so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

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so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

 

while i am greatfull for these boards and the help i have recieved, i have so many problems and the help around here is sometimes slow and sometimes my questions just get overlooked and the people i speak with at 611 barely understand the simple phones let alone these wm devices. 

 

i dont feel like i should have to hack it to just get things to work and it looks like if i was to flash a cooked rom i will be trading att desgned problems for hacker problems.

 

 

when was the last time you wanted to show off your cool htc/wm phone to a friend and it locked up or hanged during the demonstration? i dont even bother to show off my wm devices anymore..... 

 

i am tired of all the wm problems, i have been struggling with them since the days of the 8125 and with each new phone and os update i have had my fingers crossed hoping that "they" get it right....and they never do, or maybe its better but they add more crap and  other problems....

 

a bunch of my old apps arent compatible due who knows why, maybe the new os, maybe the bigger screen. i have general issues with getting online, then on top of that the built in opera sometimes wont connect with ie and skyfire will. these are  just  a few of my problems

 

i really dont where to turn for help, and i really just want a device that works.

 

basicaly i am unsatisfied, history has taught me that waiting for the problems to go away isnt going to pay off, should i exchange the phone for the exact same thing or return it and go for something else. i dont know much about the iphone but it seems to just work, should i go for one of those?

 

it cant be me, surely you folks here are also having issues right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Message Edited by potna on 12-27-2009 08:21:51 PM
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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

I agree that the iPhone has its weaknesses; that's why I don't have one.

 

As for tethering... Well, I can do that with my Tilt 2, but it's dog-slow thanks to the phone's apparently crippled data speeds.

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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?


ParrotHead_FL wrote:

As for tethering... Well, I can do that with my Tilt 2, but it's dog-slow thanks to the phone's apparently crippled data speeds.


Are you using BT (which will be slower) or a direct cable connection?

 

I haven't seen anything about the phone itself (mine, anyway) crippling data speeds, though some parts of AT&T's network are obviously overloaded.  Some believe they are getting better speeds through the phone with registry tweaks.

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ParrotHead_FL wrote:

The Tile 2 is a nice phone, but neither the hardware nor the software could be described as cutting-edge.

 

The iPhone most certainly was cutting-edge when it came out. By "cutting-edge" I mean that it did things other phones didn't do (or did them in a way that other phones didn't). That's why it became so popular, and that's why it's the phone other companies are trying to emulate.


there was nothing and i mean nothing that an iphone did feature wise that an 8525 or a first gen tilt couldn't do.  especially a 2g iphone.  the iphone had a better user interface and that was it.  and better is subjective.  i am quite familiar with winmo so the ease of use of an iphone interface was not a selling point for me.

 

there was nothing cutting about the iphone.  many phones did what an iphone did before it was introduced.  the only cutting edge part was the marketing.  many of the 'advanced' features of the phone were introduced to people that didn't know phones could do such things.  but even an 8125 could do what a 2g iphone could do.  and in some cases more.  (mms, copy and paste, etc....)

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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?


ParrotHead_FL wrote:

I agree that the iPhone has its weaknesses; that's why I don't have one.

 

As for tethering... Well, I can do that with my Tilt 2, but it's dog-slow thanks to the phone's apparently crippled data speeds.


 

did you take a look at the registry tweaks i posted earlier in this thread?  i get great speeds on my tilt 2 tethered or not.  i average between 1.5-2 megs down.
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gammite wrote:

 

there was nothing and i mean nothing that an iphone did feature wise that an 8525 or a first gen tilt couldn't do.  especially a 2g iphone.  the iphone had a better user interface and that was it.  and better is subjective.  i am quite familiar with winmo so the ease of use of an iphone interface was not a selling point for me.

 

there was nothing cutting about the iphone.  many phones did what an iphone did before it was introduced.  the only cutting edge part was the marketing.  many of the 'advanced' features of the phone were introduced to people that didn't know phones could do such things.  but even an 8125 could do what a 2g iphone could do.  and in some cases more.  (mms, copy and paste, etc....)


 

The iPhone presented an application marketplace that quickly excelled beyond anything any other phone was providing, its physical design caused it to stand out from its peers, and its user interface (including the multitouch screen, which neither the Tilt nor Tilt 2 has) is most certainly easier to use than WinMo (even with TouchFLO). It may not be your phone of choice--it's not mine, either--but it clearly offered something that millions of users were looking for.

 

Go up to the average Joe on the street and has him if he has heard of an HTC Tilt 2. The odds are good he hasn't. But ask if he has heard of an iPhone, and you'll almost certainly get an affirmative response. While the iPhone isn't best for everyone (including me), its popularity isn't a random event.

