For those complaining about Tethering charges....

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For those complaining about Tethering charges....

There are several posts saying that they think ATT has no right to charge more for tethering because you pay for an unlimited data plan.

Let's make something (obvious to me) very clear

1. You pay for unlimited for the device you have registered with them. One device.

2. If you had two iphones, you'd be paying for 2 unlimited data plans. Two Devices = 2 Data plans

If 1 and 2 are true - you have to accept that allowing tethering is opening up more than your ONE device to their bandwidth for which they have EVERY right to charge additional fees for.

Again - you are paying to access the net on ONE device. Tethering allows other devices in ADDITION to your phone to access their network.

So... can we stop with all the complaining or implying that ATT has no right or it's stupid of them to charge extra?

Look at Disney for example. If I pay for an unlimited 1-day park hopper - that entitles ME to go on all the rides. I can't leave at 2pm and then give my ticket to someone else.

If I go to an all you can eat buffet, that doesn't entitle me to take food home, give their food away to other people in the restaurant or worse, go into the kitchen and help myself to whatever they have

...and no. I don't work for ATT nor do I think they are perfect.
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well samcraig...here's your problem...you have common sense.  there's a large number of folks on this board that want something for nothing (in fact, they appear to feel they are entitled to something for nothing) and will complain about absolutely anything if given then slightest opportunity.  let's face it..Apple has produced a great phone with a ton of cool features.  granted there are enhancements i'd like to see myself but i'm not going to whine & complain about it...just sit back and enjoy what i have.  i'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with next year.  in the meantime...i'll enjoy my 3G.

 

to those of you that live for tethering...go somewhere else....who needs ya anyway?!

 

BTW...just as samcraig, i'm not a Apple/AT&T employee....just a satisfied customer.

 

also wanted to add that luckily there are some good folks on this board that are very helpful.  i've been helped several times and am grateful.

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i can honestly say that i hope apple takes a year off.  all this clutter on the boards from the elitist iPhone owners thinking they are entitled to something for nothing, or that the normal rules do not apply to them is getting real old.  and with the precedent being set that at&t will roll over to these demands I only hope that blackberry owners will rise up and require to be able to break their contract in order to get the newest phone out there.  but like you said ecugolf we all have a thing called common sense, not to mention knowing what it means to live up to your word and honor your contracts.  oh well here i go iPhone bashing, i just can't help it though.  I look at steven jobs and alli ever see is a whiny* little guy crying because Bill Gates took his software and made it into something first and got the big bucks doing so.  Now i am not a gates fan or jobs fan, nor as previously posted am i employed by apple or at&t.

 

*maybe that is where the iPhone users get the thought to whine, maybe it is something built into the phones, lol  Smiley Wink

 

also would point out that not all iPhone users are whiners and i applaud y'all that are not!

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I could see your point if both the iPhone and the tethered device were accessing data simultaneously.  For example someone browsing, watching videos on the iPhone while another tethered device were doing the same. You are then actually increasing data usage significantly. With someone such as myself it would be used mainly as a means of using the larger display and keyboard of my laptop and even then only in very few situations. I can think of one time this year that I might have used tethering had it been available.

 

Still the actual fee is not known yet. If its reasonable then I dont have a problem but an additional $20 or $30 a month fee would be outrageous. $10 or less would be acceptable to me.

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The problem is - there are going to be people that abuse the plan and ATT has to plan for all scenarios.

You might use it lightly - and your neighbor might be utorrenting up the ying-yang

 

And since I'm not positive ATT would be able to differentiate tether data vs regular data, they may have to charge something comperable ($30)

 

time will tell

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i agree with you bmsrn.  i'm sure there are times that i'd use tethering (e.g., in an airport).  maybe AT&T can come up with a tiered pricing structure based on usage.  discounting the existing $30 data plan for light users would be a benefit but the current rate is acceptable to me.  i wouldn't pay more than $30 given my current usage just can't justify it. 

 

having the option to tether would be nice but none of the options we don't currently have are worth the constant whining people do on this board.  besides, tethering will be available soon.

 

clowry brought up another good point.  what happened to the time honored tradition of following through on a signed contract??  maybe an option to pay a reasonable fee to get out of your current contract with the promise of signing another 2 year agreement would be acceptable to some...just a thought.

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Samcraig...  I see your point.  But... I pay a flat 30 dollars a month from my Cable operator for unlimited internet, no matter how many computer I have on it.

 

I also pay for a 45 dollar Internet Plan compared to the 30, so all the devices on my family plan can have access to the internet including my Wife's phone.  So with your logic.  I should not have to pay extra for Tethering?  Correct?

