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So thats it, its official ATT doesnt care

No upgrade pricing was given to loyal customers, while some people on same plans are getting the upgrade pricing, I confirmed with 3 people on same plan as me with same date as me getting it at the right price, while I was greeted with upgrade available and a 11/22 date... ATT this is not right and as many times as I said it before I feel cheated and betrayed I dont care what ATT followers are saying here. 

 

We got cheated !!!! I would of been ok with atleast 1normal upgrade on primary line and a early upgrade $250 fee for the other, but no Greed took over ATT and they said good bye to me. Well Good bye to you.......

 

No upgrade pricing was given to loyal customers, while some people on same plans are getting the upgrade pricing, I confirmed with 3 people on same plan as me with same date as me getting it at the right price, while I was greeted with upgrade available and a 11/22 date... ATT this is not right and as many times as I said it before I feel cheated and betrayed I dont care what ATT followers are saying here. 

 

We got cheated !!!! I would of been ok with atleast 1normal upgrade on primary line and a early upgrade $250 fee for the other, but no Greed took over ATT and they said good bye to me. Well Good bye to you.......

 

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As bad as AT&T customer service is, it's gold quality compared to Sprint. Sprint consistently has some of the worst customer service ratings in the industry.

As bad as AT&T customer service is, it's gold quality compared to Sprint. Sprint consistently has some of the worst customer service ratings in the industry.

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dww0311 wrote:

As bad as AT&T customer service is, it's gold quality compared to Sprint. Sprint consistently has some of the worst customer service ratings in the industry.


Where is your source ? I am sure no one company consistently satisfies most of their customers. At least the link below is objective:

 

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10/06/iphone-4s-att-vs-verizon-vs-sprint-which-carrier-is-best/


dww0311 wrote:

As bad as AT&T customer service is, it's gold quality compared to Sprint. Sprint consistently has some of the worst customer service ratings in the industry.


Where is your source ? I am sure no one company consistently satisfies most of their customers. At least the link below is objective:

 

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10/06/iphone-4s-att-vs-verizon-vs-sprint-which-carrier-is-best/

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BadBadLeroyBrown wrote:

So move to Sprint. Nobody's telling you to stay. But what happens when another model of iPhone comes out anywhere between July & October of next year, & Sprint tells you "no dice" when you say you want to upgrade to the latest & greatest iPhone? Will you then pay the ETF to move to Verizon? And then return to AT&T when the iPhone 5S comes out in mid-to-late 2013?

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No problem for me - I move my first line to Sprint in the next few months - get the IP4S.  Then by June-Oct - if and when the new IP5 does come out, I move the other line - it's 2 yr will be up. Perfect timing for Sprint.

 

Bad timing/decision for ATT and here is why:

I suspect most IP4 customers will be eligible by end of Feb-March period (IP4 came out in Jun2010), som even later. If they are as dissatisfied as I am - I am sure they will contemplate moving to Sprint/VZ in the Jun/Oct period. With Sprint WiMax/LTE rolling out full-tilt next June - and unlimited plans for everyone - you do the math...

 

This is not just me - I suspect a ton of owners are in the same boat as me due to the timing of Apple release (and Apple's belligerence with $250 that will cause a lot to not upgrade right now).

 

It makes Sprint perfectly poised to swoop in and gain - to the detriment of ATT and even VZ.

 

Smiley Happy


BadBadLeroyBrown wrote:

So move to Sprint. Nobody's telling you to stay. But what happens when another model of iPhone comes out anywhere between July & October of next year, & Sprint tells you "no dice" when you say you want to upgrade to the latest & greatest iPhone? Will you then pay the ETF to move to Verizon? And then return to AT&T when the iPhone 5S comes out in mid-to-late 2013?

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No problem for me - I move my first line to Sprint in the next few months - get the IP4S.  Then by June-Oct - if and when the new IP5 does come out, I move the other line - it's 2 yr will be up. Perfect timing for Sprint.

 

Bad timing/decision for ATT and here is why:

I suspect most IP4 customers will be eligible by end of Feb-March period (IP4 came out in Jun2010), som even later. If they are as dissatisfied as I am - I am sure they will contemplate moving to Sprint/VZ in the Jun/Oct period. With Sprint WiMax/LTE rolling out full-tilt next June - and unlimited plans for everyone - you do the math...

 

This is not just me - I suspect a ton of owners are in the same boat as me due to the timing of Apple release (and Apple's belligerence with $250 that will cause a lot to not upgrade right now).

 

It makes Sprint perfectly poised to swoop in and gain - to the detriment of ATT and even VZ.

 

Smiley Happy

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Having been a customer of both, and the published customer service rankings.

 

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2007/tc20070726_020033.htm

Having been a customer of both, and the published customer service rankings.

 

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2007/tc20070726_020033.htm

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dww0311 wrote:

Having been a customer of both, and the published customer service rankings.

 

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2007/tc20070726_020033.htm


Thanks - but this is from 2007. The landscape is c ompletely revolutionized since then. And yes I was also with Sprint many, many, many years back.

 

In addition - I do believe that Cingular was a far better operator than ATT could ever be. They started this Rollover thingy - not ATT, for the record.

 

So you see as years go by stuff changes and I am sure Sprint will be gearing up to receive loyal APPLE fans so that they continue to feel at home when they switch over from ATT ...

 

Smiley Happy


dww0311 wrote:

Having been a customer of both, and the published customer service rankings.

 

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2007/tc20070726_020033.htm


Thanks - but this is from 2007. The landscape is c ompletely revolutionized since then. And yes I was also with Sprint many, many, many years back.

