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Unlocking / Rooting / s-off the HTC Vivid

As some of you may already know, the HTC CEO placed an announcement on the HTC Facebook page back in May 2011, that all their future phones would be unlocked. However, the Vivid IS locked and apparently AT&T is stating it's an HTC problem and HTC is blaming AT&T. Regardless, I do not like being forced to use Google / HTC apps and I would like them permanently removed, along with the ability to install the applications I really want. Since Android is based on Linux, which is open sourced, locking these phones makes it impossible to configure the Vivid as needed. If anyone finds that the Vivid does finally get the ability to be unlocked, I would appreciate a response to this. I am strongly considering returning the Vivid if there is no fix for this before the 30 day time limit.

As some of you may already know, the HTC CEO placed an announcement on the HTC Facebook page back in May 2011, that all their future phones would be unlocked. However, the Vivid IS locked and apparently AT&T is stating it's an HTC problem and HTC is blaming AT&T. Regardless, I do not like being forced to use Google / HTC apps and I would like them permanently removed, along with the ability to install the applications I really want. Since Android is based on Linux, which is open sourced, locking these phones makes it impossible to configure the Vivid as needed. If anyone finds that the Vivid does finally get the ability to be unlocked, I would appreciate a response to this. I am strongly considering returning the Vivid if there is no fix for this before the 30 day time limit.

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Keep an eye on the xda-developers HTC Vivid Forum.  It's being worked on.

Keep an eye on the xda-developers HTC Vivid Forum.  It's being worked on.

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Nothing in your post has anything to do with unlocking of the device. 

Unlocked simply means the device is not locked to any carrier, it has nothing to do with the apps installed or the users ability  to remove them.

Nothing in your post has anything to do with unlocking of the device. 

Unlocked simply means the device is not locked to any carrier, it has nothing to do with the apps installed or the users ability  to remove them.

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Ryan_ATL,

You must be a noobie, because it absolutely has to do with unlocking the device. The post is about s-off, which means unlocked hboot bootloader, which means unlocking the device eMMC NAND chip, which is the only way to permanently root the device.
Ryan_ATL,

You must be a noobie, because it absolutely has to do with unlocking the device. The post is about s-off, which means unlocked hboot bootloader, which means unlocking the device eMMC NAND chip, which is the only way to permanently root the device.

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It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.

The Vivid is a great device that won't do half of the sales it should because of this lock debacle.

They have to know that the mod forums become heros and they end up looking bad because everyone reads about the disappointment in the developer communities and then decide to stay at tmobile, or buy the device online from another seller.
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.

The Vivid is a great device that won't do half of the sales it should because of this lock debacle.

They have to know that the mod forums become heros and they end up looking bad because everyone reads about the disappointment in the developer communities and then decide to stay at tmobile, or buy the device online from another seller.

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Edited by DUTCH VanAtlanta on Nov 21, 2011 at 4:02:06 AM

gsleon3 wrote:
Ryan_ATL,

You must be a noobie, because it absolutely has to do with unlocking the device. The post is about s-off, which means unlocked hboot bootloader, which means unlocking the device eMMC NAND chip, which is the only way to permanently root the device.

In all fairness to the previous poster, there are two kinds of unlocking on these phones.  There's the SIM card unlock, which allows one to use SIM cards from other GSM carriers.  Then there's the bootloader unlock, which is what the OP was referring to.

 

I, too, would love to get rid of the bloat on this phone; and am waiting for positive results to be posted at xda-developers.


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Ryan_ATL,

You must be a noobie, because it absolutely has to do with unlocking the device. The post is about s-off, which means unlocked hboot bootloader, which means unlocking the device eMMC NAND chip, which is the only way to permanently root the device.

In all fairness to the previous poster, there are two kinds of unlocking on these phones.  There's the SIM card unlock, which allows one to use SIM cards from other GSM carriers.  Then there's the bootloader unlock, which is what the OP was referring to.

 

I, too, would love to get rid of the bloat on this phone; and am waiting for positive results to be posted at xda-developers.

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gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.

The Vivid is a great device that won't do half of the sales it should because of this lock debacle.

They have to know that the mod forums become heros and they end up looking bad because everyone reads about the disappointment in the developer communities and then decide to stay at tmobile, or buy the device online from another seller.

Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.

The Vivid is a great device that won't do half of the sales it should because of this lock debacle.

They have to know that the mod forums become heros and they end up looking bad because everyone reads about the disappointment in the developer communities and then decide to stay at tmobile, or buy the device online from another seller.

Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?

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wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.

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junkstuff wrote:

Regardless, I do not like being forced to use Google / HTC apps and I would like them permanently removed, along with the ability to install the applications I really want. Since Android is based on Linux, which is open sourced, locking these phones makes it impossible to configure the Vivid as needed.


