Lack of 3G Toggle in ios 5.1 release for AT&T

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Lack of 3G Toggle in ios 5.1 release for AT&T

AT&T has outdone itself by being the only carrier to not include the 3G toggle switch in the ios 5.1 update for the iphone 4S.  If this is the stance taken, then the coverage needs to be dratically increased to be able to get a signal where only the EDGE network can currently penetrate.  Verizon or Sprint are looking like great candidates to get my business on the next iPhone I will be purchasing in the next 30 days. 

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I saw it listed on the update and have been looking for it the last 2 days.

Here is a pic of it on a 5.1 beta mode 3G Enable In IOS 5.1 Beta 3 For The IPhone 4S

I went from 3GS to 4S and that was a great option. I had a toggle switch on my screen of my 3GS and would turn it off when the phone was not in use. My battery would last close to a week, some people couldn't believe me and i used the phone a lot on wifi. Once the 4S was in my hand, the battery died the next day. I found a website where you can have a toggle switch on the screen. So i have it for wifi and data. It is on Lifehacker and my phone is not jailbroken to do this by the way.

So with data connection off, text messages come in and so do calls, but I don't get a notice of voicemails. My Google account might be messing that up, who knows.

Would be nice if this had it like the 3GS did so the battery would last longer.

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dwill05 wrote:
What's in it for AT&T to delete the 3G toggle? It's still there on the iPhone 4, even with iOS 5.1. What sinister intent that's advantageous to AT&T would there be behind AT&T making Apple delete the toggle on the 4S only?


Unless it is hiding someplace that is not in obvious it is not on the verizon 4S either. Can;t find it

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auxiliary wrote:

I saw it listed on the update and have been looking for it the last 2 days.

Here is a pic of it on a 5.1 beta mode 3G Enable In IOS 5.1 Beta 3 For The IPhone 4S

I went from 3GS to 4S and that was a great option. I had a toggle switch on my screen of my 3GS and would turn it off when the phone was not in use. My battery would last close to a week, some people couldn't believe me and i used the phone a lot on wifi. Once the 4S was in my hand, the battery died the next day. I found a website where you can have a toggle switch on the screen. So i have it for wifi and data. It is on Lifehacker and my phone is not jailbroken to do this by the way.

So with data connection off, text messages come in and so do calls, but I don't get a notice of voicemails. My Google account might be messing that up, who knows.

Would be nice if this had it like the 3GS did so the battery would last longer.



key word - beta, in software development not everything that is plugged into beta makes it to RTM

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auxiliary wrote:

I saw it listed on the update and have been looking for it the last 2 days.

Here is a pic of it on a 5.1 beta mode 3G Enable In IOS 5.1 Beta 3 For The IPhone 4S

I went from 3GS to 4S and that was a great option. I had a toggle switch on my screen of my 3GS and would turn it off when the phone was not in use. My battery would last close to a week, some people couldn't believe me and i used the phone a lot on wifi. Once the 4S was in my hand, the battery died the next day. I found a website where you can have a toggle switch on the screen. So i have it for wifi and data. It is on Lifehacker and my phone is not jailbroken to do this by the way.

So with data connection off, text messages come in and so do calls, but I don't get a notice of voicemails. My Google account might be messing that up, who knows.

Would be nice if this had it like the 3GS did so the battery would last longer.


The integrated 3G chipset on the 4s does not support powering down 3G radio if put into Edge only mode. That's the only purpose of the switch. In beta, they regressed the test in software for "4s, on GSM" so the switch reappeared. They fixed that bug before it shipped.

 

If the switch was there, it would indeed force the 4s to use Edge only. The 3G side of the radio would still be powered up, and you would have exactly the same battery life, just slower speeds. Pointless. That's why its not there.

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johninsj wrote:

The integrated 3G chipset on the 4s does not support powering down 3G radio if put into Edge only mode. That's the only purpose of the switch. In beta, they regressed the test in software for "4s, on GSM" so the switch reappeared. They fixed that bug before it shipped.

