Re: Why won't att unlock the iphone?

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To me this smacks of criminal restraint of trade. What if I bought a subsidized auto from GM, and had to get my fuel and maintenance from GM. But once I own the auto free and clear, then GM has no right to continue to restrain how I use it.

 

I want to use my 3GS on T-Mobile for voice and messaging, with no data plan. I have WiFi everywhere I need access.

 

But now I have to figure out all the RedSnow UltraSnow Cydia yadda yadda stuff. It's not like I want to jailbreak my phone.

 

Sunny Guy

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So what if I want to use my iPhone overseas? What if I move to Europe? ATT is not the only option in the world.

 

Sunny Guy

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Really?? You brought up a post that is almost 2 years old?? If you want to use your phone on t-mobile than buy a t-mobile phone!!!
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AT&T wont unlock the phone because they just won't.

 

Lol this is old news. Theres no way they are going to unlock it.

 

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Old arguments that will not change right now! Use all the logic and justification that you would like but the bottom line is ATT and Apple do not unlock iPhones sold for use on the ATT network. If you want an unlocked iPhone, go to the Apple Store and buy the specific model that they sell that it unlocked. There is not subsidy and no strings attached!
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If GM sold you a $30K car for $12K, would you complain if you had to get your fuel and maintenance services from GM? I don't think so.

 

Good luck with UltraSn0w. If you have any recent version of iOS, you won't be unlocking it. You might succeed with a (likely tethered) jailbreak, but the most recent versions of iOS haven't received an untethered jailbreak or an unlock. And if you don't have your SHSH blobs backed up to Cydia, you're probably completely out of luck.

 


SunnyGuy53 wrote:

To me this smacks of criminal restraint of trade. What if I bought a subsidized auto from GM, and had to get my fuel and maintenance from GM. But once I own the auto free and clear, then GM has no right to continue to restrain how I use it.

 

I want to use my 3GS on T-Mobile for voice and messaging, with no data plan. I have WiFi everywhere I need access.

 

But now I have to figure out all the RedSnow UltraSnow Cydia yadda yadda stuff. It's not like I want to jailbreak my phone.

 

Sunny Guy




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A couple of better questions are why don't people search the forum before posting and why don't people use Google before posting?

 

If you want to unlock your phone and use T-Mobile, the very top search result after Googling 'unlock iPhone 4S' gives step by step instructions. If it works, great. If it doesn't move on to another method.

 

The bottom line is you want a company to do something that they are not willing to do. In this specific case, you can circumvent company policy and accomplish your goal by doing a little work. What I find more disturbing that a years old AT&T policy is the mindset of someone who wants something but is willing to take 'no' for an answer and refuses to pursue other avenues. If you are unwilling to jailbreak your phone, then you don't want to use it on T-Mobile very badly. You have been given the options, you can either whine about how you expect AT&T to do something for you or you can do it yourself.

 

Of all the bad business policies that AT&T has, this has got to be the silliest battle that people choose to fight.

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AT&T will not unlock  your iphone.

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BadBadLeroyBrown wrote:

If GM sold you a $30K car for $12K, would you complain if you had to get your fuel and maintenance services from GM? I don't think so.

 

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An interesting but incorrect assertion.  Many years ago GM and other "inferred" that having your oil changed by anyone other than an approved dealerhsip "might" void the car's warranty.  There were many examples of this in the computer industry also.
After the courts got involved those problems all but disappeared.
Now, I I did buy the car you mentioned, and I kept it till the end of the contract, and GM no longer owned the car (title) then it's mine to do as I please.
This is not the case with an AT&T iphone,  so you need a different example.  I paid for the phone, fulfilled my contract and at&t still dictates what I can do with my property.
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wireless-user wrote:

BadBadLeroyBrown wrote:

If GM sold you a $30K car for $12K, would you complain if you had to get your fuel and maintenance services from GM? I don't think so.

 

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An interesting but incorrect assertion.  Many years ago GM and other "inferred" that having your oil changed by anyone other than an approved dealerhsip "might" void the car's warranty.  There were many examples of this in the computer industry also.
After the courts got involved those problems all but disappeared.
Now, I I did buy the car you mentioned, and I kept it till the end of the contract, and GM no longer owned the car (title) then it's mine to do as I please.
This is not the case with an AT&T iphone,  so you need a different example.  I paid for the phone, fulfilled my contract and at&t still dictates what I can do with my property.


So will verizon and sprint when it comes to the iphone, it is not a lets unlock the phone with no strings attached agreement like every thinks it is

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wingrider01 wrote:

So, will verizon and sprint when it comes to the iphone, it is not a lets unlock the phone with no strings attached agreement like every thinks it is



Well, you added the no strings attached knowing full well there are some minimal requirements..

 

So, the answer for the GSM side is yes, they will unlock it if you meet their minimal requirements, which seem acceptable (to me), account open for 60 days or more and in good standing, and one unlock every 10 months I think it was,  or was that one a Sprint requirement. 

 

Either way, the end result is an unlocked GSM side.  There's no indication they will relock it after your contract expires.  If at&t implemented the same policy the issue would disappear.  Instead, at&t chooses to rip off unsuspecting (inexperienced) global travelers when the bring their at&t iPhone to another country.

 

I can hear the chorus now:  "too bad if they don't understand the Terms of Service"....   Right,  that's why at&t had to make many "accommodations" when these unsuspecting people received phone bills in the thousands of dollars.

