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Data Plan Requirement starting in Sept.

I just discovered that ATT is now going to require all PDA phones to have a data plan after Sept. 6th.  I have seen all the reasoning behind this, and frankly, I am upset.  I am perfectly happy with my ATT Tilt using WiFi access only.  I have never desired to have a data plan and like to use the features of my phone without the bloated cost of a data plan,

 

ATT has stated that they feel this is necessary to help prevent customers from excessive data charges for people who do not get a data plan.  I say it is just to force people to pay for data plans even if they they are perfectly content without one.  I have never had excessive data usage charges because I am intelligent enough to understand that I only access data when I am on a WiFi network.  This ridiculous requirement is now going to force me to reconsider staying with ATT as my wireless carrier.  I was also considering upgrading from my Tilt to a Fuze, but now I am not so sure.

 

I would hope that ATT would reconsider this requirement and allow their customers to continue to have the choice on whether they feel they need a data plan or not.  In my case, I do not and would like to keep it that way.

 

 

 

 

I just discovered that ATT is now going to require all PDA phones to have a data plan after Sept. 6th.  I have seen all the reasoning behind this, and frankly, I am upset.  I am perfectly happy with my ATT Tilt using WiFi access only.  I have never desired to have a data plan and like to use the features of my phone without the bloated cost of a data plan,

 

ATT has stated that they feel this is necessary to help prevent customers from excessive data charges for people who do not get a data plan.  I say it is just to force people to pay for data plans even if they they are perfectly content without one.  I have never had excessive data usage charges because I am intelligent enough to understand that I only access data when I am on a WiFi network.  This ridiculous requirement is now going to force me to reconsider staying with ATT as my wireless carrier.  I was also considering upgrading from my Tilt to a Fuze, but now I am not so sure.

 

I would hope that ATT would reconsider this requirement and allow their customers to continue to have the choice on whether they feel they need a data plan or not.  In my case, I do not and would like to keep it that way.

 

 

 

 

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Bottom line is that being forced to pay for a service that you don't want to have ( for whatever reason, be it money, lack of need, or whatever  ) is bad. You can argue that everyone should share the burden. Fine, go the socialist and have EVERYBODY pay a data tax to support providing data service to anyone who wants it. Fair enough.

 

Or use the capitalist supply and demand model, but don't artificially create a demand by forcing people to buy something that they don't want or need. 

 

Make up your mind AT&T, which is it gonna be?

 

 

 

Bottom line is that being forced to pay for a service that you don't want to have ( for whatever reason, be it money, lack of need, or whatever  ) is bad. You can argue that everyone should share the burden. Fine, go the socialist and have EVERYBODY pay a data tax to support providing data service to anyone who wants it. Fair enough.

 

Or use the capitalist supply and demand model, but don't artificially create a demand by forcing people to buy something that they don't want or need. 

 

Make up your mind AT&T, which is it gonna be?

 

 

 

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Edited by foxbat121 on Apr 13, 2010 at 7:18:25 AM

As much as I hate the forced data plan for Smartphone by all four carriers, no one is forcing you to buy a smartphone. You are free to buy any dumb phone and don't need to pay for any data plan at all.

 

Personally, I think it is a total waste to buy an expensive Smartphone without data plan. Most of the attractions/features on new smartphones require constant data connection. Wi-Fi isn't everywhere and leech on someone else's wi-fi without permission is illegal in most places.

 

Maybe, what AT&T should do is tiered pricing: if you buy a Smartphone from AT&T with data plan, you get discounted price like we have today. If you buy a Smartphone without data plan, you pay full price. How about that?

As much as I hate the forced data plan for Smartphone by all four carriers, no one is forcing you to buy a smartphone. You are free to buy any dumb phone and don't need to pay for any data plan at all.

 

Personally, I think it is a total waste to buy an expensive Smartphone without data plan. Most of the attractions/features on new smartphones require constant data connection. Wi-Fi isn't everywhere and leech on someone else's wi-fi without permission is illegal in most places.