 

If the switch was there, it would indeed force the 4s to use Edge only. The 3G side of the radio would still be powered up, and you would have exactly the same battery life, just slower speeds. Pointless. That's why its not there.


It's only pointless if you are trying to save battery life.  There are many real world situations where the 3G signal is weaker than the 2G EDGE signal and it is preferable to have the device not keep seeking out a weaker signal and lock on to a slower but more reliable one.  In these types of situations there is a very good point in having the switch available.

There are also situations where the 3G network is saturated and no connectivity is possible.  By manually switching to 2G a connection then becomes possible.

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johninsj wrote:

auxiliary wrote:

I saw it listed on the update and have been looking for it the last 2 days.

Here is a pic of it on a 5.1 beta mode 3G Enable In IOS 5.1 Beta 3 For The IPhone 4S

I went from 3GS to 4S and that was a great option. I had a toggle switch on my screen of my 3GS and would turn it off when the phone was not in use. My battery would last close to a week, some people couldn't believe me and i used the phone a lot on wifi. Once the 4S was in my hand, the battery died the next day. I found a website where you can have a toggle switch on the screen. So i have it for wifi and data. It is on Lifehacker and my phone is not jailbroken to do this by the way.

So with data connection off, text messages come in and so do calls, but I don't get a notice of voicemails. My Google account might be messing that up, who knows.

Would be nice if this had it like the 3GS did so the battery would last longer.


The integrated 3G chipset on the 4s does not support powering down 3G radio if put into Edge only mode. That's the only purpose of the switch. In beta, they regressed the test in software for "4s, on GSM" so the switch reappeared. They fixed that bug before it shipped.

 

If the switch was there, it would indeed force the 4s to use Edge only. The 3G side of the radio would still be powered up, and you would have exactly the same battery life, just slower speeds. Pointless. That's why its not there.


So does your comment imply that the 3G radio does turn off on an iPhone that does have the 3G Toggle option?  I ask because on the iPhone 3/3GS/4 running iOS 4.x, it states below the "Enable 3G" toggle that "Using 3G loads data faster, but may decrease battery life", thus clearly implying that turning it off may help save battery life--i.e., battery life may not decrease as rapidly as it would if the 3G toggle is set to ON.

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The point I get out of the above post is that the chip in the 4S is different and you can't actually turn off the 3G radio, hence the option is deleted. The 3/GS/4 have a different chip where you can turn off the 3G radio, with reducing battery draw as a consequence.
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anton697 wrote:

johninsj wrote:

auxiliary wrote:

I saw it listed on the update and have been looking for it the last 2 days.

Here is a pic of it on a 5.1 beta mode 3G Enable In IOS 5.1 Beta 3 For The IPhone 4S

I went from 3GS to 4S and that was a great option. I had a toggle switch on my screen of my 3GS and would turn it off when the phone was not in use. My battery would last close to a week, some people couldn't believe me and i used the phone a lot on wifi. Once the 4S was in my hand, the battery died the next day. I found a website where you can have a toggle switch on the screen. So i have it for wifi and data. It is on Lifehacker and my phone is not jailbroken to do this by the way.

So with data connection off, text messages come in and so do calls, but I don't get a notice of voicemails. My Google account might be messing that up, who knows.

Would be nice if this had it like the 3GS did so the battery would last longer.


The integrated 3G chipset on the 4s does not support powering down 3G radio if put into Edge only mode. That's the only purpose of the switch. In beta, they regressed the test in software for "4s, on GSM" so the switch reappeared. They fixed that bug before it shipped.

 

If the switch was there, it would indeed force the 4s to use Edge only. The 3G side of the radio would still be powered up, and you would have exactly the same battery life, just slower speeds. Pointless. That's why its not there.


So does your comment imply that the 3G radio does turn off on an iPhone that does have the 3G Toggle option?  I ask because on the iPhone 3/3GS/4 running iOS 4.x, it states below the "Enable 3G" toggle that "Using 3G loads data faster, but may decrease battery life", thus clearly implying that turning it off may help save battery life--i.e., battery life may not decrease as rapidly as it would if the 3G toggle is set to ON.


