FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only!

Professor

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only! Customers are NOT happy

1.  Not every user is ready to eat massive ETF's

2.  Verizon's numbers are doing better than AT&T's numbers for new adds

3.  Verizon/Sprint have had only low end EVDO (3/1Mbps max) data service on their iPhones, while AT&T has up to 14Mbps... I suspect the Verizon will be eating AT&T's lunch with an LTE iPhone and no (seemly endless) 'feature adds fees' that AT&T is extorting.

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Expert

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only!


formercanuck wrote:

If AT&T is blocking ports to applications, then there is a HUGE issue.

Unless Apple is using a specific port/protocol that AT&T can sniff out, then they are in violation of blocking / filtering access to what could be other applications.

Also, for those that know better, you can tunnel any protocol over SSH and be immune to AT&T's sniffers/port block.


why is it a "huge issue"? Carriers and broadband providers do it all the time, it is totally within their rights.

 

What I am going ot find indertesting is watching the posts when it does become available and people find out just how much celluar data allocation facetime will eat up. A test from awhile ago on a JB'd pair of iphone 4 used to do a test of cellular data usages showed that a 5 minute face time converstaion used up 14.7MB, so just about 3MB per minute, which will kill the 300 MB in just a little over an hour

 

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Expert

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only! Customers are NOT happy


formercanuck wrote:

Or just as important, what is more important to them... a carrier that is implementing pay to play or a carrier that isn't filtering out functionality or vendor applications until the customer pays an extra monthly fee.


not sure how you get pay to play out of the simple fact that att is limited it to a new data plan and not retrofitting it to the others, that are not going to take on any additional charges for this "feature" Verizon did the same thing - they just eliminated all other plans and sunsetted the unlimited plan by requiring people that want to retain to to pay full retail price for the phone, no subsidized allowed.

Message 81 of 212
Scholar

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only!


wingrider01 wrote:

anton697 wrote:

21stNow wrote:

I think that it is another "enticement" to get unlimited data users to switch to Mobile Share or otherwise give up their unlimited data plans.


Note that tiered data plan users who choose not to switch to a Mobile Share plan wouldn't be able or allowed to use Facetime over cellular as well, so this restriction isn't going to affect just unlimited data plan users.

 


wingrider01 wrote:

fredflyer wrote:

I think it's total crap.  It is completely another attempt to frustrate those of us that still have Unlimited Data plans to switch.  I barely exceed 1GB/mo having my Unlimited Domestic & International Data.  I simply do not use that much.  So, to add this restriction is manipulation.

 

[Edited to comply with Guidelines]


get used to it, the unlimited plan is grandfathered, there will be absolutely no additional functionality added to it. Was actually suprised they did ot sunset it like verizon is doing when they offered shared data plans here.

 

Never had a need for Facetime anyway - it is way to limited, use Cisco Jabber and it is light years ahead of facetime


 Another alternative--whether you're a fan of it or not--is Skype.

 

In any case--whether people agree with it or not, bottom line is that AT&T is doing this (Facetime over cellular only for Mobile Share users) simply to generate more profit by "enticing" folks to switch over to a Mobile Share plan; yes I know I'm speaking the obvious, but I mention it just in case some AT&T shill claims that AT&T is doing this primarily to control bandwidth issues.  Nothing could be further from the truth--if that were the case, then why the change from original 2 GB tiered data plan to 3 GB one?  If bandwidth and/or excessive data consumption was the main concern, then it makes no sense to get rid of a 2 GB tiered plan and replace it with a higher-bucket one...no?

 

LOL at folks who continue to say that there's really no reason to jailbreak an iPhone--as long as wireless carriers continue to pull stuff like this, there will always be a need for stuff like jailbreaking to get around such limitations/restrictions.  I'm not saying that I agree with it one way or the other, but just calling it like it is.

 

Slight tangent:  I dunno what's lamer--Apple for making the Find My iPhone feature no longer work on any iPhone not running at least iOS5 (really stupid if you ask me, as they previously had no problem allowing it to work on any iPhone--other than perhaps the 1st-gen iPhone--running at least iOS 4.2.x), or (for the moment) AT&T and Verizon for limiting the options in order for customers to use Facetime over cellular?