 

In addition - I do believe that Cingular was a far better operator than ATT could ever be. They started this Rollover thingy - not ATT, for the record.

 

So you see as years go by stuff changes and I am sure Sprint will be gearing up to receive loyal APPLE fans so that they continue to feel at home when they switch over from ATT ...

 

Smiley Happy

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hpsb wrote:

BadBadLeroyBrown wrote:

So move to Sprint. Nobody's telling you to stay. But what happens when another model of iPhone comes out anywhere between July & October of next year, & Sprint tells you "no dice" when you say you want to upgrade to the latest & greatest iPhone? Will you then pay the ETF to move to Verizon? And then return to AT&T when the iPhone 5S comes out in mid-to-late 2013?

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No problem for me - I move my first line to Sprint in the next few months - get the IP4S.  Then by June-Oct - if and when the new IP5 does come out, I move the other line - it's 2 yr will be up. Perfect timing for Sprint.

 

Bad timing/decision for ATT and here is why:

I suspect most IP4 customers will be eligible by end of Feb-March period (IP4 came out in Jun2010), som even later. If they are as dissatisfied as I am - I am sure they will contemplate moving to Sprint/VZ in the Jun/Oct period. With Sprint WiMax/LTE rolling out full-tilt next June - and unlimited plans for everyone - you do the math...

 

This is not just me - I suspect a ton of owners are in the same boat as me due to the timing of Apple release (and Apple's belligerence with $250 that will cause a lot to not upgrade right now).

 

It makes Sprint perfectly poised to swoop in and gain - to the detriment of ATT and even VZ.

 

Smiley Happy


 

It sounds to me like you are just experiencing sour grapes because you're a high maintenance diva and didn't get what you wanted from AT&T, no offense intended.


hpsb wrote:

BadBadLeroyBrown wrote:

So move to Sprint. Nobody's telling you to stay. But what happens when another model of iPhone comes out anywhere between July & October of next year, & Sprint tells you "no dice" when you say you want to upgrade to the latest & greatest iPhone? Will you then pay the ETF to move to Verizon? And then return to AT&T when the iPhone 5S comes out in mid-to-late 2013?

 .


No problem for me - I move my first line to Sprint in the next few months - get the IP4S.  Then by June-Oct - if and when the new IP5 does come out, I move the other line - it's 2 yr will be up. Perfect timing for Sprint.

 

Bad timing/decision for ATT and here is why:

I suspect most IP4 customers will be eligible by end of Feb-March period (IP4 came out in Jun2010), som even later. If they are as dissatisfied as I am - I am sure they will contemplate moving to Sprint/VZ in the Jun/Oct period. With Sprint WiMax/LTE rolling out full-tilt next June - and unlimited plans for everyone - you do the math...

 

This is not just me - I suspect a ton of owners are in the same boat as me due to the timing of Apple release (and Apple's belligerence with $250 that will cause a lot to not upgrade right now).

 

It makes Sprint perfectly poised to swoop in and gain - to the detriment of ATT and even VZ.

 

Smiley Happy


 

It sounds to me like you are just experiencing sour grapes because you're a high maintenance diva and didn't get what you wanted from AT&T, no offense intended.

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hpsb wrote:

So you see as years go by stuff changes and I am sure Sprint will be gearing up to receive loyal APPLE fans so that they continue to feel at home when they switch over from ATT ...

 

Smiley Happy



Well, if it makes you happy, by all means switch over. Best of luck with it. Smiley Happy


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So you see as years go by stuff changes and I am sure Sprint will be gearing up to receive loyal APPLE fans so that they continue to feel at home when they switch over from ATT ...

 

Smiley Happy



Well, if it makes you happy, by all means switch over. Best of luck with it. Smiley Happy

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hpsb wrote:

"If you want to be able to upgrade at will, then you should be looking at the no-commitment price.  If you sign the contract, you need to hold up your end of the bargain.  At&t does make exceptions for early upgrades, but that is for thier own reasons.  Nowhere in the contract is an early upgrade mentioned.  "

 

I do not have to do as you. I can simply wait out my current contract and never ever again do any business with any ATT product.

 

Think about it - ATT will lose revenue from at least two lost voice accounts and two data plans - whereas they could have ensured both for an additional 16-18 months beyond the current expiry (at least)

 

I was never with ATT due to their "contracts" - I have been with them of on my own volition.

 

If this is all about contracts, then there is no need for customer satisfaction. Everyone should then just follow your contracts and neither be happy nor dissatisfied.

 

 



you do realize that corporations like ATT with contract customers have a budget line for churn rate right? Churn rate is the number of customers that will leave or cancel contracts within the current fiscal year for any reason. Suspect this has already been built into the figures for this year and will make little or no difference.

 

Do you really think that any other carrier will do what you are asking? The other two carriers are even more strict on their upgrade eligiblty time line and cancelation policy. Verizon has dropped the 12 month upgrade policy except for top tier loong term business contracts, sprint is around 20 months, so if you move don;t expect to have the other carrier change their policy just to let you get a new iphone for a subsidized price before your upgrade date


hpsb wrote:

"If you want to be able to upgrade at will, then you should be looking at the no-commitment price.  If you sign the contract, you need to hold up your end of the bargain.  At&t does make exceptions for early upgrades, but that is for thier own reasons.  Nowhere in the contract is an early upgrade mentioned.  "

 

I do not have to do as you. I can simply wait out my current contract and never ever again do any business with any ATT product.

 

Think about it - ATT will lose revenue from at least two lost voice accounts and two data plans - whereas they could have ensured both for an additional 16-18 months beyond the current expiry (at least)

 

I was never with ATT due to their "contracts" - I have been with them of on my own volition.