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gammite wrote:

 

 

did you take a look at the registry tweaks i posted earlier in this thread?  i get great speeds on my tilt 2 tethered or not.  i average between 1.5-2 megs down.


 

I did implement those, but I haven't been back in a 3G area to test them. It looks like those tweaks haven't worked for everyone, although to be fair they could be implementing them incorrectly. I find it strange that we should have to tweak our phones at all to get them working at full-speed. Also, on our EDGE network I find the iPhone to be much faster surfing the web (a couple of co-workers have them, and browsing the web is virtually always a better experience on their phones than mine).

 

Also, I've found my phone to be quite slow even over WiFi. I've seen reports online from others experiencing the same thing.

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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

My wife just got an iPhone 3Gs just before the holidays.  I was curious about the "faster" browsing speed that everyone keeps pointing out.  Frankly, I don't get it. I compared the two in both the Chicago and Boston 3G markets while travelling for the holidays.  Now, it was pretty unscientific, and casual comparison.  I didn't start them at the exact same time to see which would finish first, and I didn't have a stopwatch.  But I just counted the seconds to myself while downloading the same webpage (non-WAP) at the same location, one briefly after the other.  There was little, if any discernible difference. 

 

This is using the built-in Opera browser, and the 3G "fix" not applied (still totally skeptical that it does anything at all).  I also think its interesting that some Tilt2 owners say that IE is faster than Opera.  IE runs snail slow on my Tilt2, to the point that its practically unusable.  The browsing experience on Opera is pretty pleasurable.

 

Perhaps there are some individual differences or glitches on the Tilt 2 (which really shouldn't exist in a polished product).  But my impression, that the browsing speed on the Tilt 2 running properly does not appear to be significantly slower than on the iPhone.  At least not "much" slower as some people say.

 

Now I've played with my friends iPhones from time to time, for a while now.  But its different now that my wife has one, and I can fool around with it almost whenever I want (unless she is playing Scrabble,lol).  After having the Tilt2 for a while, and reading all the comments about the slow browsing, I was prepared to be blown away by Safari.  It hasn't happened. The re-rendering when you zoom in and out is indeed faster and smoother.  But I'm still curious about the actual data connection difference, if there is any.  I'll have to do some more scientific side-by-side comparisons.

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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

OK.. I've read how some of you have tweaked your registery and your memory.  I'm bascially a novice at that.  Will I like the phone (right out of the packaging) without having all the knowledge that all of you have? 

 

I was debating between the Fuze (a small store in my area still has it) and the Tilt 2. I like both because they have an FM radio, but the Fuze has a camera flash and navigation keys. But, the Tilt 2 has Windows Mobile 6.5 installed. I have read several articles stating that an upgrade can/cannot be applied to Windows Mobile 6.1.

At one pont,

 

I was  interested in the Droid ERIS(as I am a Verizon customer) but I want a slide out keyboard and radio. I'm willing to switch to AT&T for those features.

 

Any opinions out there?

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

I've done a fair amount of registry tweaks to my Tilt2.  But I'd say the majority of them are just to tweak the phone the way I like it, not mandatory performance adjustments.  And that option of tweaking is one of the reasons WHY I bought a Windows Mobile phone, as opposed to the less customizable, closed-platform iPhone.

 

That said, the amount of customization and tweaking at your disposal may be intimidating, and not for everyone.  Some people like to be told how there phone is going to work and look, right out of the box, and never mess with it.  If that is the case with you, than Windows Mobile might not be the right platform.

 

I would also caution against switching carriers based solely on a device.   Pick your carrier based on the reception in your area (ask friends, etc. if you haven't already).  It looks like you are in Brooklyn based on your nickname, and I've read ATT data service is aweful in NYC.  There was a moritorium on selling iPhones in NYC over Christmas weekend.  And some rumors were claiming ATT was afraid of burdening their already struggling data network in NYC with a flood of new iPhones.  A friend used Sprint in NYC, and had good service.  But then she moved to Boston, and it was terrible (didn't even have cell service at her house).

 

 

I've had the Tilt2 since October, and have the following observations:

 

Screen is big and gorgeous.  Touchscreen is very responsive.  Hardware keyboard is big and feels great, very easy to type on.

 

Camera is an improvement over the old Tilt, and I'm pretty happy with it (for a phone).  Many have complained that the megapixels are the same, and therefore not an upgrade.  But the image quality and clarity are much better.  Low-light photos are much better than the iPhone can handle.  I personally hate the look of photos taken with a small camera equpped with a flash (overexposes and washes out the subject, background looks too dark), so I doubt a cell phone with a flash would be to my liking.