 


so you are claiming that if you jailbreak your phone, you can get around the limitation of no carrier usage of facetime? Suspec that even if it is jailbroke that application

1. will not work becasue of blocked ports on all except the new shared plans

2. will be detected by the carrier and a force change will be made to the shared plan to being the phone into terms compliance

 

no thanks, tried dkype and found it distinctly lacking in a lot of areas.


No I did not "claim" (you really should proof-read other peoples' post before make such unwarranted statements) that jailbreaking will get around the (current) limitation of no Facetime over celluar, only that it's (partially) because of carrier-imposed restrictions and limitations such as what AT&T will do with Facetime is why stuff like jailbreaking exist--i.e., I was not referring specifically about Facetime but rather, using it as an example to offer my opinion.

 

But to address your comments about what would happen if someone were to get around the Facetime limitation via jailbreaking--#2 is indeed a possibility but not so much on #1, at least not the way AT&T is currently going about it--if that were the case, it would be impossible to implement tethering hacks that are currently available with a jailbroken iPhone.  As it is, it is currently possible to tether on a(n) jailbroken iPhone without adding the tethering plan--yes you may/will get caught but that implies that there is a way to get tethering to work without subscribing to the tethering plan; if AT&T could implement #1 for Facetime, then surely they could/would have already done something similar with the tethering option...but they haven't.  Why do you think that is?

 

Re: Skype--I didn't ask for your personal opinion on whether you liked Skype...all I said was that it was an alternative, regardless of whether you like it or not; your personal opinion of Skype doesn't change that fact.

 

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Scholar

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only! Customers are NOT happy


formercanuck wrote:

What's next ?  The 'new' Maps feature (to be removed on next iOS) is going to also require migration to a new data plan because it didn't exist in the current iPhone ?

 



 

LOL I'm sure AT&T has already thought about that...but while we're at it, let's see what else AT&T could do to push customers over to the new Shared Plans:

 

1) Require that customers who currently have Family unlimited text plan to switch to one of the Shared Plans in order to keep the Family unlimited text plan feature;  obviously they can't remove it directly from an active account but they can make it so that they can "push" such account holders towards the Shared plans, similar to what they're trying to do to "persuade" unlimited data plan users to switch over to one of the tiered data or Shared Plans.

 

2) Restrict usage of any and all video-streaming apps over cellular to those subscribed to a Shared Plan; after all, they're going to do it with Facetime--why stop there?   I was gonna mention Youtube but IIRC Apple plans to remove the Youtube app from iOS6--however, I would not put it past AT&T to put some kind of restriction on Youtube for those folks not on iOS6 or higher.  Granted AT&T would have a hard time to implement such a restriction on third-party apps such as Netflix...not unless AT&T does indeed have a lot of stroke with Apple in determining what apps are allowed to be available in the iTunes App Store, contrary to what some of the AT&T shills want you to believe otherwise.

 

3) Eliminate the current tethering plan and offer it only on Shared Plans.

 

4) Once AT&T sees that many of the folks who decide not to go with the Shared Plan option because they can just take advantage of (free) Wifi hotspots, thus leading to lower-than-desired/expected revenue and/or profit...they will restrict free access to AT&T Wifi hotspots only to those on one of their Shared Plans.

 

And no, these are not my original ideas--I'm sure many an AT&T bean counter has thought about these ideas many times over.

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ACE - Master

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only! Customers are NOT happy

Here is the actual statement released by AT&T: "AT&T will offer FaceTime over Cellular as an added benefit of our new Mobile Share data plans, which were created to meet customers’ growing data needs at a great value. With Mobile Share, the more data you use, the more you save. FaceTime will continue to be available over Wi-Fi for all our customers."

 

Just want to point out that nowhere in this statement does it say that "only" mobile share plans will support Facetime over cellular nor does it state that FaceTime over cellular will be blocked or disallowed on other data plans. If you remember, several weeks ago many were speculating that AT&T was planning to charge extra for FaceTime over cellular. The above statement only verifies that Facetime over cellular will not incur any extra charge for those on a shared mobile plan. What happens on other data plans could still be anything from not allowed to additional charge to fully supported at no extra charge. Unless a more definitive statement is released, we won't really know until iOS 6 is released.

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Professor

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only! Customers are NOT happy

That would be similar to state that my 'app' (call it A) didn't exist before, and now that it exists, free from the vendor, with a software upgrade, AT&T wants me to pay twice for it....