 

If this is all about contracts, then there is no need for customer satisfaction. Everyone should then just follow your contracts and neither be happy nor dissatisfied.

 

 



you do realize that corporations like ATT with contract customers have a budget line for churn rate right? Churn rate is the number of customers that will leave or cancel contracts within the current fiscal year for any reason. Suspect this has already been built into the figures for this year and will make little or no difference.

 

Do you really think that any other carrier will do what you are asking? The other two carriers are even more strict on their upgrade eligiblty time line and cancelation policy. Verizon has dropped the 12 month upgrade policy except for top tier loong term business contracts, sprint is around 20 months, so if you move don;t expect to have the other carrier change their policy just to let you get a new iphone for a subsidized price before your upgrade date

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Edited by wingrider01 on Oct 8, 2011 at 6:13:12 AM

hpsb wrote:

archermoo wrote:
And so my question remains.  For whom will you leave AT&T?  Is there another company who can provide you with service for an iPhone and whose policies on purchasing phones with subsidized prices are more to your liking?  


And here are your answers - all the same- 

Q) For whom will you leave AT&T

Answer - - Sprint?

 

Q) Is there another company who can provide you with service for an iPhone and whose policies on purchasing phones with subsidized prices are more to your liking

Answer - - Sprint appears to be the at least the same as ATT. It does not hurt me to move there. I am sure they allow their customer to make phone calls the same as AT does Smiley Happy.

 

Oh I will get my new iPhone(s) and the service to go along with it in the near future! Just not looking likely with ATT though.


And what will you do when the next iphone upgrade comes out, you are not eligible and they refuse - pay the etf and more to another carrier? Sprints normal upgrade period is 20 months. The also enforce the fair use policy for data strictly.

 

The grass is not always greener - do your due diligence on all of the policies that your new carrier of chose has - you maybe upset there also, pay particular attention to coverage i your areas, both local and traveling, Sprint tends to be lacking in a lot of areas - don;t use the marketing "coverage map" these tend to heavily overstate the coverage, talk to people and check the forums for your areas


hpsb wrote:

archermoo wrote:
And so my question remains.  For whom will you leave AT&T?  Is there another company who can provide you with service for an iPhone and whose policies on purchasing phones with subsidized prices are more to your liking?  


And here are your answers - all the same- 

Q) For whom will you leave AT&T

Answer - - Sprint?

 

Q) Is there another company who can provide you with service for an iPhone and whose policies on purchasing phones with subsidized prices are more to your liking

Answer - - Sprint appears to be the at least the same as ATT. It does not hurt me to move there. I am sure they allow their customer to make phone calls the same as AT does Smiley Happy.

 

Oh I will get my new iPhone(s) and the service to go along with it in the near future! Just not looking likely with ATT though.


And what will you do when the next iphone upgrade comes out, you are not eligible and they refuse - pay the etf and more to another carrier? Sprints normal upgrade period is 20 months. The also enforce the fair use policy for data strictly.

 

The grass is not always greener - do your due diligence on all of the policies that your new carrier of chose has - you maybe upset there also, pay particular attention to coverage i your areas, both local and traveling, Sprint tends to be lacking in a lot of areas - don;t use the marketing "coverage map" these tend to heavily overstate the coverage, talk to people and check the forums for your areas

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Here's the thing, ever time they have released a new iPhone, it's the same postings on the forums.  When they released the 3G one year after the original, they made all owners of the original iPhone (aka the 2G) eligible (because the first one wasn't subsidized by AT&T or anyone).  The people who had non-iphones under contract were upset with that because they couldn't upgrade, whined that Apple people were special, and threatened to leave since AT&T treated them so poorly. 

 

When the 3GS came out a year later, they allowed anyone with an upgrade date that ended before the end of the year upgrade eligible.  People who's upgrade date was in January were all upset because they got left out and threatened to leave AT&T because AT&T treated them so poorly.

 

When the 4 came out a year later, it was a similar deal (I don't remember exactly since I had skipped the 3GS and was normally eligible anyway).  Once again, some people got an early upgrade and others didn't.  Yet again, the people left out threatened to leave AT&T because they were treated so poorly.

 

Add to all that all the people who threatened to leave as soon as Verizon got the iPhone or those who were upset that AT&T wouldn't unlock their phone.

 

It's all the same and has been going on for years, yet somehow AT&T has managed to survive and prosper in light of all of these "anti-consumer" practices.  They'll survive this too, I think.  People are always going to be unhappy.

Here's the thing, ever time they have released a new iPhone, it's the same postings on the forums.  When they released the 3G one year after the original, they made all owners of the original iPhone (aka the 2G) eligible (because the first one wasn't subsidized by AT&T or anyone).  The people who had non-iphones under contract were upset with that because they couldn't upgrade, whined that Apple people were special, and threatened to leave since AT&T treated them so poorly. 

 

When the 3GS came out a year later, they allowed anyone with an upgrade date that ended before the end of the year upgrade eligible.  People who's upgrade date was in January were all upset because they got left out and threatened to leave AT&T because AT&T treated them so poorly.

 

When the 4 came out a year later, it was a similar deal (I don't remember exactly since I had skipped the 3GS and was normally eligible anyway).  Once again, some people got an early upgrade and others didn't.  Yet again, the people left out threatened to leave AT&T because they were treated so poorly.

 

Add to all that all the people who threatened to leave as soon as Verizon got the iPhone or those who were upset that AT&T wouldn't unlock their phone.

 

It's all the same and has been going on for years, yet somehow AT&T has managed to survive and prosper in light of all of these "anti-consumer" practices.  They'll survive this too, I think.  People are always going to be unhappy.

