said my friends...just be patient because companies like republic wireless will be popping up now because ALL the main carriers have became consumed with major greed.I dare say it's a racket between all 3.There is too much demand for unlimited data for it to be only limited
plans.Patience is key.....AT&T SUCKs!!

You might try Cricket - oh wait they do the exact same thing. Bottom line, unlimited data, be it broadband or wireless is as dead as the dodo bird.  If you are going to be waiting for a better carrier to come along you will be with att for a number of years. Unfortunately the churn numbers for ATT do not support the theory of "millions of people", inducstry average is about 3 percent chrun, ATT has maintained a little over half that percentage.

 

You realize that republic wireless actually buys tower bandwidth from sprint right? The only reason they can offer the low price that they do is they utilzie what is called Hybrid calling technology, ot means that if there is public wifi avaialble it wil use that instead of cellular - the caveat there being if your non-wireless utilization is to high, they will boot you (you get 300mb of cellular data allotment). If you think a company like republic wireless is the answer you are sadly mistaken. According to this 5th estate review of the company, they seem a little more greedy then the top 3 tiered carriers

 

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57320773-251/republic-wireless-unlimited-android-phone-for-$19-per-month/

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Got the same letter, My phone is "jailbroke" and I did tether one weekend when my house internet was down. I didnt realize unlimited was just a sales pitch, but so be it. I received a text making me aware of the fact that tethering was against my service agreement so I stopped. A month later i get the letter from AT&T and I call them. The Lady preceeds to tell me that I must update my phone to the latest firmware or my plan will be changed. What!!! I told her that I had thethered and had stopped when I received the text and that I did not appreciate the threats from AT&T and that my phone was jailbroke and that it is legal to do so. She imediatlely backed off and said since I new that I was tethering and had stopped i had nothing to worry about. Someone said that this is not a conspiracy by AT&T, BULL!

Got the same letter, My phone is "jailbroke" and I did tether one weekend when my house internet was down. I didnt realize unlimited was just a sales pitch, but so be it. I received a text making me aware of the fact that tethering was against my service agreement so I stopped. A month later i get the letter from AT&T and I call them. The Lady preceeds to tell me that I must update my phone to the latest firmware or my plan will be changed. What!!! I told her that I had thethered and had stopped when I received the text and that I did not appreciate the threats from AT&T and that my phone was jailbroke and that it is legal to do so. She imediatlely backed off and said since I new that I was tethering and had stopped i had nothing to worry about. Someone said that this is not a conspiracy by AT&T, BULL!

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AT&T does....look in their Wireless Customer Agreement. It's spelled out pretty clearly that 5GB is the limit of even the "unlimited" data plans. One way or the other, they'll get people who are regularly using more than that amount of data - either by notifying them that they'll be required to change or by throttling them (although I'm not sure if AT&T, unlike T-Mobile, does that).


5gb?  I was throttled at 4.5 last month and will be watching closely this month to see exactly when I hit (if I hit) that number again.  If you think I'm paying more than $30 for a data plan that's crazy.


BadBadLeroyBrown wrote:

AT&T does....look in their Wireless Customer Agreement. It's spelled out pretty clearly that 5GB is the limit of even the "unlimited" data plans. One way or the other, they'll get people who are regularly using more than that amount of data - either by notifying them that they'll be required to change or by throttling them (although I'm not sure if AT&T, unlike T-Mobile, does that).


5gb?  I was throttled at 4.5 last month and will be watching closely this month to see exactly when I hit (if I hit) that number again.  If you think I'm paying more than $30 for a data plan that's crazy.

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"Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."

 

What he is doing is NOT tethering. He is not sharing the Internet connection of the phone with other devices-- he is sharing the screen of the device, and sharing the audio of the device. In this setup, the television isn't capable of connecting to the Internet via the phone, it cannot send or receive IP packets. What he is doing is "tethering" inasmuch as it would be tethering if he pointed a video camera at the screen of his phone and used that to show the screen on a TV. The support rep he spoke to is just trying to get him off the line with a bogus explanation.

