Important reminder: Unauthorized iPhone unlocking ? Where is the Authorized Iphone unlocking?

Important reminder: Unauthorized iPhone unlocking ? Where is the Authorized Iphone unlocking?

How is it legal that an off contract Iphone in the usa won't be unlocked by ATT?  Can someone show me a legal document or court case regarding this? Thanks

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digitallysick wrote:

How is it legal that an off contract Iphone in the usa won't be unlocked by ATT?  Can someone show me a legal document or court case regarding this? Thanks


 

There is no law requiring them to unlock it and there is no law that says they can't unlock it....How can anyone show you a law or court case that does not exist?  It is the policy of Apple and/or ATT that iPhones purchased in the USA will not be unlocked even outside of a contract.

 

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digitallysick wrote:

How is it legal that an off contract Iphone in the usa won't be unlocked by ATT?  Can someone show me a legal document or court case regarding this? Thanks


 

You need to be more specific about what your actually talking about.  There are two types of unlocking:

Subsidy - Allows your phone to work on other carriers on other carriers using a different SIM card

Jailbreaking - Allows you to run unauthorized applications.

 

As stated there is nothing mandating that ATT or Apple must provide a subsidy unlock for the iPhone so it can be used on other carriers. 

 

Unlocking via Jailbraking like this announcement only means its against Apples licensing agreement and by doing so you will void any warranty and support on the device. (although they are fighting the ruling below to the DMCA)

http://forums.att.com/t5/Apple/Important-reminder-Unauthorized-iPhone-unlocking/td-p/1628240 

Thats the unauthorized.

 

However The Librarian of Congress and the Copyright Office ruled that jailbraking is no longer illegal per the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).  

 

While that is now legal, Apple is not required to provide support for the device anymore thus the reason for the warning to ensure people understand the risk they are taking and the support they will no longer receive.

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Once again, as clearly stated, Unlocking (not jailbreaking)

 

How can ATT legally control a phone that I own in full without providing an unlock code. So I can use it with sim card carriers in other countries . 

 

Canada and the UK , and I would guess most every other country that carries the Iphone has the unlocked versions. I believe it is Against the law in the uk to sell locked phones , or to refuse unlocks. 

 

It would be as if I sold you a car, and then told you that you can only drive it on 1 road.  Terms and condtions are meaningless once I own in full a product.  Another company or person can't control what I use it for legally

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digitallysick wrote:

Once again, as clearly stated, Unlocking (not jailbreaking)

 

How can ATT legally control a phone that I own in full without providing an unlock code. So I can use it with sim card carriers in other countries . 

 

Canada and the UK , and I would guess most every other country that carries the Iphone has the unlocked versions. I believe it is Against the law in the uk to sell locked phones , or to refuse unlocks. 

 

It would be as if I sold you a car, and then told you that you can only drive it on 1 road.  Terms and condtions are meaningless once I own in full a product.  Another company or person can't control what I use it for legally


It may seem that way, however neither Apple nor AT&T will unlock an iPhone. Other carriers (ouside of USA) will after the end of a commitment, but not AT&T. There is no Federal law to require the unlocking, so it is not done. While we may not like it, it is perfectly legal in this country. It will take an Act of Congress to require the iPhone to be unlocked, and I don't see that happening. Perhaps as more carriers get the iPhone, the policy will change. Espececially now that excusivity is gone. AT&T no longer has exclsive rights to the phone, and Verizon does not have exclusivity for the CDMA version.

 

As of now, Singapore & Israel are the only countries in the world that forbid SIM locking and contract/phone bundling outright. Others may unlock after a specific period.

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digitallysick wrote:

Once again, as clearly stated, Unlocking (not jailbreaking)

 

How can ATT legally control a phone that I own in full without providing an unlock code. So I can use it with sim card carriers in other countries . 

 

Canada and the UK , and I would guess most every other country that carries the Iphone has the unlocked versions. I believe it is Against the law in the uk to sell locked phones , or to refuse unlocks. 

 

It would be as if I sold you a car, and then told you that you can only drive it on 1 road.  Terms and condtions are meaningless once I own in full a product.  Another company or person can't control what I use it for legally


 

There are many countries that don't sell unlocked iPhones, and others that won't unlock them either.  In any case, as has been stated many, many time before on this forum that there is no law in the US requiring US carriers to unlock cell phones.  The iPhone has been locked to AT&T for the over 3 1/2 years of their existence, and no one has been successful in legally compelling either AT&T or Apple to unlock it, regarding of how compelling the arguement for doing it is.