What Google apps are you trying to remove?  If you are talking about the requirement to have a Google login to use the phone, bootloader/NAND unlock and rooting is not going to fix that.  Plus, many Google services are embedded into the OS, so removing them can cause you some problems.  Same thing with some of the HTC apps.   They are part of the Sense framework, and removing some of them can break other things in the interface.  Although, some can be removed safely once you have root.  What Google or HTC apps are so offensive? 

 

 


junkstuff wrote:

Regardless, I do not like being forced to use Google / HTC apps and I would like them permanently removed, along with the ability to install the applications I really want. Since Android is based on Linux, which is open sourced, locking these phones makes it impossible to configure the Vivid as needed.


What Google apps are you trying to remove?  If you are talking about the requirement to have a Google login to use the phone, bootloader/NAND unlock and rooting is not going to fix that.  Plus, many Google services are embedded into the OS, so removing them can cause you some problems.  Same thing with some of the HTC apps.   They are part of the Sense framework, and removing some of them can break other things in the interface.  Although, some can be removed safely once you have root.  What Google or HTC apps are so offensive? 

 

 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.

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junkstuff wrote:

Regardless, I do not like being forced to use Google / HTC apps and I would like them permanently removed, along with the ability to install the applications I really want. Since Android is based on Linux, which is open sourced, locking these phones makes it impossible to configure the Vivid as needed.


What Google apps are you trying to remove?  If you are talking about the requirement to have a Google login to use the phone, bootloader/NAND unlock and rooting is not going to fix that.  Plus, many Google services are embedded into the OS, so removing them can cause you some problems.  Same thing with some of the HTC apps.   They are part of the Sense framework, and removing some of them can break other things in the interface.  Although, some can be removed safely once you have root.  What Google or HTC apps are so offensive? 

 

 


Actually Google recently released Android ICS code, so I'm pretty well versed with what is and is not necessary to make the phone run. Getting into a conversation about what my personal needs are with the phone is a pretty subjective subject. Let's just say that as I said before, I cannot configure the phone properly with the O.S. locked and neither can anyone else. I've been a member of xda-developers for many years and in development of both software / hardware since around 1984, so I do have at least some experience in this arena. IMHO, forcing folks to use stock apps with out the ability to remove them, or replace them with a better app is not a good thing. Locking the phone wastes valuable time and prevents folks from configuring the Vivid properly according to one's needs. Your needs and views are probably different and I respect that. Myself and I think many others from what I've read, would rather have full use of the phone, and to do that we need the ability to Root and s-off the phone.

 


redpoint73 wrote:

junkstuff wrote:

Regardless, I do not like being forced to use Google / HTC apps and I would like them permanently removed, along with the ability to install the applications I really want. Since Android is based on Linux, which is open sourced, locking these phones makes it impossible to configure the Vivid as needed.


What Google apps are you trying to remove?  If you are talking about the requirement to have a Google login to use the phone, bootloader/NAND unlock and rooting is not going to fix that.  Plus, many Google services are embedded into the OS, so removing them can cause you some problems.  Same thing with some of the HTC apps.   They are part of the Sense framework, and removing some of them can break other things in the interface.  Although, some can be removed safely once you have root.  What Google or HTC apps are so offensive? 

 

 


Actually Google recently released Android ICS code, so I'm pretty well versed with what is and is not necessary to make the phone run. Getting into a conversation about what my personal needs are with the phone is a pretty subjective subject. Let's just say that as I said before, I cannot configure the phone properly with the O.S. locked and neither can anyone else. I've been a member of xda-developers for many years and in development of both software / hardware since around 1984, so I do have at least some experience in this arena. IMHO, forcing folks to use stock apps with out the ability to remove them, or replace them with a better app is not a good thing. Locking the phone wastes valuable time and prevents folks from configuring the Vivid properly according to one's needs. Your needs and views are probably different and I respect that. Myself and I think many others from what I've read, would rather have full use of the phone, and to do that we need the ability to Root and s-off the phone.

 

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Unaware of your experience, I'm pretty sure redpoint was just giving the cautious approach, considering the amount of noobs that could mess up their phone. And if you have been around XDA as long as you state, you know what I mean. Forcing people to root just to uninstall unwanted apps is ridiculous on the carriers and manufacturers part. I have rooted for this and other reasons as well. Currently on my rooted Inspire, I am running Gingerbread 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0, which just blows away the buggy 2.3.3 with Sense 2.1 stock rom. I will not consider upgrading to the Vivid until the bootloader is unlocked and it is s-off and rooted.
Unaware of your experience, I'm pretty sure redpoint was just giving the cautious approach, considering the amount of noobs that could mess up their phone. And if you have been around XDA as long as you state, you know what I mean. Forcing people to root just to uninstall unwanted apps is ridiculous on the carriers and manufacturers part. I have rooted for this and other reasons as well. Currently on my rooted Inspire, I am running Gingerbread 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0, which just blows away the buggy 2.3.3 with Sense 2.1 stock rom. I will not consider upgrading to the Vivid until the bootloader is unlocked and it is s-off and rooted.