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Hi- my upgrade date is also feb 2012. Could someone look into that for me also? This is not a family line and I upgraded last year at iPhone launch. My 2 friends with similar plans who waited with me that day can both upgrade in November. I tried calling 611 but no one could explain it to me.
Hi- my upgrade date is also feb 2012. Could someone look into that for me also? This is not a family line and I upgraded last year at iPhone launch. My 2 friends with similar plans who waited with me that day can both upgrade in November. I tried calling 611 but no one could explain it to me.

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dwill05 wrote:

It's all the same and has been going on for years, yet somehow AT&T has managed to survive and prosper in light of all of these "anti-consumer" practices.  They'll survive this too, I think.  People are always going to be unhappy.


So true. What I'd like to see AT&T do is improve their network. A revamp of their upgrade/subsidy system would also be nice to provide users with options suitable to their usage/upgrade cycle and make it fair for all users - not just those with an iPhone.

 

For example, Vodafone has the following:

 

iPhone 4S 16GB Pricing

 

24-month contract:

 

18-month contract:

 

12-month contract:

 

They also have similar plans for their other phones. I'd like to mention that the iPhone appears to require a much higher subsidy compared to other phones. The Samsung Galaxy S II (which is their most expensive Android), for example, only costs £199 on the £36/mo 300 mins/unli txt/500MB plan (12-month contract) while the iPhone costs £319 with the same contract. That's a difference of £120 which is $186 according to today's exchange rates (according to Google). I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers command lower equipment subsidies from AT&T than Apple does. Seriously, we should be getting the Galaxy S II for free.


dwill05 wrote:

It's all the same and has been going on for years, yet somehow AT&T has managed to survive and prosper in light of all of these "anti-consumer" practices.  They'll survive this too, I think.  People are always going to be unhappy.


So true. What I'd like to see AT&T do is improve their network. A revamp of their upgrade/subsidy system would also be nice to provide users with options suitable to their usage/upgrade cycle and make it fair for all users - not just those with an iPhone.

 

For example, Vodafone has the following:

 

iPhone 4S 16GB Pricing

 

24-month contract:

 

18-month contract:

 

12-month contract:

 

They also have similar plans for their other phones. I'd like to mention that the iPhone appears to require a much higher subsidy compared to other phones. The Samsung Galaxy S II (which is their most expensive Android), for example, only costs £199 on the £36/mo 300 mins/unli txt/500MB plan (12-month contract) while the iPhone costs £319 with the same contract. That's a difference of £120 which is $186 according to today's exchange rates (according to Google). I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers command lower equipment subsidies from AT&T than Apple does. Seriously, we should be getting the Galaxy S II for free.

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dww0311 wrote:

It sounds to me like you are just experiencing sour grapes because you're a high maintenance diva and didn't get what you wanted from AT&T, no offense intended.


none taken ... and I can tell you what you sound to me Smiley Happy no offense intended of course - but I will not stoop to your level.

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

Yes ATT indulged as all for last two-three years - but I think this time around ATT is no longer exclusive - heck even the new IP5 is rumored to be with Sprint now - SOUR GRAPES for ATT methinks Smiley Happy

 


dww0311 wrote:

It sounds to me like you are just experiencing sour grapes because you're a high maintenance diva and didn't get what you wanted from AT&T, no offense intended.


none taken ... and I can tell you what you sound to me Smiley Happy no offense intended of course - but I will not stoop to your level.

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

Yes ATT indulged as all for last two-three years - but I think this time around ATT is no longer exclusive - heck even the new IP5 is rumored to be with Sprint now - SOUR GRAPES for ATT methinks Smiley Happy

 

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Edited by hpsb on Oct 8, 2011 at 9:13:56 AM

dwill05 wrote:

Here's the thing, ever time they have released a new iPhone, it's the same postings on the forums.  .


Good point - but a half truth - to say the least. This time is very different : Only now is that APPLE fans have the WIDEST range of carrier choice EVER. Think about it - take your IP4S from **ANY** carrier. It is compatible with *ALL* major ones - WORLDWIDE.

 

No longer do ppl need to be shackled to ATT - no longer speak up only to realize that there is no where else to go - yes. This time is very very different indeed

 

Smiley Happy


dwill05 wrote:

Here's the thing, ever time they have released a new iPhone, it's the same postings on the forums.  .


Good point - but a half truth - to say the least. This time is very different : Only now is that APPLE fans have the WIDEST range of carrier choice EVER. Think about it - take your IP4S from **ANY** carrier. It is compatible with *ALL* major ones - WORLDWIDE.

 

No longer do ppl need to be shackled to ATT - no longer speak up only to realize that there is no where else to go - yes. This time is very very different indeed

 

Smiley Happy

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Yes - times are a changing - adapt and improve ATT - let's see what you can do for your loyal customers .... you aready have a huge base - build on it - don't let it go from your grasp: Lock in as many as you can b4 the big Sprint IP5 swoops down on your contract expired APPLE fans ...

Yes - times are a changing - adapt and improve ATT - let's see what you can do for your loyal customers .... you aready have a huge base - build on it - don't let it go from your grasp: Lock in as many as you can b4 the big Sprint IP5 swoops down on your contract expired APPLE fans ...

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Edited by hnzw_rui on Oct 8, 2011 at 9:35:15 AM

hpsb wrote:

 

Yes ATT indulged as all for last two-three years - but I think this time around ATT is no longer exclusive - heck even the new IP5 is rumored to be with Sprint now - SOUR GRAPES for ATT methinks Smiley Happy

 


Not so much sour graping, rather they're now giving the same service to iPhone users as they do their other customers. iPhone users, despite complaints, have actually received special treatment from AT&T for the past few years compared to those using other phones. Now that the iPhone is available with other carriers, I reckon AT&T doesn't find the need to offer the 18 million iPhone subscribers better service compared to their other 60~70 million subscribers. Besides, I reckon only a small (but very vocal) minority of the 18 million subscribers are complaining because they can't upgrade at the fully discounted price to Apple's latest and greatest.