 

IF, on the other hand, he tethered an Internet-capable television OR DVD-player, which streamed Netflix via the Internet-- THAT would be tethering. That's an example of tethering a device other than a computer.

 

"What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple." What you are saying is wrong. Plain and simple.

"Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."

 

What he is doing is NOT tethering. He is not sharing the Internet connection of the phone with other devices-- he is sharing the screen of the device, and sharing the audio of the device. In this setup, the television isn't capable of connecting to the Internet via the phone, it cannot send or receive IP packets. What he is doing is "tethering" inasmuch as it would be tethering if he pointed a video camera at the screen of his phone and used that to show the screen on a TV. The support rep he spoke to is just trying to get him off the line with a bogus explanation.

 

IF, on the other hand, he tethered an Internet-capable television OR DVD-player, which streamed Netflix via the Internet-- THAT would be tethering. That's an example of tethering a device other than a computer.

 

"What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple." What you are saying is wrong. Plain and simple.

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I'd like to thank everyone who posted about this. I too got the love letter from AT&T. As far as I know, when I started my unlimited plan, there wasn't even the ability to "tether". Maybe AT&T should just admit that they created a plan they never expected to grow out of its control. I feel that they should allow AT&T users who have this grandfathered plan to use the phone how they please. I have several phones all on the unlimited plan. Only 1 has the "excessive" use. Why can't AT&T just let it go? I could understand if all my phones where mass consumers of data, but it's just the 1 on the account. Sorry for the rant, just venting a little.
I'd like to thank everyone who posted about this. I too got the love letter from AT&T. As far as I know, when I started my unlimited plan, there wasn't even the ability to "tether". Maybe AT&T should just admit that they created a plan they never expected to grow out of its control. I feel that they should allow AT&T users who have this grandfathered plan to use the phone how they please. I have several phones all on the unlimited plan. Only 1 has the "excessive" use. Why can't AT&T just let it go? I could understand if all my phones where mass consumers of data, but it's just the 1 on the account. Sorry for the rant, just venting a little.

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Just to add a little more to my last rant.
If I have 3 phones all with unlimited data on the family plan, and my other phones are well within the 5gb per month "limit". Then why can't my 1 phone that goes above and "limit" of the "unlimited" plan just use the remaining data left over from my other phones. Like a roll over data plan, or a fimily share data plan. That does sound fair, right?
Just to add a little more to my last rant.
If I have 3 phones all with unlimited data on the family plan, and my other phones are well within the 5gb per month "limit". Then why can't my 1 phone that goes above and "limit" of the "unlimited" plan just use the remaining data left over from my other phones. Like a roll over data plan, or a fimily share data plan. That does sound fair, right?

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kdfederer wrote:
When you hook your phone to another device, that is "tethering"
Here is the definition of tethering "Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."
It doesn't say computer, it says other devices. What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple.
If you were watching on your phone, that is not tethering.


Appears that connecting to a bluetooth device to stream audio to the radio in cars or a tv is being considered as tethering also, since the bluetooth device has it's own unique MAC address, so streaming Pandora to your MS sync equipped car is tetheirng., which by the definition is correct


So if I run netflix on my iphone, and run that to a TV, this is "by definition" tethering? That's news to me...I guess they've decided to change the definition of another term?


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kdfederer wrote:
When you hook your phone to another device, that is "tethering"
Here is the definition of tethering "Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."
It doesn't say computer, it says other devices. What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple.
If you were watching on your phone, that is not tethering.


Appears that connecting to a bluetooth device to stream audio to the radio in cars or a tv is being considered as tethering also, since the bluetooth device has it's own unique MAC address, so streaming Pandora to your MS sync equipped car is tetheirng., which by the definition is correct


So if I run netflix on my iphone, and run that to a TV, this is "by definition" tethering? That's news to me...I guess they've decided to change the definition of another term?

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It is a conspiracy to take people off unlimited data plans. If one says otherwise, they are either naive of part of the conspiracy.
It is a conspiracy to take people off unlimited data plans. If one says otherwise, they are either naive of part of the conspiracy.

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AT&T gas pump would be something like this:
$4/gal for driver only
$6/gal if there are passenger in the car.