 

Maybe, what AT&T should do is tiered pricing: if you buy a Smartphone from AT&T with data plan, you get discounted price like we have today. If you buy a Smartphone without data plan, you pay full price. How about that?

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Edited by varnk on Apr 13, 2010 at 7:36:24 AM

foxbat121 wrote:

As much as I hate the forced data plan for Smartphone by all four carriers, no one is forcing you to buy a smartphone. You are free to buy any dumb phone and don't need to pay for any data plan at all.

 

Personally, I think it is a total waste to buy an expensive Smartphone without data plan. Most of the attractions/features on new smartphones require constant data connection. Wi-Fi isn't everywhere and leech on someone else's wi-fi without permission is illegal in most places.


 

I am sorry, but that is extremeley narrow minded.  Why is it that people think that if someone does not use a device like they use it that you shouldn't be using that device?

 

My Tilt gives me a lot of features that I don't need a broadband connection to use.  On the rare occasion that I do need connectivity, I use WiFi at home, the library, McDonalds, Starbucks, Borders, or at my office (and no, I don't leech on someone else's wi-fi without permission).

 

If one were to use your reasoning, then Apple would have no need to sell the iPod Touch (which is basically an iPhone without voice or 3G). 


foxbat121 wrote:

As much as I hate the forced data plan for Smartphone by all four carriers, no one is forcing you to buy a smartphone. You are free to buy any dumb phone and don't need to pay for any data plan at all.

 

Personally, I think it is a total waste to buy an expensive Smartphone without data plan. Most of the attractions/features on new smartphones require constant data connection. Wi-Fi isn't everywhere and leech on someone else's wi-fi without permission is illegal in most places.


 

I am sorry, but that is extremeley narrow minded.  Why is it that people think that if someone does not use a device like they use it that you shouldn't be using that device?

 

My Tilt gives me a lot of features that I don't need a broadband connection to use.  On the rare occasion that I do need connectivity, I use WiFi at home, the library, McDonalds, Starbucks, Borders, or at my office (and no, I don't leech on someone else's wi-fi without permission).

 

If one were to use your reasoning, then Apple would have no need to sell the iPod Touch (which is basically an iPhone without voice or 3G). 

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Edited by foxbat121 on Apr 13, 2010 at 7:52:16 AM

varnk wrote:

 

I am sorry, but that is extremeley narrow minded.  Why is it that people think that if someone does not use a device like they use it that you shouldn't be using that device?

 


Please read carefully what I said. I just give you my personal opinion about how I like to use a smartphone. How you use your phone is not my business.

 


If one were to use your reasoning, then Apple would have no need to sell the iPod Touch (which is basically an iPhone without voice or 3G). 


iPod Touch is no where near the penetration rate as iPhone. It costs almost the same as iPhone but without voice or 3G and without GPS either. Apple could sell a brick and ppl would still buy it.

 

At the end of the day, since all four carriers are doing the same thing now( forcing data plan on Smartphones), there is very little chance you will see AT&T being the first to change its heart.

 

What you can do is vote with your wallet and don't buy any Smartphone. That's the real capitalist way to tell a company what you don't like.


varnk wrote:

 

I am sorry, but that is extremeley narrow minded.  Why is it that people think that if someone does not use a device like they use it that you shouldn't be using that device?

 


Please read carefully what I said. I just give you my personal opinion about how I like to use a smartphone. How you use your phone is not my business.

 


If one were to use your reasoning, then Apple would have no need to sell the iPod Touch (which is basically an iPhone without voice or 3G). 


iPod Touch is no where near the penetration rate as iPhone. It costs almost the same as iPhone but without voice or 3G and without GPS either. Apple could sell a brick and ppl would still buy it.

 

At the end of the day, since all four carriers are doing the same thing now( forcing data plan on Smartphones), there is very little chance you will see AT&T being the first to change its heart.

 

What you can do is vote with your wallet and don't buy any Smartphone. That's the real capitalist way to tell a company what you don't like.

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So here goes - I am the current owner of an HTC 8125

 

I use EVERY feature on the phone (email, excel, word, IE, terminal services, etc) just becasue of the nature of my job - I am an IT manager of a large computer network.