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Yes ATT indulged as all for last two-three years - but I think this time around ATT is no longer exclusive - heck even the new IP5 is rumored to be with Sprint now - SOUR GRAPES for ATT methinks Smiley Happy

 


Not so much sour graping, rather they're now giving the same service to iPhone users as they do their other customers. iPhone users, despite complaints, have actually received special treatment from AT&T for the past few years compared to those using other phones. Now that the iPhone is available with other carriers, I reckon AT&T doesn't find the need to offer the 18 million iPhone subscribers better service compared to their other 60~70 million subscribers. Besides, I reckon only a small (but very vocal) minority of the 18 million subscribers are complaining because they can't upgrade at the fully discounted price to Apple's latest and greatest.

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Here's the thing, ever time they have released a new iPhone, it's the same postings on the forums.  .


Good point - but a half truth - to say the least. This time is very different : Only now is that APPLE fans have the WIDEST range of carrier choice EVER. Think about it - take your IP4S from **ANY** carrier. It is compatible with *ALL* major ones - WORLDWIDE.

 

No longer do ppl need to be shackled to ATT - no longer speak up only to realize that there is no where else to go - yes. This time is very very different indeed

 

Smiley Happy


I think it's a bit more than a half-truth.  I was speaking about the postings where people feel entiltled to an early upgrade because they've been with AT&T forever, pay a ton of money per month, have gotten early updates before, and so on, and threaten to leave because they feel they have been treated poorly by AT&T because they can't get an early upgrade.  They are all varients of the same thought process namely, that I'm a special customer and entitled to special treatment and if AT&T doesn't give me what I want, I'll show them by leaving and a ton of other people will go with me, and that will show them!  That is the same every time.

 

True, people do have more options of carriers to use iPhone this time around.  Regardless, I think the results will be about the same. Some people believe that since AT&T now has competition for someone who just wants to use an iPhone, that they will have no choice but to bend over backwards and do whatever it takes to keep each and every iPhone customer on AT&T.  AT&T obviously disagrees.  They apparently believe that enough iPhone users will stay with AT&T and that it no longer makes business sense to make special upgrade exceptions for iPhone users.  The people who are asking for the exceptions are usually doing it for self-serving reasons (i.e. they want and would benefit from an early upgrade) and not because they have any interest in AT&T as a business.  Given that AT&T has been in the phone business for quite a while, I expect they know exactly what they are doing, and probably know more about the business than individuals who are just consumers, but they think know what's best for AT&T.


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dwill05 wrote:

Here's the thing, ever time they have released a new iPhone, it's the same postings on the forums.  .


Good point - but a half truth - to say the least. This time is very different : Only now is that APPLE fans have the WIDEST range of carrier choice EVER. Think about it - take your IP4S from **ANY** carrier. It is compatible with *ALL* major ones - WORLDWIDE.

 

No longer do ppl need to be shackled to ATT - no longer speak up only to realize that there is no where else to go - yes. This time is very very different indeed

 

Smiley Happy


I think it's a bit more than a half-truth.  I was speaking about the postings where people feel entiltled to an early upgrade because they've been with AT&T forever, pay a ton of money per month, have gotten early updates before, and so on, and threaten to leave because they feel they have been treated poorly by AT&T because they can't get an early upgrade.  They are all varients of the same thought process namely, that I'm a special customer and entitled to special treatment and if AT&T doesn't give me what I want, I'll show them by leaving and a ton of other people will go with me, and that will show them!  That is the same every time.

 

True, people do have more options of carriers to use iPhone this time around.  Regardless, I think the results will be about the same. Some people believe that since AT&T now has competition for someone who just wants to use an iPhone, that they will have no choice but to bend over backwards and do whatever it takes to keep each and every iPhone customer on AT&T.  AT&T obviously disagrees.  They apparently believe that enough iPhone users will stay with AT&T and that it no longer makes business sense to make special upgrade exceptions for iPhone users.  The people who are asking for the exceptions are usually doing it for self-serving reasons (i.e. they want and would benefit from an early upgrade) and not because they have any interest in AT&T as a business.  Given that AT&T has been in the phone business for quite a while, I expect they know exactly what they are doing, and probably know more about the business than individuals who are just consumers, but they think know what's best for AT&T.

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I think it's a bit more than a half-truth.  I was speaking about the postings where people feel entiltled to an early upgrade because they've been with AT&T forever, pay a ton of money per month, have gotten early updates before, and so on, and threaten to leave because they feel they have been treated poorly by AT&T because they can't get an early upgrade.  They are all varients of the same thought process namely, that I'm a special customer and entitled to special treatment and if AT&T doesn't give me what I want, I'll show them by leaving and a ton of other people will go with me, and that will show them!  That is the same every time.

 

 


 

Exactly. It boils down to they want to be able to, indeed they feel entitled to, upgrade every time a new phone is released.

 

My answer to that is: select the most expensive rate plan. The more you pay, the quicker you get to upgrade. There is no free lunch, and you are not entitled to upgrades just because you want the shiniest new gadget on the block.