It is against usage policy to pay $4/gal and drive with multiple passengers.
AT&T gas pump would be something like this:
$4/gal for driver only
$6/gal if there are passenger in the car.

It is against usage policy to pay $4/gal and drive with multiple passengers.

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wingrider01 wrote:

kdfederer wrote:
When you hook your phone to another device, that is "tethering"
Here is the definition of tethering "Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."
It doesn't say computer, it says other devices. What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple.
If you were watching on your phone, that is not tethering.


Appears that connecting to a bluetooth device to stream audio to the radio in cars or a tv is being considered as tethering also, since the bluetooth device has it's own unique MAC address, so streaming Pandora to your MS sync equipped car is tetheirng., which by the definition is correct


So if I run netflix on my iphone, and run that to a TV, this is "by definition" tethering? That's news to me...I guess they've decided to change the definition of another term?



can depend on how you hook it up - not sure if there are and tv's that have a bluetooth connection out yet, but if you USB it, there is no new MAC address. As far as "changing the definition of tethering" have not seen the official carrier definition of tethering, been unable to find it on any of their agreements, so have no idea if it has been changed or not. Every hear of the term "speculation" on a subject?


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wingrider01 wrote:

kdfederer wrote:
When you hook your phone to another device, that is "tethering"
Here is the definition of tethering "Tethering means sharing the Internet connection of an Internet-capable mobile phone with other devices."
It doesn't say computer, it says other devices. What you are doing is tethering. Plain and simple.
If you were watching on your phone, that is not tethering.


Appears that connecting to a bluetooth device to stream audio to the radio in cars or a tv is being considered as tethering also, since the bluetooth device has it's own unique MAC address, so streaming Pandora to your MS sync equipped car is tetheirng., which by the definition is correct


So if I run netflix on my iphone, and run that to a TV, this is "by definition" tethering? That's news to me...I guess they've decided to change the definition of another term?



can depend on how you hook it up - not sure if there are and tv's that have a bluetooth connection out yet, but if you USB it, there is no new MAC address. As far as "changing the definition of tethering" have not seen the official carrier definition of tethering, been unable to find it on any of their agreements, so have no idea if it has been changed or not. Every hear of the term "speculation" on a subject?

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Verizon by law cant do this anymore, AT@T is next on the FCC hit list. Verzion was forced to pay a 1.25 million dollar fine for trying to stop their tiered customers from teathering, turns out if you have a set data limit acording to the FFC you most certainly can teather, it's the unlimited folks that run into problems.

 

 

So if your teathering and getting a letter just tell AT@T your moving to verizon if they dont stop harrasing you, they will stop sending you letters and leave you be, they want your $2500 a contract. Remind them they are breaking FCC law by telling you how you can use your tiered data plan as long as they are leasing bandwith from uncle sam.

Verizon by law cant do this anymore, AT@T is next on the FCC hit list. Verzion was forced to pay a 1.25 million dollar fine for trying to stop their tiered customers from teathering, turns out if you have a set data limit acording to the FFC you most certainly can teather, it's the unlimited folks that run into problems.

 

 

So if your teathering and getting a letter just tell AT@T your moving to verizon if they dont stop harrasing you, they will stop sending you letters and leave you be, they want your $2500 a contract. Remind them they are breaking FCC law by telling you how you can use your tiered data plan as long as they are leasing bandwith from uncle sam.

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Verizon by law cant do this anymore, AT@T is next on the FCC hit list. Verzion was forced to pay a 1.25 million dollar fine for trying to stop their tiered customers from teathering, turns out if you have a set data limit acording to the FFC you most certainly can teather, it's the unlimited folks that run into problems.

 

 

So if your teathering and getting a letter just tell AT@T your moving to verizon if they dont stop harrasing you, they will stop sending you letters and leave you be, they want your $2500 a contract. Remind them they are breaking FCC law by telling you how you can use your tiered data plan as long as they are leasing bandwith from uncle sam.


care to supply some documentation - as a business customer of both sprint and verizon in addition to att for mobile services we are still required to have the correct plan that allows tethering.