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sitnsidewayz wrote:
Unaware of your experience, I'm pretty sure redpoint was just giving the cautious approach, considering the amount of noobs that could mess up their phone. And if you have been around XDA as long as you state, you know what I mean. Forcing people to root just to uninstall unwanted apps is ridiculous on the carriers and manufacturers part. I have rooted for this and other reasons as well. Currently on my rooted Inspire, I am running Gingerbread 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0, which just blows away the buggy 2.3.3 with Sense 2.1 stock rom. I will not consider upgrading to the Vivid until the bootloader is unlocked and it is s-off and rooted.

I can and do appreciate redpoint's cautiousness and the bricking issue. I envy your Inspire's unlockedness as well and probably should have waited with the Vivid, if it were not for HTC's Presidential post on Facebook. Perhaps they will come through, or perhaps GSLEON3, or one of the others will collect the bounty.  Your words all true. Smiley Happy


sitnsidewayz wrote:
Unaware of your experience, I'm pretty sure redpoint was just giving the cautious approach, considering the amount of noobs that could mess up their phone. And if you have been around XDA as long as you state, you know what I mean. Forcing people to root just to uninstall unwanted apps is ridiculous on the carriers and manufacturers part. I have rooted for this and other reasons as well. Currently on my rooted Inspire, I am running Gingerbread 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0, which just blows away the buggy 2.3.3 with Sense 2.1 stock rom. I will not consider upgrading to the Vivid until the bootloader is unlocked and it is s-off and rooted.

I can and do appreciate redpoint's cautiousness and the bricking issue. I envy your Inspire's unlockedness as well and probably should have waited with the Vivid, if it were not for HTC's Presidential post on Facebook. Perhaps they will come through, or perhaps GSLEON3, or one of the others will collect the bounty.  Your words all true. Smiley Happy

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junkstuff wrote:
I can and do appreciate redpoint's cautiousness and the bricking issue. I envy your Inspire's unlockedness as well and probably should have waited with the Vivid, if it were not for HTC's Presidential post on Facebook. Perhaps they will come through, or perhaps GSLEON3, or one of the others will collect the bounty.  Your words all true. Smiley Happy

My apologies if they are due.  From your OP, it was impossible to discern whether you were someone of less experience, that might remove some critical Google service and screw up the phone.  But after your subsequent explanation, its clear that your abilites and intent are far beyond that.  When in doubt, I typically make my responses for the masses. And particularly here (as oppossed to a place like XDA) the huge majority of the users are indeed noobs to this type of discussion.  IMO better for me to state the obvious and have experienced users just disregard, rather than have a noob do something they shouldn't, and mess up their phone.

 

I don't own a Vivid, and haven't been following development on it at all.  Any indication on whether the Revolutionary team is working on this phone, or that that the Revolutionary exploits can be used to gain S-Off?  Revolutionary seems to work on many newer HTC devices.  Or has HTC changed up their security measures yet again (or done something AT&T specific to protect S-off)?

 

Just kicking around XDA a bit, someone stated the following below, which would seem to indicate that AT&T is in fact to blame for the locked bootloader.  The Raider and the Vivid are the same phone, but it looks like only the Raider has the unlocked bootloader available.


AT&T users dont have any way to unlock the bootloader right now. The Raider can get an unlocked bootloader by using the HTCDev.com website.

if you have an unlocked bootloader, you can have permanent root.


junkstuff wrote:
I can and do appreciate redpoint's cautiousness and the bricking issue. I envy your Inspire's unlockedness as well and probably should have waited with the Vivid, if it were not for HTC's Presidential post on Facebook. Perhaps they will come through, or perhaps GSLEON3, or one of the others will collect the bounty.  Your words all true. Smiley Happy

My apologies if they are due.  From your OP, it was impossible to discern whether you were someone of less experience, that might remove some critical Google service and screw up the phone.  But after your subsequent explanation, its clear that your abilites and intent are far beyond that.  When in doubt, I typically make my responses for the masses. And particularly here (as oppossed to a place like XDA) the huge majority of the users are indeed noobs to this type of discussion.  IMO better for me to state the obvious and have experienced users just disregard, rather than have a noob do something they shouldn't, and mess up their phone.

 

I don't own a Vivid, and haven't been following development on it at all.  Any indication on whether the Revolutionary team is working on this phone, or that that the Revolutionary exploits can be used to gain S-Off?  Revolutionary seems to work on many newer HTC devices.  Or has HTC changed up their security measures yet again (or done something AT&T specific to protect S-off)?