The power savings isn't from loading the same amount of data, slower. It's from using the lower powered edge radio chipset on the iPhone4, and powering off the 3G chipset. On the iPhone4s, its the same chip - there is no power difference, the 3G chip is always on unless you are in airplane mode.

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Don't understand the hubbub about this. It's been this way since the 4S was released last year. Why is this a surprise now?
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So what are we to do if this is never resolved?  I really need the option to turn off 3G with my iPhone 4s.  For me, not only does it save battery life but it gets me a much better signal.  

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File a suggestion with Apple then. http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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dwill05 wrote:
The point I get out of the above post is that the chip in the 4S is different and you can't actually turn off the 3G radio, hence the option is deleted. The 3/GS/4 have a different chip where you can turn off the 3G radio, with reducing battery draw as a consequence.

Except as of iOS 5.1, Apple added the 3G toggle to the 4S for every carrier *except* AT&T. The beta had it enabled, and the toggle worked. Jailbroken phones can also disable 3G just fine. It's not a hardware limitation. 

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TerraPhantm wrote:

dwill05 wrote:
The point I get out of the above post is that the chip in the 4S is different and you can't actually turn off the 3G radio, hence the option is deleted. The 3/GS/4 have a different chip where you can turn off the 3G radio, with reducing battery draw as a consequence.

Except as of iOS 5.1, Apple added the 3G toggle to the 4S for every carrier *except* AT&T. The beta had it enabled, and the toggle worked. Jailbroken phones can also disable 3G just fine. It's not a hardware limitation. 


We utilzie Verizon and Sprint Iphones in addition to ATT Iphones on the business account - the latest drop of the IOS for them do not have this so called toggle, it may have been in beta but that does not mean it is accessable in the RTM drop of the code - scream at  Apple not at the carrier if you want it.

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TerraPhantm wrote:

dwill05 wrote:
The point I get out of the above post is that the chip in the 4S is different and you can't actually turn off the 3G radio, hence the option is deleted. The 3/GS/4 have a different chip where you can turn off the 3G radio, with reducing battery draw as a consequence.

Except as of iOS 5.1, Apple added the 3G toggle to the 4S for every carrier *except* AT&T. The beta had it enabled, and the toggle worked. Jailbroken phones can also disable 3G just fine. It's not a hardware limitation. 


I can repeat it again, slower, with smaller words.

 

You can force a 4s to only use Edge.

 

The 3G side of the chip will remain powered on, drawing power, so there is no battery advantage

 

Apple chose to reduce confusion by not having the switch that does mostly nothing in the UI, in the final release.

 

Send a suggestion to Apple to re-enable the useless 3G switch in the 4s.

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.
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wingrider01 wrote:

TerraPhantm wrote:

dwill05 wrote:
The point I get out of the above post is that the chip in the 4S is different and you can't actually turn off the 3G radio, hence the option is deleted. The 3/GS/4 have a different chip where you can turn off the 3G radio, with reducing battery draw as a consequence.

Except as of iOS 5.1, Apple added the 3G toggle to the 4S for every carrier *except* AT&T. The beta had it enabled, and the toggle worked. Jailbroken phones can also disable 3G just fine. It's not a hardware limitation. 


We utilzie Verizon and Sprint Iphones in addition to ATT Iphones on the business account - the latest drop of the IOS for them do not have this so called toggle, it may have been in beta but that does not mean it is accessable in the RTM drop of the code - scream at  Apple not at the carrier if you want it.



There is a world outside the United States. O2 UK, Vodaphone, Rogers, etc... all have the 3G toggle enabled. Doing some research, the only other GSM carriers I could find without the 3G toggle are some smaller European carriers that don't have a native 2G network (so forcing 2G would also be forcing roaming). In the case of those carriers, the setting is disabled on previous generation phones too. Ergo, the setting is controlled by the AT&T carrier file. I bet sending a custom ipcc would re-enable the toggle, unless it's one of those things that requires a valid signature.

 

iPhones running on CDMA don't have a disable 3G option, as it wouldn't really make sense in that context. 

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