 

I also pay 30 dollars for unlimited texting for all the devices on my family plan.  When you consider the small charge for whole sale airwaves, internet usage per any typical internet provider and the very minimal air time usage for a SMS message.   I think they are getting plenty of my money.

 

I don't disagree with you.  But I can not agree with you either.   There should be a middle ground on the tethering.

 

I love AT&T..  I have had great Service.  I love my iPhone.  I will keep buying them as long as they make them.  But I don't think tethering another device to my phone is going to swamp their network.

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Coop1701 wrote:

Samcraig...  I see your point.  But... I pay a flat 30 dollars a month from my Cable operator for unlimited internet, no matter how many computer I have on it.

 

I also pay for a 45 dollar Internet Plan compared to the 30, so all the devices on my family plan can have access to the internet including my Wife's phone.  So with your logic.  I should not have to pay extra for Tethering?  Correct?

 

I also pay 30 dollars for unlimited texting for all the devices on my family plan.  When you consider the small charge for whole sale airwaves, internet usage per any typical internet provider and the very minimal air time usage for a SMS message.   I think they are getting plenty of my money.

 

I don't disagree with you.  But I can not agree with you either.   There should be a middle ground on the tethering.

 

I love AT&T..  I have had great Service.  I love my iPhone.  I will keep buying them as long as they make them.  But I don't think tethering another device to my phone is going to swamp their network.


You can not compare CABLE internet to Cellular Internet.  They are entirely 2 different things. Second, tethering accesses data differently than you browser on your phone does.  Again, entirely 2 different things.  Keep watching, Time Warner Cable, ComCast already are in the works to start charging you for USAGE.  The days of Unlimited Internet from your cable provider are soon to be over.

 

 

REALLY.. AT&T has a FAMILY UNLIMITED INTERNET plan?  Since when?  and for only $45.  I am getting @#$$# by them then, I pay 60 a month for just 2 iPhones on my Family Plan, and I have 3 other phones on it. I would love to have internet for all my phones.

 

One question for you, if you bought another smart phone, since it already has the capability of tethering, you would be paying for the phones ability to get on the internet (data plan) and if you tethered with it, you would be playing for that (tethering).  So, again, I agree, why do the APPLE iPhone people think they deserve better than the other smart phones.  The AT&T Tilt case just as much as the first iPhone did, but the people that bought it didn't get any breaks, so why should iPhone users?

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Coop1701 wrote:

Samcraig...  I see your point.  But... I pay a flat 30 dollars a month from my Cable operator for unlimited internet, no matter how many computer I have on it.

 

I also pay for a 45 dollar Internet Plan compared to the 30, so all the devices on my family plan can have access to the internet including my Wife's phone.  So with your logic.  I should not have to pay extra for Tethering?  Correct?

 

I also pay 30 dollars for unlimited texting for all the devices on my family plan.  When you consider the small charge for whole sale airwaves, internet usage per any typical internet provider and the very minimal air time usage for a SMS message.   I think they are getting plenty of my money.

 

I don't disagree with you.  But I can not agree with you either.   There should be a middle ground on the tethering.

 

I love AT&T..  I have had great Service.  I love my iPhone.  I will keep buying them as long as they make them.  But I don't think tethering another device to my phone is going to swamp their network.


 

I think you may be missing the point here.  You already have internet access for home so you DON'T NEED to tether.  But for those who do not, then they should pay a little more for that ADDED convenience, right?  And that is what we are talking about here -- convenience.  PC's will pull in more data than phones...generally speaking.  So that extra bandwidth should be paid for.  I have internet access at home, AND I pay for a PDA Data Plan.  Do I need both?  Probably not.  But if I'm out somewhere and need to look something up on the net or Google on my phone, I know I have it.  It's convenient.
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I can compare the 2...  Internet is internet.   The only thing that it's using extra of, is the signal which they got for free from the US Gov't. 

 

When I signed up for my Iphone.  I was given the option 30 dollars for unlimited internet or 45 for the Enterprise Internet access.   They sale rep explained they could share that in the same way you can get unlimited texts on a single line for 20 or on the family plan for 30.  I checked and the 45 dollar thing does not exist as a option anymore.   But it was, and my wife enjoys it.

 

I was not trying to provoke you into a arguement.  I'm just saying, I can compare different internet services.  Whether it be over the air, or via cable. 

 

I'm not planning on tethering anyway.  So in the grand scheme of things.  It doesn't matter to me.

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Coop1701 wrote:

I can compare the 2...  Internet is internet.   The only thing that it's using extra of, is the signal which they got for free from the US Gov't. 