 

Speakerphone is awesome.  Probably the best you will find on a cell phone.  The ability to conference multiple callers, plus the feature of automatically switching to speakerphone when you lay the phone on its face (including hardware mute button!) is awesome if you find yourself using your phone frequently for work calls, etc. (like I do).

 

I've already commented on the browsing speed in the post above.  Browsing is fast and pleasurable.  Zoom bar is comparable to the "pinch/pull" mechanic on the iPhone, and I don't feel like I'm missing out on that feature.

 

Built-in music player works well, and music sounds great.  mp4 video is supported out of the box.  Other formats (AVI) require 3rd party software.  And playback quality is sometimes an issue with high-res content.  Haven't tried my videos on the iPhone yet.  But AVIs on the Tilt2 using CorePlayer took lots of tweaking, and framerate is still not great.

 

Lack of 3.5mm headphone jack is still annoying.  I know this topic has been beaten to death on HTC phones.  And some people maintain the adapter is no big deal.  But I've been on business trips where I forgot my adapter, and I was out of luck.  Or maybe you will be in a friends car, and you want to hook up your phone to his stereo via the Audio In jack, and you can't because you don't carry an adapter around with you everywhere you go.

 

WM can still be a bit glitchy.  WM6.5 is a big improvement over past versions, IMO.  Many menus are finger friendly, and utilize the touch screen in useful, iPhone-like ways.  But the phone can still lag or freeze at times.  I need to reboot my phone maybe a couple times a week due to it freezing up, or otherwise acting strangely.

 

 

Message Edited by redpoint73 on 01-05-2010 09:25:44 AM
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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

Thanks Redpoint73.

 

Yes, I am from Brooklyn, Friends of mine (who live in NYC and Boston) do have AT&T wireless and hardly experience any service problems. One friend does have an iPhone and every now and then experiences some delayed loading of Web site.

 

I will consider your points.  I have looked at phones sold by Verizon, and I still would prefer the features found in the Tilt 2. I also like the fact that AT&T offers the "rollover minutes" whereas Verizon does not.  

 

I agree the lack of a 3.5mm headphone jack can be annoying.

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I don't own a Tilt, yet.

 

I do have a Motorola Q9h Global.

 

I find closing apps from the Task Manager keps the phone working smoothly.

 

BUT - What really made my phone stable was buying a cheap application from Active Kitten called Chronos. It is a clock/alarm software and allows me to set up highly configurable alarms, as many as I want.

 

WAIT - Don't shut me out just yet. Hear me out. Chronos also has functions for the alarms you can automate. Mine puts the phone in "Flight Mode" at 10:00PM and turns off flight mode at 6:05AM just after the alarm wakes me at 6:00AM.

 

THEN, I have an alarm ste in it for 6:10AM and it performs a "Soft Reset" automatically. Since I have that automated I have not had any lockup issues from WinMo6.1 like you folks are complaining about.

 

My opinion of the Chronos software is tops!

 

Might try it out and see if the automated soft reset works under WinMo6.5 and cures your issues...

 

Oh, and let me know if it does!  I am considering a Tilt2 for my next business phone.

Message Edited by dwmitchell61 on 01-05-2010 08:48:57 PM
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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

Very clever solution! Kudos to you.

 

But is is the kind of kludgy fix that drives me absolutely nuts. You shouldn't have to jump through such hoops to keep your phone working smoothly.

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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

Okay, whatever... I bought it for the unlimited number of highly programmable alarms. I just found that the soft reset in the morning all automated with "fire and forget" wasn't all that kludgy, myself.

 

I have alarms for my break times when I am at work, separate alarms programmed for the one day a week I commute in, alarm for when I get off shift and for lunch break (since I used to work late into the lunch hour without the notification).

 

If you feel manual rebooting and removing & replacing the battery is less kludgy, stick with it.

 

(No unauthorized solicitation per guidelines)

 

Man Happy

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I think your method is great. My point is just that it's asinine for our phones to require such tricks in order to work like they should.
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Re: so how many of you new tilt 2 owners are satisfied with your device?

Smartphones need tweaking. Sometimes you get a lemon. 

 

I have a friend who has a Driod.  He has lots of software problems with it.  More important, it drops calls.  The iphone and Blackberries seem a little more stable, maybe because the hardware isn't contracted out to numerous companies.  But I know some iphone users who have had problems.  I know someone else who returned her palm pre because she didn't have the patience to learn to make a call.  Now the new Google phone is the new superphone - but I don't see much difference between it and my tilt 2. 

 

Basically, smartphones are at the level that computers were fifteen years ago.  They will get faster, more user friendly, and more stable.  None of them are there yet.  80% of cell phone users don't have smartphones, and they can do messaging and make phone calls (70% of what my phone does) as well as my phone can.

 

 

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