 

The OP who injected CDMA into the discussion did so to make a point. OK they CDMA side remains committed to Verizon, so what?  The discussion has (virtually) never been about  the use of unlocked iphones inside the USA.   Sure some people use them somewhat crippled on T-Mob's network,  but they are in the minority.

 

Cheers,

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wireless-user wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

So, will verizon and sprint when it comes to the iphone, it is not a lets unlock the phone with no strings attached agreement like every thinks it is



Well, you added the no strings attached knowing full well there are some minimal requirements..

 

So, the answer for the GSM side is yes, they will unlock it if you meet their minimal requirements, which seem acceptable (to me), account open for 60 days or more and in good standing, and one unlock every 10 months I think it was,  or was that one a Sprint requirement. 

 

Either way, the end result is an unlocked GSM side.  There's no indication they will relock it after your contract expires.  If at&t implemented the same policy the issue would disappear.  Instead, at&t chooses to rip off unsuspecting (inexperienced) global travelers when the bring their at&t iPhone to another country.

 

I can hear the chorus now:  "too bad if they don't understand the Terms of Service"....   Right,  that's why at&t had to make many "accommodations" when these unsuspecting people received phone bills in the thousands of dollars.

 

The OP who injected CDMA into the discussion did so to make a point. OK they CDMA side remains committed to Verizon, so what?  The discussion has (virtually) never been about  the use of unlocked iphones inside the USA.   Sure some people use them somewhat crippled on T-Mob's network,  but they are in the minority.

 

Cheers,


read it again, will highlight the pertinent words

what does it matter on the unlock policy - it does not work on a US carrier. Add to the fact one of the caveats for the unlock is that you maintain a valid and current verizon agreement, so given the wording of the contractual terms it appears that if the agreement is shutdown the phone is locked

 

Bottom line - currently and in the foreseeable future ATT does not and will not unlock a ATT iphone, nothing changes that at the moment. maybe it will change in a couple of years, but for rightn ow it is a dead horse that looks like a pancake since it has been beat on so much

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wireless-user wrote:

BadBadLeroyBrown wrote:

If GM sold you a $30K car for $12K, would you complain if you had to get your fuel and maintenance services from GM? I don't think so.

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
An interesting but incorrect assertion.  Many years ago GM and other "inferred" that having your oil changed by anyone other than an approved dealerhsip "might" void the car's warranty.  There were many examples of this in the computer industry also.
After the courts got involved those problems all but disappeared.
Now, I I did buy the car you mentioned, and I kept it till the end of the contract, and GM no longer owned the car (title) then it's mine to do as I please.
This is not the case with an AT&T iphone,  so you need a different example.  I paid for the phone, fulfilled my contract and at&t still dictates what I can do with my property.

Not that I don't sympathize with your unlock argument, but the car analogy doesn't quite apply...not unless you're gonna offer that you bought your car at a subsidized price; also, I assume that by "contract" you mean a loan contract where a lender offered to cover the purchase cost of the car in exchange for your agreeing to pay back the lender.  AT&T didn't "loan" you money so that you can purchase an iPhone; all they ask for in return for buying one at a subsidized cost is that you agree to a contract to pay for phone services for 2 years...and if you think about it, the "penalty" for breaking the phone services contract is the ETF which cost-wise is substantially less than if you were to fulfill the entire term of the contract...BUT you still get the keep the phone.  OTOH--with a vehicle loan contract, if you break it or otherwise terminate it early, you don't get to keep the car...not unless you offer to pay the balance of the loan at the time of early termination.  Big difference...

 

Also--yes, you can argue that if you fulfilled your contract, then you can do whatever you want with your iPhone as you please; well, you can do whatever you want to your phone.  Just because you can do whatever you please to your own property doesn't mean that someone must be required to assist you in that regard if you ask/tell them to do so.  Bottom line--if you want AT&T to unlock iPhones...write your local congressperson to lobby for legislation to get carriers to unlock phones after the consumer has fulfilled any required obligations.  Yes it's a bummer that AT&T won't unlock iPhones no matter what, but it is what it is...and until someone legislatively forces AT&T's hand, it'll stay that way.

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I'm not making an assertion, per se. I'm asking a question and positing what I think the answer would be. There's no "perfect" analog to this scenario, but the discussions around "ownership" of IP such as software is probably closer to this topic than car ownership would be. So you fulfilled your contract....nowhere in your contract does it state that your phone will be unlocked upon satisfaction of said contract. And I think you hit the nail on the head with your third-party warranty discussion - the car manufacturers and their dealerships refused to honor warranties on autos that had undergone third-party maintenance until Congress stepped in. I don't think the phone unlock situation changing without similar prompting -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wireless user wrote: An interesting but incorrect assertion. Many years ago GM and other "inferred" that having your oil changed by anyone other than an approved dealerhsip "might" void the car's warranty. There were many examples of this in the computer industry also. After the courts got involved those problems all but disappeared. Now, I I did buy the car you mentioned, and I kept it till the end of the contract, and GM no longer owned the car (title) then it's mine to do as I please. This is not the case with an AT&T iphone, so you need a different example. I paid for the phone, fulfilled my contract and at&t still dictates what I can do with my property.
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AT&T will not unlock iPhones because the decision is up to Apple, too. Now, why would Apple not allow their iPhones to be unlocked, who knows? Probably because they want you to buy another one if you want to go to a different carrier that offers the exact same phone.

I very much respect Apple and their products, but their company is so locked down. Perhaps that's why I prefer Google's Android OS where all of their phones are available to be unlocked. Don't get me wrong - I still very much enjoy using my iPhone and may get a newer version to replace both my 3GS and my Android phone.

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