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I think it's a bit more than a half-truth.  I was speaking about the postings where people feel entiltled to an early upgrade because they've been with AT&T forever, pay a ton of money per month, have gotten early updates before, and so on, and threaten to leave because they feel they have been treated poorly by AT&T because they can't get an early upgrade.  They are all varients of the same thought process namely, that I'm a special customer and entitled to special treatment and if AT&T doesn't give me what I want, I'll show them by leaving and a ton of other people will go with me, and that will show them!  That is the same every time.

 

 


 

Exactly. It boils down to they want to be able to, indeed they feel entitled to, upgrade every time a new phone is released.

 

My answer to that is: select the most expensive rate plan. The more you pay, the quicker you get to upgrade. There is no free lunch, and you are not entitled to upgrades just because you want the shiniest new gadget on the block.

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archermoo wrote:
You missed my point.  Yes, I understand the situation you are in.  But a lot of people were in that same situation last year with the iPhone 4, and it still flew off the shelves.  Of course, people made the same predictions last year.  That since the early 3GS adopters wouldn't be buying them the sales would be lower than they were for the 3GS.  Which as it turned out was incorrect.

OK Let me add:

 

June 2009: Got 3GS when it first came out

June 2010: 3GS to IP4 early adopter (no additional fee) - assuming same situation for most (if not all) 3GS adopters - the IP4 flew off the shelves

Oct 2011: IP4 adopters who now wish to do the same as last year need to shell out $250 extra

 

So - 3GS to IP4 within 13 months - no fee (huge rush), but IP4 to IP4S within 17 months - extra $250. What exactly is your point - that it is the same situation as last year ? - It is most certainly not.

 


Certainly not the case for all, and from the activity on this board at the time I'd guess not even most.  These same complaints happened when the 3GS was released, and when the 4 was released.  I got the 3G when it came out.  I was able to get the 3GS when it came out by using my wife's upgrade and passing my 3G on to her.  I was then able to get the 4 on my upgrade and pass the 3GS on to my wife.  And now I've pre-ordered the 4S with her upgrade.  When the 5 comes out I'll be able to pick it up with my upgrade again.  However if I hadn't been able to use my wife's upgrades, I would've had to decide to either pass on the 3GS and the 4S, wait for my upgrades, or pay extra.  Both the 3GS and the 4 had early upgrades available for existing customers who didn't have a regular upgrade, and as I recall they were $200 more than the lowest price.

 

Charging extra for early upgrades is by no means a new thing from AT&T.  So it hardly seems likely that continuing a policy that has been in place for the last two iPhone releases will impact sales in a negative fashion.


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archermoo wrote:
You missed my point.  Yes, I understand the situation you are in.  But a lot of people were in that same situation last year with the iPhone 4, and it still flew off the shelves.  Of course, people made the same predictions last year.  That since the early 3GS adopters wouldn't be buying them the sales would be lower than they were for the 3GS.  Which as it turned out was incorrect.

OK Let me add:

 

June 2009: Got 3GS when it first came out

June 2010: 3GS to IP4 early adopter (no additional fee) - assuming same situation for most (if not all) 3GS adopters - the IP4 flew off the shelves

Oct 2011: IP4 adopters who now wish to do the same as last year need to shell out $250 extra

 

So - 3GS to IP4 within 13 months - no fee (huge rush), but IP4 to IP4S within 17 months - extra $250. What exactly is your point - that it is the same situation as last year ? - It is most certainly not.

 


Certainly not the case for all, and from the activity on this board at the time I'd guess not even most.  These same complaints happened when the 3GS was released, and when the 4 was released.  I got the 3G when it came out.  I was able to get the 3GS when it came out by using my wife's upgrade and passing my 3G on to her.  I was then able to get the 4 on my upgrade and pass the 3GS on to my wife.  And now I've pre-ordered the 4S with her upgrade.  When the 5 comes out I'll be able to pick it up with my upgrade again.  However if I hadn't been able to use my wife's upgrades, I would've had to decide to either pass on the 3GS and the 4S, wait for my upgrades, or pay extra.  Both the 3GS and the 4 had early upgrades available for existing customers who didn't have a regular upgrade, and as I recall they were $200 more than the lowest price.

 

Charging extra for early upgrades is by no means a new thing from AT&T.  So it hardly seems likely that continuing a policy that has been in place for the last two iPhone releases will impact sales in a negative fashion.

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Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  

Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  

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JulienPDX wrote:

Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  


I can't believe that this in any way constitutes a "verbal contract".  Verbal contracts are done with a specific person for a specific deal.  A deal some people got some time in the past isn't binding for the future.  If last year someone buys a 2010 Toyota and gets a $1000 rebate from Toyota, are they now entitled to demand the same $1000 rebate if they buy a 2011 Toyota today?  I don't think so.


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Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  


I can't believe that this in any way constitutes a "verbal contract".  Verbal contracts are done with a specific person for a specific deal.  A deal some people got some time in the past isn't binding for the future.  If last year someone buys a 2010 Toyota and gets a $1000 rebate from Toyota, are they now entitled to demand the same $1000 rebate if they buy a 2011 Toyota today?  I don't think so.

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Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  



I think the precendent argument is only valid during the continuation of a single contract. Each time someone upgrades, they have to sign a brand new contract, I think AT&T can skirt the issue by saying yes, we decided to bend the rules of the last contract with the user, but we (AT&T and the user) entered into the most recent contract and we are only obligated by the terms of the new contract.

 

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but I can see a little wiggle room for AT&T on this one. If someone is more informed about corporate law, please correct me.


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Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  



I think the precendent argument is only valid during the continuation of a single contract. Each time someone upgrades, they have to sign a brand new contract, I think AT&T can skirt the issue by saying yes, we decided to bend the rules of the last contract with the user, but we (AT&T and the user) entered into the most recent contract and we are only obligated by the terms of the new contract.