 

BUT... I do NOT have a data or even a texting plan... I have had my contract with Cingular for years and have been very happy with it.

 

The people who have posted and bascally said that you are stupid if you don't have a data plan do not use thier phone the same way I do.  And since I am around Wifi networks 95% of the day... i can still do ANTHING I want without a plan.

 

The phone is now dying a slow death and am very happy I came across this post before going up to Ebay and just buying a new phone because I would NOT have been a happy camper.

 

After calling tech support... I was told that if I swap to a "smartphone" I would automatically be put on a data plan.  I asked what would happen if I could find another 8125 and was told that I PROBABLY would not be put on a data plan since it is not a smartphone.

 

I asked for a description of a smartphone and was told that it was "more like a computer and probably runs Windows or something like that"... UM?  My phone runs Windows on it... at this point tech support was stumped except to say that anotehr tech support person she asked told her that "WOW, that's an old phone"

 

so all I know now is that I MIGHT be able to swap out my phone with the same phone, but IF it's a smartphone (a Windows-based phone is not a smartphone?) I will be charged for something I do not want to pay for BECAUSE..... I have an "old plan" and AT&T would like to get everyone up to speed with newer plans.

 

I've already spent years with 2 cell phones a pager and a PDA filling evey pocket in my pants and making me look like go to MIT.  I just want ONE DEVICE that does everything I need.  I am fine paying retail for the phone... I just DO NOT want to sign a new contract or pay more each month for sometihng I will NEVER use.

 

With all of the advances in technology... it looks like the person in charge of hundreds of comptuers will be be stepping back 10 years and looking like a typical geek again

 

not happy right now

 

 

 

 

 

 

So here goes - I am the current owner of an HTC 8125

 

I use EVERY feature on the phone (email, excel, word, IE, terminal services, etc) just becasue of the nature of my job - I am an IT manager of a large computer network.

 

BUT... I do NOT have a data or even a texting plan... I have had my contract with Cingular for years and have been very happy with it.

 

The people who have posted and bascally said that you are stupid if you don't have a data plan do not use thier phone the same way I do.  And since I am around Wifi networks 95% of the day... i can still do ANTHING I want without a plan.

 

The phone is now dying a slow death and am very happy I came across this post before going up to Ebay and just buying a new phone because I would NOT have been a happy camper.

 

After calling tech support... I was told that if I swap to a "smartphone" I would automatically be put on a data plan.  I asked what would happen if I could find another 8125 and was told that I PROBABLY would not be put on a data plan since it is not a smartphone.

 

I asked for a description of a smartphone and was told that it was "more like a computer and probably runs Windows or something like that"... UM?  My phone runs Windows on it... at this point tech support was stumped except to say that anotehr tech support person she asked told her that "WOW, that's an old phone"

 

so all I know now is that I MIGHT be able to swap out my phone with the same phone, but IF it's a smartphone (a Windows-based phone is not a smartphone?) I will be charged for something I do not want to pay for BECAUSE..... I have an "old plan" and AT&T would like to get everyone up to speed with newer plans.

 

I've already spent years with 2 cell phones a pager and a PDA filling evey pocket in my pants and making me look like go to MIT.  I just want ONE DEVICE that does everything I need.  I am fine paying retail for the phone... I just DO NOT want to sign a new contract or pay more each month for sometihng I will NEVER use.

 

With all of the advances in technology... it looks like the person in charge of hundreds of comptuers will be be stepping back 10 years and looking like a typical geek again

 

not happy right now

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8125 definitely qulifies as a Smartphone. If you're going to buy another used one, you will get a text message right away the second you turn it on with your SIM card in it. Your current 8125 is grand fathered in and hence no data plan requirement. But any new (or used) smart phone will require data plan.

 

I had a 8125 as well. Too bad it doesn't have 3G and hence doesn't worth it to pay for the $30 data plan.

 

If you use Exchange push email at all, you will know it doesn't work with wi-fi, only cellular data connection.

8125 definitely qulifies as a Smartphone. If you're going to buy another used one, you will get a text message right away the second you turn it on with your SIM card in it. Your current 8125 is grand fathered in and hence no data plan requirement. But any new (or used) smart phone will require data plan.