With verizon - it does not matter - they only supply 1 data plan, their mobile share plan anymore which does allow tethering, if you try to do this on the grandfathered unlimited plan, the plan can and will be changed.

 

Again, want to see the validated documentation of what you are claiming


fern420 wrote:

Verizon by law cant do this anymore, AT@T is next on the FCC hit list. Verzion was forced to pay a 1.25 million dollar fine for trying to stop their tiered customers from teathering, turns out if you have a set data limit acording to the FFC you most certainly can teather, it's the unlimited folks that run into problems.

 

 

So if your teathering and getting a letter just tell AT@T your moving to verizon if they dont stop harrasing you, they will stop sending you letters and leave you be, they want your $2500 a contract. Remind them they are breaking FCC law by telling you how you can use your tiered data plan as long as they are leasing bandwith from uncle sam.


care to supply some documentation - as a business customer of both sprint and verizon in addition to att for mobile services we are still required to have the correct plan that allows tethering.

With verizon - it does not matter - they only supply 1 data plan, their mobile share plan anymore which does allow tethering, if you try to do this on the grandfathered unlimited plan, the plan can and will be changed.

 

Again, want to see the validated documentation of what you are claiming

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Can the original poster clarify: did you tether your phone or not? It makes a big difference.

But as to question 3, yes, there IS a conspiracy to dump all the unlimited plans. ATT has declared war on you guys who still have it and will stop at nothing to get you off it.
Even if you win this round they will get you sooner or later.

@thepaulses if ATT sold gas it would work like this: You have to pay for 700 gallons at the beginning of the month, and at the end of the month, even if you have 690 gallons left, you have to buy another 700. For 2 years.
Can the original poster clarify: did you tether your phone or not? It makes a big difference.

But as to question 3, yes, there IS a conspiracy to dump all the unlimited plans. ATT has declared war on you guys who still have it and will stop at nothing to get you off it.
Even if you win this round they will get you sooner or later.

@thepaulses if ATT sold gas it would work like this: You have to pay for 700 gallons at the beginning of the month, and at the end of the month, even if you have 690 gallons left, you have to buy another 700. For 2 years.

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Can the original poster clarify: did you tether your phone or not? It makes a big difference.

But as to question 3, yes, there IS a conspiracy to dump all the unlimited plans. ATT has declared war on you guys who still have it and will stop at nothing to get you off it.
Even if you win this round they will get you sooner or later.

@thepaulses if ATT sold gas it would work like this: You have to pay for 700 gallons at the beginning of the month, and at the end of the month, even if you have 690 gallons left, you have to buy another 700. For 2 years.

conspiracy? more like a business decision to get rid of plans that are no logner available, just like verzizon is doing with their grandfathered unlimited plan or is that a conspiracy also by your definition?


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Can the original poster clarify: did you tether your phone or not? It makes a big difference.

But as to question 3, yes, there IS a conspiracy to dump all the unlimited plans. ATT has declared war on you guys who still have it and will stop at nothing to get you off it.
Even if you win this round they will get you sooner or later.

@thepaulses if ATT sold gas it would work like this: You have to pay for 700 gallons at the beginning of the month, and at the end of the month, even if you have 690 gallons left, you have to buy another 700. For 2 years.

conspiracy? more like a business decision to get rid of plans that are no logner available, just like verzizon is doing with their grandfathered unlimited plan or is that a conspiracy also by your definition?

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Yes.
Yes.

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They made a bad deal and now they are trying to get out of it.  At the time these data plans were first offered unlimited meant unlimited and it applied to all data whether streamed to the phone, tethered or otherwise.  The constant changed in terms of service and redefinitions aren't valid since they were never agreed to by the purchasers of the plan who are forced into multi-year contracts.  Users are bound to the original terms but ATT is not?  I don't think so. This type of behavior wraps up false advertising, breach of contract, unfair business practices and all sorts of violations together.  They are basically harassing anyone who attempts to actually USE their unlimited data plan.  Shameful. 

 

[Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].