 

Just kicking around XDA a bit, someone stated the following below, which would seem to indicate that AT&T is in fact to blame for the locked bootloader.  The Raider and the Vivid are the same phone, but it looks like only the Raider has the unlocked bootloader available.


AT&T users dont have any way to unlock the bootloader right now. The Raider can get an unlocked bootloader by using the HTCDev.com website.

if you have an unlocked bootloader, you can have permanent root.

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.

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redpoint73 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


doesn't really matter, it comes with theri logo on it so they can put what they want on it, same as verizon and sprint does. No one ever said that p[ay full retail gets you an unlocked one - again as a business owner I have no issues with locked items, the software we develop and sell require a renewal of the license / dongle key every year, if said key or dongle key is not replaced the software shuts down.


redpoint73 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


doesn't really matter, it comes with theri logo on it so they can put what they want on it, same as verizon and sprint does. No one ever said that p[ay full retail gets you an unlocked one - again as a business owner I have no issues with locked items, the software we develop and sell require a renewal of the license / dongle key every year, if said key or dongle key is not replaced the software shuts down.

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wingrider01 wrote:

redpoint73 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


doesn't really matter, it comes with theri logo on it so they can put what they want on it, same as verizon and sprint does. No one ever said that p[ay full retail gets you an unlocked one - again as a business owner I have no issues with locked items, the software we develop and sell require a renewal of the license / dongle key every year, if said key or dongle key is not replaced the software shuts down.



The fact that you have your own business and how you choose to run it is irrelevant. What we are stating is the fact that we pay for a phone and outright own it, so we should be free to customize it any way we want. We understand that this may involve voiding the warranty, but we are all big boys here and choose to accept that. Android is an open operating system and does not require a license. The source code is openly distributed and the devs over at XDA do a far better job of further developing the software than the devs for the manufacturers. In many cases, it is those devs at XDA that provide the fixes for the bugs and glitches in the stock roms. The current Gingerbread release for the Inspire is a disgrace and neither the carrier nor the manufacturer seem to have any intent of providing fixes. All they can do is stand there and point fingers at each other. Like I said, what a disgrace.


wingrider01 wrote:

redpoint73 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


doesn't really matter, it comes with theri logo on it so they can put what they want on it, same as verizon and sprint does. No one ever said that p[ay full retail gets you an unlocked one - again as a business owner I have no issues with locked items, the software we develop and sell require a renewal of the license / dongle key every year, if said key or dongle key is not replaced the software shuts down.



The fact that you have your own business and how you choose to run it is irrelevant. What we are stating is the fact that we pay for a phone and outright own it, so we should be free to customize it any way we want. We understand that this may involve voiding the warranty, but we are all big boys here and choose to accept that. Android is an open operating system and does not require a license. The source code is openly distributed and the devs over at XDA do a far better job of further developing the software than the devs for the manufacturers. In many cases, it is those devs at XDA that provide the fixes for the bugs and glitches in the stock roms. The current Gingerbread release for the Inspire is a disgrace and neither the carrier nor the manufacturer seem to have any intent of providing fixes. All they can do is stand there and point fingers at each other. Like I said, what a disgrace.

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sitnsidewayz wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

redpoint73 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


doesn't really matter, it comes with theri logo on it so they can put what they want on it, same as verizon and sprint does. No one ever said that p[ay full retail gets you an unlocked one - again as a business owner I have no issues with locked items, the software we develop and sell require a renewal of the license / dongle key every year, if said key or dongle key is not replaced the software shuts down.



The fact that you have your own business and how you choose to run it is irrelevant. What we are stating is the fact that we pay for a phone and outright own it, so we should be free to customize it any way we want. We understand that this may involve voiding the warranty, but we are all big boys here and choose to accept that. Android is an open operating system and does not require a license. The source code is openly distributed and the devs over at XDA do a far better job of further developing the software than the devs for the manufacturers. In many cases, it is those devs at XDA that provide the fixes for the bugs and glitches in the stock roms. The current Gingerbread release for the Inspire is a disgrace and neither the carrier nor the manufacturer seem to have any intent of providing fixes. All they can do is stand there and point fingers at each other. Like I said, what a disgrace.


perfeclty wll and good, but cannot understand what you feel that att or any carrier is required to give you a device that is totally unbranded from their proceedures. Beg to dfiffer that android is totally open and there are no license requirements or cost for non-commercial use, same as with linux, you can freely distribute it in a non-commercial environment, but there are licnesing cost for a commercial environment. Sorry google does not provide the OS for commercial use - aka phone OS for nothing, they are not  that charitable. Not a disgrace, just a business model that is all, same as every other business model in the known universe that is in existance to make money. TANSTAAFL in anything in the world


sitnsidewayz wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

redpoint73 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


doesn't really matter, it comes with theri logo on it so they can put what they want on it, same as verizon and sprint does. No one ever said that p[ay full retail gets you an unlocked one - again as a business owner I have no issues with locked items, the software we develop and sell require a renewal of the license / dongle key every year, if said key or dongle key is not replaced the software shuts down.