 

I had a 8125 as well. Too bad it doesn't have 3G and hence doesn't worth it to pay for the $30 data plan.

 

If you use Exchange push email at all, you will know it doesn't work with wi-fi, only cellular data connection.

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Please keep us posted. I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, my understanding is that you are out of luck if you change phones - period.

 

I can't wait until someone finally gets so fed up they challenge this practice in court. I personally think it is a winnable suit.

 

Please keep us posted. I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, my understanding is that you are out of luck if you change phones - period.

 

I can't wait until someone finally gets so fed up they challenge this practice in court. I personally think it is a winnable suit.

 

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Crater1 wrote:

Please keep us posted. I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, my understanding is that you are out of luck if you change phones - period.

 

I can't wait until someone finally gets so fed up they challenge this practice in court. I personally think it is a winnable suit.

 


Data is becoming more and more common. In a few years I doubt there will be any phones from one of the major carriers that come without data.

 

 


Crater1 wrote:

Please keep us posted. I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, my understanding is that you are out of luck if you change phones - period.

 

I can't wait until someone finally gets so fed up they challenge this practice in court. I personally think it is a winnable suit.

 


Data is becoming more and more common. In a few years I doubt there will be any phones from one of the major carriers that come without data.

 

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I've had 2 smart phones sense the "new" data plan rule that I bought straight out and I haven't resigned a contract, I'm still on my old data plan. I'm currently using a Tilt 2 and have for about 2-3 months now. Talking to a AT&T rep when I was in the market for a new phone I was told if I bought the phone at full price w/o signing a new contract I wouldn't have to have the required data plan so I bought the phone at full price and my bill/plan is unchanged.

I've had 2 smart phones sense the "new" data plan rule that I bought straight out and I haven't resigned a contract, I'm still on my old data plan. I'm currently using a Tilt 2 and have for about 2-3 months now. Talking to a AT&T rep when I was in the market for a new phone I was told if I bought the phone at full price w/o signing a new contract I wouldn't have to have the required data plan so I bought the phone at full price and my bill/plan is unchanged.

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As you can see, there are different applications and no one really seems to know what will and what will not trigger a data plan contract. Anyone have a link to the official "Rule?"

As you can see, there are different applications and no one really seems to know what will and what will not trigger a data plan contract. Anyone have a link to the official "Rule?"

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Crater1 wrote:

As you can see, there are different applications and no one really seems to know what will and what will not trigger a data plan contract. Anyone have a link to the official "Rule?"


 

I believe this is how it works:

 

Initially when the Data Requirement Policy took effect on September 6, 2009; it was to inform customers that new or upgraded Smartphone customers were now required to have an appropriate data plan activated on their account. The change that took effect on November 1, 2009 was to include customers that occasionally do SIM swaps. Customers that SIM swap from a non-smartphone to a smartphone will be automatically enrolled for an appropriate smartphone data plan when switching to one of these devices upon the first use of data.

 

Now the way that the Grandfather Policy works is that Smartphones that were activated prior to September 6, 2009 that did not have the appropriate smartphone data plan were grandfathered and were not subject to having a data plan added to their accounts. For insurance or warranty exchanges on grandfathered smartphones that were activated prior to September 6, 2009 are exempt from the Data Requirement Policy and are not subject to having a data plan added to their accounts. Now if a grandfathered smartphone customer upgrades to a new smartphone, they lose their grandfathered status; the data plan requirement will apply and they cannot revert back. 

 


Crater1 wrote:

As you can see, there are different applications and no one really seems to know what will and what will not trigger a data plan contract. Anyone have a link to the official "Rule?"


 

I believe this is how it works:

 

Initially when the Data Requirement Policy took effect on September 6, 2009; it was to inform customers that new or upgraded Smartphone customers were now required to have an appropriate data plan activated on their account. The change that took effect on November 1, 2009 was to include customers that occasionally do SIM swaps. Customers that SIM swap from a non-smartphone to a smartphone will be automatically enrolled for an appropriate smartphone data plan when switching to one of these devices upon the first use of data.