They made a bad deal and now they are trying to get out of it.  At the time these data plans were first offered unlimited meant unlimited and it applied to all data whether streamed to the phone, tethered or otherwise.  The constant changed in terms of service and redefinitions aren't valid since they were never agreed to by the purchasers of the plan who are forced into multi-year contracts.  Users are bound to the original terms but ATT is not?  I don't think so. This type of behavior wraps up false advertising, breach of contract, unfair business practices and all sorts of violations together.  They are basically harassing anyone who attempts to actually USE their unlimited data plan.  Shameful. 

 

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Redstone wrote:

They made a bad deal and now they are trying to get out of it.  At the time these data plans were first offered unlimited meant unlimited and it applied to all data whether streamed to the phone, tethered or otherwise.  The constant changed in terms of service and redefinitions aren't valid since they were never agreed to by the purchasers of the plan who are forced into multi-year contracts.  Users are bound to the original terms but ATT is not?  I don't think so. This type of behavior wraps up false advertising, breach of contract, unfair business practices and all sorts of violations together.  They are basically harassing anyone who attempts to actually USE their unlimited data plan.  Shameful.  And actionable. 

 

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usless for a discontinued plan - add to the fact if you review the binding agreements (TOS & FUP) you made when you go the plan, it states unlimited data, not unlimited data at un-throttled speeds. Besides all that will do is hasten the sunset of the plan that I suspet will be coming very soon - after all Verizon has already sunsetted their grandfathered plans. Where exctly are they advertising "unlimited data"? Have not seen an advertisment for this since it was discontinuted a couple of years ago - time change, items are subject to change - by the way ATT IS holding you to the original terms, the FUP was in place when the plan was in affect, so you have nothing to stand on at all. Good luck.

All this is about is taking personal responsibility to control the amount of data that you utilize during the billing cycle, if you cannot do someone will.  If you want to remove the net nanny on your data usage and stop being throttled, control the data usage or att will


Redstone wrote:

They made a bad deal and now they are trying to get out of it.  At the time these data plans were first offered unlimited meant unlimited and it applied to all data whether streamed to the phone, tethered or otherwise.  The constant changed in terms of service and redefinitions aren't valid since they were never agreed to by the purchasers of the plan who are forced into multi-year contracts.  Users are bound to the original terms but ATT is not?  I don't think so. This type of behavior wraps up false advertising, breach of contract, unfair business practices and all sorts of violations together.  They are basically harassing anyone who attempts to actually USE their unlimited data plan.  Shameful.  And actionable. 

 

[Per Guidelines:  Keep it Relevant and Appropriate].


usless for a discontinued plan - add to the fact if you review the binding agreements (TOS & FUP) you made when you go the plan, it states unlimited data, not unlimited data at un-throttled speeds. Besides all that will do is hasten the sunset of the plan that I suspet will be coming very soon - after all Verizon has already sunsetted their grandfathered plans. Where exctly are they advertising "unlimited data"? Have not seen an advertisment for this since it was discontinuted a couple of years ago - time change, items are subject to change - by the way ATT IS holding you to the original terms, the FUP was in place when the plan was in affect, so you have nothing to stand on at all. Good luck.

All this is about is taking personal responsibility to control the amount of data that you utilize during the billing cycle, if you cannot do someone will.  If you want to remove the net nanny on your data usage and stop being throttled, control the data usage or att will

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Verizon hasn't actually ended their unlimited data plans. However, if you want to keep your original unlimited data plan they will not allow you to take advantage of a subsidy. AT&T took a different approach and just throttles data after a certain point on their old unlimited plans--so I'm not sure its necessary for them to simply end the old plans. Perhaps they will remove the subsidy as well at some point, but then again their is talk of all national carriers ending subsidies for everyone so maybe it won't make a difference.
Verizon hasn't actually ended their unlimited data plans. However, if you want to keep your original unlimited data plan they will not allow you to take advantage of a subsidy. AT&T took a different approach and just throttles data after a certain point on their old unlimited plans--so I'm not sure its necessary for them to simply end the old plans. Perhaps they will remove the subsidy as well at some point, but then again their is talk of all national carriers ending subsidies for everyone so maybe it won't make a difference.

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