The fact that you have your own business and how you choose to run it is irrelevant. What we are stating is the fact that we pay for a phone and outright own it, so we should be free to customize it any way we want. We understand that this may involve voiding the warranty, but we are all big boys here and choose to accept that. Android is an open operating system and does not require a license. The source code is openly distributed and the devs over at XDA do a far better job of further developing the software than the devs for the manufacturers. In many cases, it is those devs at XDA that provide the fixes for the bugs and glitches in the stock roms. The current Gingerbread release for the Inspire is a disgrace and neither the carrier nor the manufacturer seem to have any intent of providing fixes. All they can do is stand there and point fingers at each other. Like I said, what a disgrace.


perfeclty wll and good, but cannot understand what you feel that att or any carrier is required to give you a device that is totally unbranded from their proceedures. Beg to dfiffer that android is totally open and there are no license requirements or cost for non-commercial use, same as with linux, you can freely distribute it in a non-commercial environment, but there are licnesing cost for a commercial environment. Sorry google does not provide the OS for commercial use - aka phone OS for nothing, they are not  that charitable. Not a disgrace, just a business model that is all, same as every other business model in the known universe that is in existance to make money. TANSTAAFL in anything in the world

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wingrider01 wrote:

sitnsidewayz wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

redpoint73 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

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It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


doesn't really matter, it comes with theri logo on it so they can put what they want on it, same as verizon and sprint does. No one ever said that p[ay full retail gets you an unlocked one - again as a business owner I have no issues with locked items, the software we develop and sell require a renewal of the license / dongle key every year, if said key or dongle key is not replaced the software shuts down.



The fact that you have your own business and how you choose to run it is irrelevant. What we are stating is the fact that we pay for a phone and outright own it, so we should be free to customize it any way we want. We understand that this may involve voiding the warranty, but we are all big boys here and choose to accept that. Android is an open operating system and does not require a license. The source code is openly distributed and the devs over at XDA do a far better job of further developing the software than the devs for the manufacturers. In many cases, it is those devs at XDA that provide the fixes for the bugs and glitches in the stock roms. The current Gingerbread release for the Inspire is a disgrace and neither the carrier nor the manufacturer seem to have any intent of providing fixes. All they can do is stand there and point fingers at each other. Like I said, what a disgrace.


perfeclty wll and good, but cannot understand what you feel that att or any carrier is required to give you a device that is totally unbranded from their proceedures. Beg to dfiffer that android is totally open and there are no license requirements or cost for non-commercial use, same as with linux, you can freely distribute it in a non-commercial environment, but there are licnesing cost for a commercial environment. Sorry google does not provide the OS for commercial use - aka phone OS for nothing, they are not  that charitable. Not a disgrace, just a business model that is all, same as every other business model in the known universe that is in existance to make money. TANSTAAFL in anything in the world



Nobody here said anything about commercial use. It is pretty obvious we are talking personal use here. I also didn't say totally unbranded. HTC Sense is the way HTC brands their devices. Adding an app like Blockbuster and not allowing it to be uninstalled is not manufacturing branding. Also, if there are flaws with the device, then someone should provide support and fixes. The flaws with the mms apk with Gingerbread for the Inspire are well documented. This upgrade was released early August and there still have been no fixes. If a manufacturer and/or carrier are not going to support a device, at least open it up to get support for the device elsewhere. I had no intention of rooting my wife's phone, but ended up doing it so I could install a Sense 3.0 rom that was ported over from the Desire HD. Her phone runs flawless now with no bugs.


wingrider01 wrote:

sitnsidewayz wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

redpoint73 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

gsleon3 wrote:
It is VERY lame that AT&T locks the Vivid, but not the SkyRocket. I wonder if AT&T knows they are getting bad reviews and negative forum presence, which losses them a lot of sales due to locking the bootloader.


Curious why is it lame when they subsidize the majority portion of the cost of the phone for you, unless you paid the full 550.00 for it?


For one ting, gsleon is saying its lame that one AT&T phone is locked, while another is not, so being subsidized has nothing to do with it.  Also, its not like buying the device for full retail will get you an unlocked one.


doesn't really matter, it comes with theri logo on it so they can put what they want on it, same as verizon and sprint does. No one ever said that p[ay full retail gets you an unlocked one - again as a business owner I have no issues with locked items, the software we develop and sell require a renewal of the license / dongle key every year, if said key or dongle key is not replaced the software shuts down.