 

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but I can see a little wiggle room for AT&T on this one. If someone is more informed about corporate law, please correct me.

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Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  


It would be more a case of offering to renogiate an existing written contract by perfecting a new written contract. No state is going to let you make the argument that actions made with regard to negotiating a written contract constitute a separate oral contract.

 

In this case, the agreement between you and AT&T is governed by a written contract. Any changes to that contract based on AT&T offering to renegotiate it in exhange for valuable consideration, which are accepted by you, produces a new written contract, with the old one being voided via the agreement of all involved parties. The "well, if they did it before, they must do it again" argument doesn't fly.

 

There is no mystery about how you get upgrades. AT&T advances you a subsidy when you enter into a contract which allows you to buy a device far below retail cost. AT&T fully intends to recoup that subsidy over the course of its contract with you. Upgrade windows (which can be shorter than the contract term, but never longer) vary depending on how much revenue AT&T gets from your choices regarding rate plan, data plan, messaging plan, optional features, etc. The more revenue that AT&T gets from you, the faster it recoups the subsidy it gave you and the faster you are able to upgrade again. It isn't brain surgery.


JulienPDX wrote:

Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  


It would be more a case of offering to renogiate an existing written contract by perfecting a new written contract. No state is going to let you make the argument that actions made with regard to negotiating a written contract constitute a separate oral contract.

 

In this case, the agreement between you and AT&T is governed by a written contract. Any changes to that contract based on AT&T offering to renegotiate it in exhange for valuable consideration, which are accepted by you, produces a new written contract, with the old one being voided via the agreement of all involved parties. The "well, if they did it before, they must do it again" argument doesn't fly.

 

There is no mystery about how you get upgrades. AT&T advances you a subsidy when you enter into a contract which allows you to buy a device far below retail cost. AT&T fully intends to recoup that subsidy over the course of its contract with you. Upgrade windows (which can be shorter than the contract term, but never longer) vary depending on how much revenue AT&T gets from your choices regarding rate plan, data plan, messaging plan, optional features, etc. The more revenue that AT&T gets from you, the faster it recoups the subsidy it gave you and the faster you are able to upgrade again. It isn't brain surgery.

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JulienPDX wrote:

Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  


written contract supsersed verbal, should only cost you 5 or 10K to have that proven to you, go for it. Polices are posted, in the upgrade advantage web page it states that there is a brochure available in a retail outlet.


JulienPDX wrote:

Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.

 

Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  


written contract supsersed verbal, should only cost you 5 or 10K to have that proven to you, go for it. Polices are posted, in the upgrade advantage web page it states that there is a brochure available in a retail outlet.

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Just so everyone is clear, the subsidized upgrade program is not part of any contract. It is a program ATT offers and is subject to change whenever and for whatever reason they think appropriate. No ATT subscriber signs a contract limiting or garanteeing them a particular upgrade eligibility date. It is simply an ATT policy they can apply as they choose.
Just so everyone is clear, the subsidized upgrade program is not part of any contract. It is a program ATT offers and is subject to change whenever and for whatever reason they think appropriate. No ATT subscriber signs a contract limiting or garanteeing them a particular upgrade eligibility date. It is simply an ATT policy they can apply as they choose.

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Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.
 
Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  




It's not a guessing game. Policies are clearly posted. The logic that just because they "offered something in the past," they must also offer the same the future makes zero sense. They 'cut you a break' at one point. That does not mean they are legally responsible to do it again.
JulienPDX wrote:
Sorry but if you did something "in the past" in most states, its considered an informal verbal contract and you can be held liable if you fail to meet it the following year without some sort of pre-warning.
 
Pro tip for AT&T:   Stop making us play guessing games about how we get upgrades.  Post your policies!!!  




It's not a guessing game. Policies are clearly posted. The logic that just because they "offered something in the past," they must also offer the same the future makes zero sense. They 'cut you a break' at one point. That does not mean they are legally responsible to do it again.

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Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

 

 


The upgrade date for some iPhone 4 users is around March 2012.  The contracts won't expire until June or July 2012, depending on when you activated your iPhone 4.  To leave in March would incur an ETF still.

 

You could always retain your iPhone (and any other phone) when you switch carriers.  The AT&T iPhone will not work fully on any other carrier, even if you unlocked it (AT&T won't unlock it at all).  You can use it on T-Mobile (which may not be around next year), but you will be limited to Edge speeds.  It won't work on VZW or Sprint at all.  You could unlock it and try a pre-paid GSM carrier, but again, you've always had this option.


hpsb wrote:

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

 

 


The upgrade date for some iPhone 4 users is around March 2012.  The contracts won't expire until June or July 2012, depending on when you activated your iPhone 4.  To leave in March would incur an ETF still.

 

You could always retain your iPhone (and any other phone) when you switch carriers.  The AT&T iPhone will not work fully on any other carrier, even if you unlocked it (AT&T won't unlock it at all).  You can use it on T-Mobile (which may not be around next year), but you will be limited to Edge speeds.  It won't work on VZW or Sprint at all.  You could unlock it and try a pre-paid GSM carrier, but again, you've always had this option.

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21stNow wrote:

hpsb wrote:

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

 

 


The upgrade date for some iPhone 4 users is around March 2012.  The contracts won't expire until June or July 2012, depending on when you activated your iPhone 4.  To leave in March would incur an ETF still.