 

Now the way that the Grandfather Policy works is that Smartphones that were activated prior to September 6, 2009 that did not have the appropriate smartphone data plan were grandfathered and were not subject to having a data plan added to their accounts. For insurance or warranty exchanges on grandfathered smartphones that were activated prior to September 6, 2009 are exempt from the Data Requirement Policy and are not subject to having a data plan added to their accounts. Now if a grandfathered smartphone customer upgrades to a new smartphone, they lose their grandfathered status; the data plan requirement will apply and they cannot revert back. 

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Your explanation is probably the best I’ve heard but is this the official policy and if it is, where can I find it?

 

A couple of terms you used are still ambiguous to me. If you don’t mind, help me out here. You stated, “…if a grandfathered smartphone customer upgrades to a new smartphone ….” 1) Does “upgrades” mean call AT&T (or online or at an AT&T store) and initiate some type of official upgrade? And 2) Does “new” mean brand new or different?

 

After answering the above questions, can you give me your interpretation of what would happen in the following situation? A grandfathered customer’s phone gets dropped and can no longer be used. He removes the sim card and places it into another phone. The replacement “smart phone” phone is one that this customer has owned for years and may or may not have used it with AT&T prior to purchasing the broken phone. No upgrade had been initiated and the phone is not new. FYI, neither phone was ever used for data. What would happen?

Your explanation is probably the best I’ve heard but is this the official policy and if it is, where can I find it?

 

A couple of terms you used are still ambiguous to me. If you don’t mind, help me out here. You stated, “…if a grandfathered smartphone customer upgrades to a new smartphone ….” 1) Does “upgrades” mean call AT&T (or online or at an AT&T store) and initiate some type of official upgrade? And 2) Does “new” mean brand new or different?

 

After answering the above questions, can you give me your interpretation of what would happen in the following situation? A grandfathered customer’s phone gets dropped and can no longer be used. He removes the sim card and places it into another phone. The replacement “smart phone” phone is one that this customer has owned for years and may or may not have used it with AT&T prior to purchasing the broken phone. No upgrade had been initiated and the phone is not new. FYI, neither phone was ever used for data. What would happen?

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I would like to hear from anyone who has purchased, from ebay or someone other than ATT, a used smartphone. I recently replaced my son's treo centro with a phone like mine, an 8525. I check the account often and have instructed my son, who is away at school, to tell me immediately if he gets a text message adding data. It has been just a few weeks and so far no forced data.

I plan on contesting it if he does (upgrade and new being the key words for me) then, if that fails, keep the phone for myself, as I am currently using the 8525, and really do like it.

As a previous poster said, he has switched around smartphones twice since sept with no data add ons. It seems as though it depends on whom you speak to as to how the policy is enforced.

Since we have an old plan, that is very economical which I could never get again, I won't leave ATT. We'll just get dumb phones until I don't need 5 phones on my plan!

I would like to hear from anyone who has purchased, from ebay or someone other than ATT, a used smartphone. I recently replaced my son's treo centro with a phone like mine, an 8525. I check the account often and have instructed my son, who is away at school, to tell me immediately if he gets a text message adding data. It has been just a few weeks and so far no forced data.

I plan on contesting it if he does (upgrade and new being the key words for me) then, if that fails, keep the phone for myself, as I am currently using the 8525, and really do like it.

As a previous poster said, he has switched around smartphones twice since sept with no data add ons. It seems as though it depends on whom you speak to as to how the policy is enforced.

Since we have an old plan, that is very economical which I could never get again, I won't leave ATT. We'll just get dumb phones until I don't need 5 phones on my plan!

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Edited by foxbat121 on Apr 16, 2010 at 7:41:19 PM

I don't believe anybody has actually get added data plan automatically. At least I haven't read/heard any. However, AT&T does send SMS quickly to inform you as soon as you power on a smartphone with different IMEI number. That happens to my Son's warranty replacement smartphone. We got the SMS right there in the device exchange center. But I promptly called customer support and put a data block on his account.