The fact that you have your own business and how you choose to run it is irrelevant. What we are stating is the fact that we pay for a phone and outright own it, so we should be free to customize it any way we want. We understand that this may involve voiding the warranty, but we are all big boys here and choose to accept that. Android is an open operating system and does not require a license. The source code is openly distributed and the devs over at XDA do a far better job of further developing the software than the devs for the manufacturers. In many cases, it is those devs at XDA that provide the fixes for the bugs and glitches in the stock roms. The current Gingerbread release for the Inspire is a disgrace and neither the carrier nor the manufacturer seem to have any intent of providing fixes. All they can do is stand there and point fingers at each other. Like I said, what a disgrace.


perfeclty wll and good, but cannot understand what you feel that att or any carrier is required to give you a device that is totally unbranded from their proceedures. Beg to dfiffer that android is totally open and there are no license requirements or cost for non-commercial use, same as with linux, you can freely distribute it in a non-commercial environment, but there are licnesing cost for a commercial environment. Sorry google does not provide the OS for commercial use - aka phone OS for nothing, they are not  that charitable. Not a disgrace, just a business model that is all, same as every other business model in the known universe that is in existance to make money. TANSTAAFL in anything in the world



Nobody here said anything about commercial use. It is pretty obvious we are talking personal use here. I also didn't say totally unbranded. HTC Sense is the way HTC brands their devices. Adding an app like Blockbuster and not allowing it to be uninstalled is not manufacturing branding. Also, if there are flaws with the device, then someone should provide support and fixes. The flaws with the mms apk with Gingerbread for the Inspire are well documented. This upgrade was released early August and there still have been no fixes. If a manufacturer and/or carrier are not going to support a device, at least open it up to get support for the device elsewhere. I had no intention of rooting my wife's phone, but ended up doing it so I could install a Sense 3.0 rom that was ported over from the Desire HD. Her phone runs flawless now with no bugs.

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Wingrider01, of course AT&T has the right to release the product however they want.  And we have the choice to buy it, or not buy it, or take our business elsewhere.

 

But in this case, it seems odd (at the least) that they released the Vivid with a locked bootloader, while the Samsung Skyrocket is not, and the phones were released on the exact same day.  Further, the non-AT&T version of the Vivid (the Raider) has the unlocked bootloader available, while AT&T customers seem to be stuck waiting for the dev community to hack it.

 

So it seems that not only AT&T is to blame here (not HTC), and if they are exercising some sort of business model or general practive, its not a consistant one.

Wingrider01, of course AT&T has the right to release the product however they want.  And we have the choice to buy it, or not buy it, or take our business elsewhere.

 

But in this case, it seems odd (at the least) that they released the Vivid with a locked bootloader, while the Samsung Skyrocket is not, and the phones were released on the exact same day.  Further, the non-AT&T version of the Vivid (the Raider) has the unlocked bootloader available, while AT&T customers seem to be stuck waiting for the dev community to hack it.

 

So it seems that not only AT&T is to blame here (not HTC), and if they are exercising some sort of business model or general practive, its not a consistant one.

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Post a request for the bootloader unlonk at HTCDev.com.  There is an easily overlooked link to do this at the bottom right of their website page.

 

Not sure if they monitor the comments, if at all; but it can't hurt to try.

Post a request for the bootloader unlonk at HTCDev.com.  There is an easily overlooked link to do this at the bottom right of their website page.

 

Not sure if they monitor the comments, if at all; but it can't hurt to try.

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AT&T locks all phones they have I thought.
Nothing to do with HTC
AT&T locks all phones they have I thought.
Nothing to do with HTC

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Nothing to do with HTC

You realize we're talking about locked bootloaders, to prevent root?

 

I believe all the recent Samsung and LG phones offered by AT&T have unlocked bootloaders. 

 

HTC locks all their bootloaders lately, but offers the unlocked bootloader for most of their recent devices on their developer website.  But not for the AT&T Vivid, for some reason.


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AT&T locks all phones they have I thought.
Nothing to do with HTC

You realize we're talking about locked bootloaders, to prevent root?

 

I believe all the recent Samsung and LG phones offered by AT&T have unlocked bootloaders. 

 

HTC locks all their bootloaders lately, but offers the unlocked bootloader for most of their recent devices on their developer website.  But not for the AT&T Vivid, for some reason.

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lol ive heard about it but ive never done it myself !

 

maybe the Vivid is a special phone sold by ATT

but im sure you will find a way to solve it

 

im awaiting 4.0 ice-cream sandwiches to arrive for my HTC I wish that would hurry up

makes it worse now seeing that Samsung Google Nexus Woman Sad

lol ive heard about it but ive never done it myself !

