This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38453730/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/

 

Read it and weep guys, our privacy is at risk and we're not even afforded the decency of being warned, and worse, this is most likely increasing our data usage, so we get to PAY to have our privacy invaded.

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Message 1 of 26
Scholar

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

wow i just read it and it does not sound good at all.. they need to find a solution quick..

Message 2 of 26
Professor

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

Yeah, Apple needs to find a way to better manage what the device allows apps to get into. They are making an effort into it, now with iOS4 at least it tells you when location services are used in each app in the past day or so.

Message 3 of 26
ACE - Professor

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

 


DimentoGraven wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38453730/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/

 

Read it and weep guys, our privacy is at risk and we're not even afforded the decency of being warned, and worse, this is most likely increasing our data usage, so we get to PAY to have our privacy invaded.


 

You are making a lot of assumptions based on a news article that is long on fear and short on details. But as always, you are in control. Simply return the device for a refund, and go back to using a flip phone.

 

Your privacy is at risk when you use a computer with personal data on it, because any program on that computer could, in theory, find it and send it somewhere.

 

Your privacy is at risk when you sign up for any of those affinity programs at your grocery store, your drug store, and your gas station. When you sign up for Facebook, gmail, or any one of a thousand social networking sites.

 

Must be a slow news day.

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.
Message 4 of 26
Scholar

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage


johninsj wrote:

 


DimentoGraven wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38453730/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/

 

Read it and weep guys, our privacy is at risk and we're not even afforded the decency of being warned, and worse, this is most likely increasing our data usage, so we get to PAY to have our privacy invaded.


 

You are making a lot of assumptions based on a news article that is long on fear and short on details. But as always, you are in control. Simply return the device for a refund, and go back to using a flip phone.

 

Your privacy is at risk when you use a computer with personal data on it, because any program on that computer could, in theory, find it and send it somewhere.

 

Your privacy is at risk when you sign up for any of those affinity programs at your grocery store, your drug store, and your gas station. When you sign up for Facebook, gmail, or any one of a thousand social networking sites.

 

Must be a slow news day.


good point

Message 5 of 26

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

Only your computer analogy makes any kind of sense, with the rest of your analogies, no it doesn't make sense, as when you sign up for those things, you know up front what they're going to do and that they are absolutely gathering information on your purchases and such.

 

Just because it has become common to face that risk doesn't it make it "all right" for apps to do this serruptitiously.  As jealously as Apple is at "protecting" itself and reviewing all apps it places in the App Store, you'd think they'd be a bit more customer centric and not allow any applications be placed that gather non-location based information without informing the user.

 

That'd be a good "customer centric" kind of thing to do, don't you think?

 

Beyond that, the fact that AT&T only offers Tiered data plans to its new customers means that there's potential for that serruptitiously gathered data costing customer's money.  The customers don't even get the option to tell it no, and for the phone to function as expected, they have to leave it on all the time, unlike in your computer anology, where I can actually disconnect from the internet and still have my computer be 99.9% functional for what I need it to do.

 

Over and above all that, the fact that this sort of activity isn't disclosed up front, so we didn't get to make an informed decision, so we forced to go through the return process (if viable due to the time constraints on returning equipment and canceling contracts) to revert back to a more secure, less advanced phone.

 

I can't understand you're not being concerned or upset that Apple allows this sort of things in the apps it approves for sale in its App Store.  I can't understand you're not seeing it neccessary that all information being sent back is disclosed to you BEFORE hand, and at that it's not required that these apps, or the phone, have configuration options to prevent this activity (y'know like is possible with your PC analogy), and I certainly can't understand how you wouldn't be a little bit offended that the information counts against your data usage, potentially causing you to have to pay more money every now and then as this information is sent out...

 

So you believe that business should be allowed to do whatever the heck it wants no matter who it hurts or what damage it causes?

 

Wow...

Message 6 of 26
ACE - Professor

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

 


DimentoGraven wrote:
doesn't it make it "all right" for apps to do this serruptitiously. 

 


 

You have no proof that this is happening, however. Please do provide proof in the form of tcp/ip dumps of the data being surreptitiously sent via an app without permission.

 

Here, I'll make it even easier. Let me know the name of ANY app you know is doing this, and I'll capture the data stream and check for this surreptitious data...

 

If you're worried, either don't use the device or don't put any data on it you don't want getting out.

 

"wow" back.

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.
Message 7 of 26
Professor

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

I was gonna suggest that, use a program to capture all data send/recieved from a device for a day. Use all the apps you need normally, and see the traffic of each app. Even if its SSL secured, you can still see where the IP of the destination is (I believe) and then we can get some insight on this issue.


I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, just stating that it would be good to get some more info on the subject.

Message 8 of 26
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ACE - Professor

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

Don't know if point to another forum is OK, if not mods feel free to nuke...

 

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24590498-Nightly-uploads-from-Iphone-mystery-or-not

 

There you go. Detailed logs of "overnight" transactions. Nothing at all except for push notifications & email. No hidden, unathorized, secret, black ops data collection going on.

 

 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.
Message 9 of 26
Professor

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

I dont think they'll nuke you here, but very good post. I think I'll do this myself. Maybe run all the traffic through my PC with cain installed and take a peek at my phone's usage. Just because I'm bored.

Message 10 of 26
Guru

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

johninsj, I have all push notifications disallowed and email is not even set up on my phone.  In a day and a half, without me accessing data in any way, over 23 mb were used.  I have gone over this with both AT&T and Apple and neither has any explanation.  I keep data turned off most of the time now and the usage has slowed.

Message 11 of 26
Professor

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

If you have technical experience you can:


  • Hook your computer to the internet
  • Create a ad-hoc network between your computer and phone, for internet
  • Have the computer run a program to monitor all inbound and outbound connections from the iPhone

This assumes you have wirleless built into your computer and you can get a program.

Message 12 of 26
Guru

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

This should be fun!

(not that i care; just for fun tech stuff)

Message 13 of 26
ACE - Professor

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

 


ormom51 wrote:

johninsj, I have all push notifications disallowed and email is not even set up on my phone.  In a day and a half, without me accessing data in any way, over 23 mb were used.  I have gone over this with both AT&T and Apple and neither has any explanation.  I keep data turned off most of the time now and the usage has slowed.


 

did you agree to send diagnostic data to apple when you activated your phone? I use my phone normally and use less than 23mb/day, without turning off data, with email on, and using the thing as I please. Data usage is completely in line with my expectations. 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.
Message 14 of 26

Re: This Goes a LONG Way in Explaining the Mysterious Data Usage

 


johninsj wrote:

 


ormom51 wrote:

johninsj, I have all push notifications disallowed and email is not even set up on my phone.  In a day and a half, without me accessing data in any way, over 23 mb were used.  I have gone over this with both AT&T and Apple and neither has any explanation.  I keep data turned off most of the time now and the usage has slowed.


 

did you agree to send diagnostic data to apple when you activated your phone? I use my phone normally and use less than 23mb/day, without turning off data, with email on, and using the thing as I please. Data usage is completely in line with my expectations. 


do you own an iphone 4 johninsj? i dont understand how mine can go above 20+Mbs at night and you dont use 20 mbs a day. i didnt even use internet at all and i have downloaded no apps or anything. 

 

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