 

The new policy is very clear (at least to me) and anytime you switch to a different Smartphone you need the data plan. But how is AT&T going to enforce it is another story. I believe that's where all the confusion comes from.

I don't believe anybody has actually get added data plan automatically. At least I haven't read/heard any. However, AT&T does send SMS quickly to inform you as soon as you power on a smartphone with different IMEI number. That happens to my Son's warranty replacement smartphone. We got the SMS right there in the device exchange center. But I promptly called customer support and put a data block on his account.

 

The new policy is very clear (at least to me) and anytime you switch to a different Smartphone you need the data plan. But how is AT&T going to enforce it is another story. I believe that's where all the confusion comes from.

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My sons tilt came off ebay and he has had it about 6 months and my bill hasn't changed.

My sons tilt came off ebay and he has had it about 6 months and my bill hasn't changed.

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Well-I looked over (read thoroughly) the last agreement I signed (over 2 years ago) and there is nothing in it that gives them any opportunity to add data automatically. I kind of wonder if there are provisions in more recent agreements (but still prior to Sept)  that gives them the right to add data. I can't see that they can automatically add data if there is no provision for that in the agreement I signed. So, it shouldn't matter what phone I use, as long as I am working off an old agreement. Just as I have to abide by the agreement I signed, and so do they, don't they?

I don't want to have to test it, but there have to be some rights in these agreements--that's why we sign agreements, right? Does this make sense? This could be why some users are treated differently than others--I suppose the agreements are not all the same.

Could be why they are really pushing me to upgrade--no upgrade fees, extra discounts on phones--I don't remember them ever being so persistant...

Well-I looked over (read thoroughly) the last agreement I signed (over 2 years ago) and there is nothing in it that gives them any opportunity to add data automatically. I kind of wonder if there are provisions in more recent agreements (but still prior to Sept)  that gives them the right to add data. I can't see that they can automatically add data if there is no provision for that in the agreement I signed. So, it shouldn't matter what phone I use, as long as I am working off an old agreement. Just as I have to abide by the agreement I signed, and so do they, don't they?

I don't want to have to test it, but there have to be some rights in these agreements--that's why we sign agreements, right? Does this make sense? This could be why some users are treated differently than others--I suppose the agreements are not all the same.

Could be why they are really pushing me to upgrade--no upgrade fees, extra discounts on phones--I don't remember them ever being so persistant...

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Doesn't your agreement reference and incorporate by reference the Terms of Service (TOS)?  Link here but the pertinent section is copied below:

 

"2) WIRELESS DATA SERVICE TERMS AND CONDITIONS (applies to all customers)

I. GENERAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO AT&T'S WIRELESS DATA SERVICES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, FEATURES THAT MAY BE USED WITH WIRELESS DATA SERVICES AND WIRELESS CONTENT.

General Requirements: AT&T provides wireless data services, including but not limited to, features that may be used with wireless data services and wireless content and applications ("Services"). The absolute capacity of the wireless data network is limited. Accordingly, service is only provided for prescribed purposes and pricing for Data Services is device dependent and based on the transmit and receive capacity of each device. A pricing plan designated for one type of device may not be used with another device. Some devices or plans may require you to subscribe to data plan. If AT&T determines that you are not subscribed to the required plan(s), AT&T reserves the right to switch you to the required plan or plans and bill you the appropriate monthly fee. The Services may be subject to credit approval. An activation fee of up to $36 may apply to each new data line. Compatible data-enabled wireless device required." [Emphasis in original]

Doesn't your agreement reference and incorporate by reference the Terms of Service (TOS)?  Link here but the pertinent section is copied below:

 

"2) WIRELESS DATA SERVICE TERMS AND CONDITIONS (applies to all customers)

I. GENERAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO AT&T'S WIRELESS DATA SERVICES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, FEATURES THAT MAY BE USED WITH WIRELESS DATA SERVICES AND WIRELESS CONTENT.