 

When I signed up for my Iphone.  I was given the option 30 dollars for unlimited internet or 45 for the Enterprise Internet access.   They sale rep explained they could share that in the same way you can get unlimited texts on a single line for 20 or on the family plan for 30.  I checked and the 45 dollar thing does not exist as a option anymore.   But it was, and my wife enjoys it.

 

I was not trying to provoke you into a arguement.  I'm just saying, I can compare different internet services.  Whether it be over the air, or via cable. 

 

I'm not planning on tethering anyway.  So in the grand scheme of things.  It doesn't matter to me.


 

same thing with the blackberry

 

blackberry personal 35.00

blackberry w/ tethering 65.00 max 5gb

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Coop1701 wrote:

I can compare the 2...  Internet is internet.   The only thing that it's using extra of, is the signal which they got for free from the US Gov't. 

 

When I signed up for my Iphone.  I was given the option 30 dollars for unlimited internet or 45 for the Enterprise Internet access.   They sale rep explained they could share that in the same way you can get unlimited texts on a single line for 20 or on the family plan for 30.  I checked and the 45 dollar thing does not exist as a option anymore.   But it was, and my wife enjoys it.

 

I was not trying to provoke you into a arguement.  I'm just saying, I can compare different internet services.  Whether it be over the air, or via cable. 

 

I'm not planning on tethering anyway.  So in the grand scheme of things.  It doesn't matter to me.


I know your not trying to provoke an arguement.  But if you say Internet is Internet. Your right, but Internet Access via the phone is not Internet Access via Cable Modem.  Also, your not paying for the INTERNET, your paying for ACCESS from some provider to the internet.  In this case, AT&T you pay for the service (Data Plan) for your phone to access the FREE internet. Understand what I am getting at?  I can understand how you feel that AT&T tells you that you have unlimited internet from your PHONE and you want that to mean from anything that is connected to your Phone also, but that is not how they work.  And there isn't anything stating they have to work that way.  They can charge you what ever they want to charge you. YOu always have a choice not to stay with AT&T....but my guess it's pretty much a standard for most cellular compains, they have a Data Plan and a Tethering Plan.  Kinda sucks, but it's life.

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I still have to agree with the idea that it is wrong for them to charge us extra. The $30 I pay to have internet on my phone, even if its just my phone, maxes at about 1.5 meg download. Just for a good number, lets say I average 2 gig a month. Mute point, really, since its unlimited anyway. Now, why pay $30 more, to connect another device, max at 5 gig, and its going to slice your bandwith in half? At any rate, the PHONE is what is connected to their network, not the computer that is connected to the phone. Its still one device on their network, not 2. And still, its only going to ever transfer as much data as the PHONE allows, nothing more, nothing less. So again, why do we have to pay more, for a feature that is part of the device that was sold to us? IMO, its like buying a vehicle, and getting charged a usage fee to run the AC/Heat....but this is my opinion, and just to point out, its not just iPhone people that do not agree with this "method" of business.
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circuitdragon wrote:
I still have to agree with the idea that it is wrong for them to charge us extra. The $30 I pay to have internet on my phone, even if its just my phone, maxes at about 1.5 meg download. Just for a good number, lets say I average 2 gig a month. Mute point, really, since its unlimited anyway. Now, why pay $30 more, to connect another device, max at 5 gig, and its going to slice your bandwith in half? At any rate, the PHONE is what is connected to their network, not the computer that is connected to the phone. Its still one device on their network, not 2. And still, its only going to ever transfer as much data as the PHONE allows, nothing more, nothing less. So again, why do we have to pay more, for a feature that is part of the device that was sold to us? IMO, its like buying a vehicle, and getting charged a usage fee to run the AC/Heat....but this is my opinion, and just to point out, its not just iPhone people that do not agree with this "method" of business.

the 5GB limit is just for TETHERING...you still have UNLIMITED data for interent directly through the phone.

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"The only thing that it's using extra of, is the signal which they got for free from the US Gov't. "

 

The bottom line is nothing is free.  ATT has employees, equipment, etc to pay for.  Water is free, but you pay for a utility to bring it to you. Perhaps not the best analogy though.

 

Point is - it does cost more - there's wear and tear on the network, more towers may need to b built to keep up with demand. More calls to technical support, more infrastructure within ATT's networks to handle usage/gatekeeping traffic, etc

 

Again - there's a price for everything.

 

as others have said - iphone users are no more special than anyone else.  Every other company and phone is subject to a tethering plan if you want to use it.

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