 

maybe the Vivid is a special phone sold by ATT

but im sure you will find a way to solve it

 

im awaiting 4.0 ice-cream sandwiches to arrive for my HTC I wish that would hurry up

makes it worse now seeing that Samsung Google Nexus Woman Sad

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My apologies if they are due.  From your OP, it was impossible to discern whether you were someone of less experience, that might remove some critical Google service and screw up the phone.  But after your subsequent explanation, its clear that your abilities and intent are far beyond that.  When in doubt, I typically make my responses for the masses. And particularly here (as opposed to a place like XDA) the huge majority of the users are indeed noobs to this type of discussion.  IMO better for me to state the obvious and have experienced users just disregard, rather than have a noob do something they shouldn't, and mess up their phone.

 

I don't own a Vivid, and haven't been following development on it at all.  Any indication on whether the Revolutionary team is working on this phone, or that that the Revolutionary exploits can be used to gain S-Off?  Revolutionary seems to work on many newer HTC devices.  Or has HTC changed up their security measures yet again (or done something AT&T specific to protect S-off)?

 

Just kicking around XDA a bit, someone stated the following below, which would seem to indicate that AT&T is in fact to blame for the locked bootloader.  The Raider and the Vivid are the same phone, but it looks like only the Raider has the unlocked bootloader available.


AT&T users dont have any way to unlock the bootloader right now. The Raider can get an unlocked bootloader by using the HTCDev.com website.

if you have an unlocked bootloader, you can have permanent root.


No apologies due, I understand completely. I would have probably given the same response and I'm used to dealing with various tier levels. Really it should be me apologizing, as I did not mean to start a controversial thread, or to manipulate all you folks valuable time. I was just intending to give an opinion for AT&T's sake and also place a posting if someone came across a solution before I did.  Smiley Happy

 

I remember reading in one of the first XDA Vivid threads that someone was going to contact the Revolutionary team, but have not read anything since. (I'm a little behind today and this week, due to storms.)  I'm coming over from a Win phone to Android, since I use Ubuntu / Python anyway. It looks like some of the code used on the Inspire can be used with the Vivid, but like I said, the last couple of days there could have been developments with the NRAM thing.

 

Yes, I've been reading that about AT&T's Vs.. HTC's culpability with the unlocking issue. My guess here is that HTC offers production of locked phones for an additional cost, which AT&T could be taking advantage of. Same kind of thing with the Satellite companies locking external storage to their receivers before they leave manufacture. They get to charge the consumer for unlocking something that wasn't locked in the first place. Akin to selling someone a car, locking it and making the consumer pay for the key. (In this case, the customer would be AT&T.) One article I read said that HTC had been releasing all locked phones at the beginning of this year, which prompted an outcry and HTC's President's response on their Facebook page in May. Whatever HTC's position, the line between PC's, pads and phones is blurred - being more PC than phone. My opinion, just release the unlocked phones and make your customer base happy. After all, the phone was already purchased and a two year contract signed. This way when updates to whatever phone's O.S. comes out, people can just install them without worrying about bricking them, and everyone gets the added benefit of not wasting valuable time. (Apple being the exception and no, I don't want to go there. lol) Thank you for your response. Smiley Happy

My apologies if they are due.  From your OP, it was impossible to discern whether you were someone of less experience, that might remove some critical Google service and screw up the phone.  But after your subsequent explanation, its clear that your abilities and intent are far beyond that.  When in doubt, I typically make my responses for the masses. And particularly here (as opposed to a place like XDA) the huge majority of the users are indeed noobs to this type of discussion.  IMO better for me to state the obvious and have experienced users just disregard, rather than have a noob do something they shouldn't, and mess up their phone.

 

I don't own a Vivid, and haven't been following development on it at all.  Any indication on whether the Revolutionary team is working on this phone, or that that the Revolutionary exploits can be used to gain S-Off?  Revolutionary seems to work on many newer HTC devices.  Or has HTC changed up their security measures yet again (or done something AT&T specific to protect S-off)?

 

Just kicking around XDA a bit, someone stated the following below, which would seem to indicate that AT&T is in fact to blame for the locked bootloader.  The Raider and the Vivid are the same phone, but it looks like only the Raider has the unlocked bootloader available.


AT&T users dont have any way to unlock the bootloader right now. The Raider can get an unlocked bootloader by using the HTCDev.com website.

if you have an unlocked bootloader, you can have permanent root.