 

How can they refuse?  Simple, they just say no.  It is your phone and you can do with it what you want, including unlocking it.  However, they are under no legal obligation to do it for you.  They can't stop you, but they don't have to help you either.  Regardless of how wrong that sounds, that's the way it is.

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digitallysick wrote:

 

Canada and the UK , and I would guess most every other country that carries the Iphone has the unlocked versions. I believe it is Against the law in the uk to sell locked phones , or to refuse unlocks. 

 


That's nice, but we are not in the UK, we are in the US.  AT&T and Apple are free to sell the device as they please.  You are free to purchase that device and do with it as you please, but there are under no obilgation to assist you in ANY way if you jailbreak or unofficially unlock the device.

 

Don't like it?  Well, don't buy it.

 

No one is {Inappropriate comment edited} forcing you to buy an iPhone, use an iPhone, or deal with Apple or AT&T.

 

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Show me a law that states that carriers are required to unlock any phones.

 

 


digitallysick wrote:

How is it legal that an off contract Iphone in the usa won't be unlocked by ATT?  Can someone show me a legal document or court case regarding this? Thanks


 

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As usual, the unlock discussion is always a circular discussion.

 

Not wanting to dredge that up again, there is one interesting anomaly in the nomenclature:

 

They use the term "Subsidy Lock" which implies the customer's price for the phone is "subsidized" by the carrier, which it is.

 

Yet, when you buy an iPhone from Apple without a "subsidy" or carrier discount (at full retail),  the phone is still locked to AT&T...    Seems odd, doesn't it...??

 

 

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wireless-user wrote:

As usual, the unlock discussion is always a circular discussion.

 

Not wanting to dredge that up again, there is one interesting anomaly in the nomenclature:

 

They use the term "Subsidy Lock" which implies the customer's price for the phone is "subsidized" by the carrier, which it is.

 

Yet, when you buy an iPhone from Apple without a "subsidy" or carrier discount (at full retail),  the phone is still locked to AT&T...    Seems odd, doesn't it...??

 

 


Neither ATT or Apple will unlock a iphone, cash price or not. Even if they did there is a stipulation in the contract that you have active service with the phone you want unlocked for a specific length of time - forget if it s 10 months or a year.

 

Bottom line - wait  couple of years and the unlock restriction might be off. And no it does not seem "odd" at all. The network, their rules

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Here is the class action settlement info against ATT requring that they unlock phones upon request after 90 days of service

 

{link removed}

 

If the Usa iphone is taken to singapore, will they unlock it? I read about a guy that had a usa iphone and went to finland and they unlocked it there

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digitallysick wrote:

Here is the class action settlement info against ATT requring that they unlock phones upon request after 90 days of service

 

{link removed}

 

If the Usa iphone is taken to singapore, will they unlock it? I read about a guy that had a usa iphone and went to finland and they unlocked it there


first line of the article

 

AT&T has reached a class-action settlement that will let customers unlock phones tied to the carrier - though that does not include Apple's iPhone, with which AT&T has an exclusive contract.

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digitallysick wrote:

 

 

If the Usa iphone is taken to singapore, will they unlock it? I read about a guy that had a usa iphone and went to finland and they unlocked it there


If it was unlocked in Finland, it was not done in an official way.  Google is your friend if you want a USA iphone unlocked.  There is no official way to do it if you bought your iPHone in the USA.

 

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For service or support questions including existing order status, call:
Customer Support: 1-800-331-0500

Information on iPhone unlocking can be found here by copying this link into your browser:
https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/client/en_US/
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digitallysick wrote:

Here is the class action settlement info against ATT requring that they unlock phones upon request after 90 days of service

 

{link removed}

 

If the Usa iphone is taken to singapore, will they unlock it? I read about a guy that had a usa iphone and went to finland and they unlocked it there


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I don't know why the moderators removed the news link.

 

I had to google to find it, but I was able to read it.

 

In my opinion this is not much of a discussion of legal matters, especially since the person who posted the link misunderstood (or didn't read the entire article) and missed the part that any phone under an exclusivity contract, 10 months or longer (which describes the iPhone) is exempt from the unlock.

 

The extreme over sensitivity of the forum moderators can be counter productive.

 

More over the article proved the point of some of the other posts, while AT&T (and Apple) could provide an unlock code for the iPhone, they currently won't.

 

I would guess that for all pre-iPhone4 models this will change within the next 12 months.  I'd have to assume that for the latest models of iPhone (the 4 and the upcomming 5), that AT&T will probably retain their locking policies until they become considered 'old tech' as new models come out.

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