1.  Data being used (that's part of all current data plans)

2.  Pay to be pushed into a more expensive shared data plan with unlimited voice/sms.

 

What if I only wanted a raw data - no voice plan and have nobody / no devices to share it with ?

AT&T is attempting at all costs to recoup costs on iPhones, which is understandable, but AT&T's push to pay-to-play for an application (which they don't own) is unacceptable.

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Professor

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only! Customers are NOT happy

AT&T 'could' reap the benefits of data overage as well... but they've chosen to keep their users on WiFi for FaceTime or eat many more $$$ / month for the benefit of sharing a smaller data plan.

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Professor

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only!

Typically, ports/applications are blocked that are

 

a) Server based (eg. I'm not running a web server) or SMTP relay

b) Typical file based SMB, NetBios, SNMP

These are actually listed in AT&T's ToS.

I don't see where FaceTime, an application that is supported by the vendor that AT&T is selling as a standard feature is listed as being port blocked unless you pay more.

 

Why do you care what people use ?  Some people may use their device for Facebook, some may use it for Twitter/SMS,Email, and some may use it for YouTube.

AT&T sends them alerts if/when they are hitting their limits.

 

With AT&T blocking FaceTime, what is them to stop users from using the replacement of Google Maps or Youtube when it comes available unless they pay more.  This is a slippery slope.

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Professor

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only! Customers are NOT happy


sandblaster wrote:

Here is the actual statement released by AT&T: "AT&T will offer FaceTime over Cellular as an added benefit of our new Mobile Share data plans, which were created to meet customers’ growing data needs at a great value. With Mobile Share, the more data you use, the more you save. FaceTime will continue to be available over Wi-Fi for all our customers."

 

Just want to point out that nowhere in this statement does it say that "only" mobile share plans will support Facetime over cellular nor does it state that FaceTime over cellular will be blocked or disallowed on other data plans. If you remember, several weeks ago many were speculating that AT&T was planning to charge extra for FaceTime over cellular. The above statement only verifies that Facetime over cellular will not incur any extra charge for those on a shared mobile plan. What happens on other data plans could still be anything from not allowed to additional charge to fully supported at no extra charge. Unless a more definitive statement is released, we won't really know until iOS 6 is released.


I still read it that the only way that FaceTime will be available over cellular is with Mobile Share.  There are no other cellular data alternatives given in that statement, just the availability of Wi-fi.  Also, with this thread and other posts like it, if AT&T were going to offer it to other customers, I would think that they would have responded by now.

 

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Scholar

Unlimited plan untill iPhone 5 will come up

They will take unlimited plan anyway when iPhone 5 will come up and if you will do upgrade they will switch you to limited plan.

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Teacher

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only!

As I was saying...

 

From USA TODAY:

AT&T's limit of FaceTime may violate rules

http://usat.ly/TRXWpC

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Expert

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only!


fredflyer wrote:

As I was saying...

 

From USA TODAY:

AT&T's limit of FaceTime may violate rules

http://usat.ly/TRXWpC


key word is MIGHT, it is all speculation based on what appears to be a misconception - att is not charging to use facetime, they are limiting it to the new shared data plans, no different then them limiting tethering to the crrent 50.00 a month 5gb plan.

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Master

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only!


wingrider01 wrote:

fredflyer wrote:

As I was saying...

 

From USA TODAY:

AT&T's limit of FaceTime may violate rules

http://usat.ly/TRXWpC


key word is MIGHT, it is all speculation based on what appears to be a misconception - att is not charging to use facetime, they are limiting it to the new shared data plans, no different then them limiting tethering to the crrent 50.00 a month 5gb plan.


Why try to defend this?  Facetime over wireless is no different than video skype just that one app is Apple and one is from Microsoft!  This is a bad call on ATT's part!  

 

 

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Message 94 of 212
Professor

Re: FaceTime Over Cellular Data with Mobile Share Only!

this is different than blocking tethering.

1.  Tethering was never allowed on devices... Regardless on white smartphone/dumbphone you had.  PAM was required to 'share' data.  I personally disliked the idea, as i paid for the data.

2.  This is limiting a specific app on one OS, while not performing the same to its equivalent.  Kind like saying you can share data all you want using this app, provided by Microsoft, but not the one provided by Apple unless you buy a shared data plan.

3. Are those on laptop only plans also banned from FaceTime on their laptops?

 

What's next?  I need a YouTube and Facebook plan?

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