No apologies due, I understand completely. I would have probably given the same response and I'm used to dealing with various tier levels. Really it should be me apologizing, as I did not mean to start a controversial thread, or to manipulate all you folks valuable time. I was just intending to give an opinion for AT&T's sake and also place a posting if someone came across a solution before I did.  Smiley Happy

 

I remember reading in one of the first XDA Vivid threads that someone was going to contact the Revolutionary team, but have not read anything since. (I'm a little behind today and this week, due to storms.)  I'm coming over from a Win phone to Android, since I use Ubuntu / Python anyway. It looks like some of the code used on the Inspire can be used with the Vivid, but like I said, the last couple of days there could have been developments with the NRAM thing.

 

Yes, I've been reading that about AT&T's Vs.. HTC's culpability with the unlocking issue. My guess here is that HTC offers production of locked phones for an additional cost, which AT&T could be taking advantage of. Same kind of thing with the Satellite companies locking external storage to their receivers before they leave manufacture. They get to charge the consumer for unlocking something that wasn't locked in the first place. Akin to selling someone a car, locking it and making the consumer pay for the key. (In this case, the customer would be AT&T.) One article I read said that HTC had been releasing all locked phones at the beginning of this year, which prompted an outcry and HTC's President's response on their Facebook page in May. Whatever HTC's position, the line between PC's, pads and phones is blurred - being more PC than phone. My opinion, just release the unlocked phones and make your customer base happy. After all, the phone was already purchased and a two year contract signed. This way when updates to whatever phone's O.S. comes out, people can just install them without worrying about bricking them, and everyone gets the added benefit of not wasting valuable time. (Apple being the exception and no, I don't want to go there. lol) Thank you for your response. Smiley Happy

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junkstuff wrote:
Really it should be me apologizing, as I did not mean to start a controversial thread, or to manipulate all you folks valuable time.

Certainly no need to apologize on that count.  Good discussion, and a valid opinion you've presented.  Sure, not everyone on this thread agrees with the same stance.  But that's what makes the discussion all the more interesting and informative.  And if we didn't want to take the time to read or respond, we don't have to.

Revolutionary supports many pretty recent HTC devices, like the Sensation, EVO 3D.  Speaking from the standpoint of someone who is not a developer, I would think this would mean it is very possible the Revolutionary exploits would work on the Vivid.  That is, unless HTC just happened to very recently employ new protections or plugged those particular holes which were exploited.  The Revolutionary team has been very careful about not disclosing the exploits they used, in hopes that they would continue to work for future HTC devices.  But as I mentioned, I haven't had time to track development on all the new HTC devices coming out.  Really just speaking from my previous experience following Revolutionary from when I used it to  root my HTC Flyer tablet.

 

The more I read about HTC's current policy on locked bootloaders, the more I agree with your frustration.  From what I understand, all phones are still sold with lock bootloaders.  But most of them have the option to go to the HTC Developer website and download the unlocked bootloader.  But doing so will void your warranty.  And in case of the Vivid, you do not even have that option.

 

This in mind, I would be inclinded to say you are actually better off waiting for the dev community to provide a hack to get S-Off.  That way, you at least have the option of returning to your phone to stock and preserving your warranty.  Of course, this also assumes that such a hack will be available in some reasonable amount of time.  It took a couple months after the HTC Flyer's release before S-Off was gained, and it was pretty painful waiting, and not knowing if or when it would ever happen.


junkstuff wrote:
Really it should be me apologizing, as I did not mean to start a controversial thread, or to manipulate all you folks valuable time.

Certainly no need to apologize on that count.  Good discussion, and a valid opinion you've presented.  Sure, not everyone on this thread agrees with the same stance.  But that's what makes the discussion all the more interesting and informative.  And if we didn't want to take the time to read or respond, we don't have to.

Revolutionary supports many pretty recent HTC devices, like the Sensation, EVO 3D.  Speaking from the standpoint of someone who is not a developer, I would think this would mean it is very possible the Revolutionary exploits would work on the Vivid.  That is, unless HTC just happened to very recently employ new protections or plugged those particular holes which were exploited.  The Revolutionary team has been very careful about not disclosing the exploits they used, in hopes that they would continue to work for future HTC devices.  But as I mentioned, I haven't had time to track development on all the new HTC devices coming out.  Really just speaking from my previous experience following Revolutionary from when I used it to  root my HTC Flyer tablet.

 

The more I read about HTC's current policy on locked bootloaders, the more I agree with your frustration.  From what I understand, all phones are still sold with lock bootloaders.  But most of them have the option to go to the HTC Developer website and download the unlocked bootloader.  But doing so will void your warranty.  And in case of the Vivid, you do not even have that option.

 

This in mind, I would be inclinded to say you are actually better off waiting for the dev community to provide a hack to get S-Off.  That way, you at least have the option of returning to your phone to stock and preserving your warranty.  Of course, this also assumes that such a hack will be available in some reasonable amount of time.  It took a couple months after the HTC Flyer's release before S-Off was gained, and it was pretty painful waiting, and not knowing if or when it would ever happen.

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