 

You could always retain your iPhone (and any other phone) when you switch carriers.  The AT&T iPhone will not work fully on any other carrier, even if you unlocked it (AT&T won't unlock it at all).  You can use it on T-Mobile (which may not be around next year), but you will be limited to Edge speeds.  It won't work on VZW or Sprint at all.  You could unlock it and try a pre-paid GSM carrier, but again, you've always had this option.


 my contract  expries soon not july or june of 2012  as you are saying for most users..lol @you i upgraded to the Iphone 4 last july 2010,now i am  fully Eligible for iphone 4S discount 16GB model 199$ for me.

 


21stNow wrote:

hpsb wrote:

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

 

 


The upgrade date for some iPhone 4 users is around March 2012.  The contracts won't expire until June or July 2012, depending on when you activated your iPhone 4.  To leave in March would incur an ETF still.

 

You could always retain your iPhone (and any other phone) when you switch carriers.  The AT&T iPhone will not work fully on any other carrier, even if you unlocked it (AT&T won't unlock it at all).  You can use it on T-Mobile (which may not be around next year), but you will be limited to Edge speeds.  It won't work on VZW or Sprint at all.  You could unlock it and try a pre-paid GSM carrier, but again, you've always had this option.


 my contract  expries soon not july or june of 2012  as you are saying for most users..lol @you i upgraded to the Iphone 4 last july 2010,now i am  fully Eligible for iphone 4S discount 16GB model 199$ for me.

 

hello!!!

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graphite07 wrote:

21stNow wrote:

hpsb wrote:

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

 

 


The upgrade date for some iPhone 4 users is around March 2012.  The contracts won't expire until June or July 2012, depending on when you activated your iPhone 4.  To leave in March would incur an ETF still.

 

You could always retain your iPhone (and any other phone) when you switch carriers.  The AT&T iPhone will not work fully on any other carrier, even if you unlocked it (AT&T won't unlock it at all).  You can use it on T-Mobile (which may not be around next year), but you will be limited to Edge speeds.  It won't work on VZW or Sprint at all.  You could unlock it and try a pre-paid GSM carrier, but again, you've always had this option.


 my contract  expries soon not july or june of 2012  as you are saying for most users..lol @you i upgraded to the Iphone 4 last july 2010,now i am  fully Eligible for iphone 4S discount 16GB model 199$ for me.

 


If you upgraded to an iPhone4 last July then your contract isn't over until July 2012.  Being able to upgrade isn't the same thing as your contract being over.


graphite07 wrote:

21stNow wrote:

hpsb wrote:

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

 

 


The upgrade date for some iPhone 4 users is around March 2012.  The contracts won't expire until June or July 2012, depending on when you activated your iPhone 4.  To leave in March would incur an ETF still.

 

You could always retain your iPhone (and any other phone) when you switch carriers.  The AT&T iPhone will not work fully on any other carrier, even if you unlocked it (AT&T won't unlock it at all).  You can use it on T-Mobile (which may not be around next year), but you will be limited to Edge speeds.  It won't work on VZW or Sprint at all.  You could unlock it and try a pre-paid GSM carrier, but again, you've always had this option.


 my contract  expries soon not july or june of 2012  as you are saying for most users..lol @you i upgraded to the Iphone 4 last july 2010,now i am  fully Eligible for iphone 4S discount 16GB model 199$ for me.

 


If you upgraded to an iPhone4 last July then your contract isn't over until July 2012.  Being able to upgrade isn't the same thing as your contract being over.

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archermoo wrote:

graphite07 wrote:

21stNow wrote:

hpsb wrote:

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

 

 


The upgrade date for some iPhone 4 users is around March 2012.  The contracts won't expire until June or July 2012, depending on when you activated your iPhone 4.  To leave in March would incur an ETF still.

 

You could always retain your iPhone (and any other phone) when you switch carriers.  The AT&T iPhone will not work fully on any other carrier, even if you unlocked it (AT&T won't unlock it at all).  You can use it on T-Mobile (which may not be around next year), but you will be limited to Edge speeds.  It won't work on VZW or Sprint at all.  You could unlock it and try a pre-paid GSM carrier, but again, you've always had this option.


 my contract  expries soon not july or june of 2012  as you are saying for most users..lol @you i upgraded to the Iphone 4 last july 2010,now i am  fully Eligible for iphone 4S discount 16GB model 199$ for me.

 


If you upgraded to an iPhone4 last July then your contract isn't over until July 2012.  Being able to upgrade isn't the same thing as your contract being over.



not really it expries soon and not july 2012.


archermoo wrote:

graphite07 wrote:

21stNow wrote:

hpsb wrote:

 

Keeping it civilized: All those are beating the drum - "oh this happens every time..." etc. remember - there is one BIG difference this time - When ur IP4 contract is up (and most will be up around March 2012) - YOU CAN SWITCH CARRIERS **AND** RETAIN A NEW IPHONE. This was not possible in the past - so grumble or not - APPLE fans had no choice.

 

 

 


The upgrade date for some iPhone 4 users is around March 2012.  The contracts won't expire until June or July 2012, depending on when you activated your iPhone 4.  To leave in March would incur an ETF still.

 

You could always retain your iPhone (and any other phone) when you switch carriers.  The AT&T iPhone will not work fully on any other carrier, even if you unlocked it (AT&T won't unlock it at all).  You can use it on T-Mobile (which may not be around next year), but you will be limited to Edge speeds.  It won't work on VZW or Sprint at all.  You could unlock it and try a pre-paid GSM carrier, but again, you've always had this option.


 my contract  expries soon not july or june of 2012  as you are saying for most users..lol @you i upgraded to the Iphone 4 last july 2010,now i am  fully Eligible for iphone 4S discount 16GB model 199$ for me.

 


If you upgraded to an iPhone4 last July then your contract isn't over until July 2012.  Being able to upgrade isn't the same thing as your contract being over.



not really it expries soon and not july 2012.

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