General Requirements: AT&T provides wireless data services, including but not limited to, features that may be used with wireless data services and wireless content and applications ("Services"). The absolute capacity of the wireless data network is limited. Accordingly, service is only provided for prescribed purposes and pricing for Data Services is device dependent and based on the transmit and receive capacity of each device. A pricing plan designated for one type of device may not be used with another device. Some devices or plans may require you to subscribe to data plan. If AT&T determines that you are not subscribed to the required plan(s), AT&T reserves the right to switch you to the required plan or plans and bill you the appropriate monthly fee. The Services may be subject to credit approval. An activation fee of up to $36 may apply to each new data line. Compatible data-enabled wireless device required." [Emphasis in original]

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"Compatible data-enabled wireless device required."

 

Does this mean that if "data" is not "enabled" the device is exempt?

"Compatible data-enabled wireless device required."

 

Does this mean that if "data" is not "enabled" the device is exempt?

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Nope-there is nothing in my contract anything like this (dated 11/24/2007.) This is what is on my billing page under contract, in PDF form. Mentions GPRS, Edge, and Push--no mention of 3G. Amazing the changes in under 3 years.

I don't think they can randomly just change a contract--but officially I guess, the contract just went for 2 years, so I'm out of contract anyhow. I imagine they can change the contract, but I haven't signed any other.  I'll just continue on until I'm told otherwise...

My contract says that I will abide by the enclosed (then) current TOS--there's nothing about having to abide by changes to the TOS. The TOS that I have with this contract has no mention of any possible forced data plan--but does say they can cancel the plan if I tether, or use the phone for anything other than voice to voice contact. (I can't leave the line open to other communications, such as tethering...)

 

 

Nope-there is nothing in my contract anything like this (dated 11/24/2007.) This is what is on my billing page under contract, in PDF form. Mentions GPRS, Edge, and Push--no mention of 3G. Amazing the changes in under 3 years.

I don't think they can randomly just change a contract--but officially I guess, the contract just went for 2 years, so I'm out of contract anyhow. I imagine they can change the contract, but I haven't signed any other.  I'll just continue on until I'm told otherwise...

My contract says that I will abide by the enclosed (then) current TOS--there's nothing about having to abide by changes to the TOS. The TOS that I have with this contract has no mention of any possible forced data plan--but does say they can cancel the plan if I tether, or use the phone for anything other than voice to voice contact. (I can't leave the line open to other communications, such as tethering...)

 

 

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msiscrm wrote:

Nope-there is nothing in my contract anything like this.

 

 


Same here and I have NO intention on EVER signing a new contract.


msiscrm wrote:

Nope-there is nothing in my contract anything like this.

 

 


Same here and I have NO intention on EVER signing a new contract.

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I don't believe anybody has actually get added data plan automatically. At least I haven't read/heard any.


Read these forums then, there are poeople complianing here about it, ppl complaining on AT&T's face book and so on...

 

 


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I don't believe anybody has actually get added data plan automatically. At least I haven't read/heard any.


Read these forums then, there are poeople complianing here about it, ppl complaining on AT&T's face book and so on...

 

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Yes, they all complaining but the most they ever got is the word from CSR or a text message from AT&T. Like I said, no one actually get automatically added the data plan yet (exclude those who bought a new smartphone with new contract).

Yes, they all complaining but the most they ever got is the word from CSR or a text message from AT&T. Like I said, no one actually get automatically added the data plan yet (exclude those who bought a new smartphone with new contract).

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Yes, they all complaining but the most they ever got is the word from CSR or a text message from AT&T. Like I said, no one actually get automatically added the data plan yet (exclude those who bought a new smartphone with new contract).


Incorrect, many have stated otherwise. Go read around a bit. Anyone with a new phone or plan after the cut off can, and many already have had the plan automatically added. It only effect pople after the cut off, so like my wife's blackberry is exempt, but if I buy her a Nexus One, it will be added as soon as they notice the IME number.

 

 


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Yes, they all complaining but the most they ever got is the word from CSR or a text message from AT&T. Like I said, no one actually get automatically added the data plan yet (exclude those who bought a new smartphone with new contract).


Incorrect, many have stated otherwise. Go read around a bit. Anyone with a new phone or plan after the cut off can, and many already have had the plan automatically added. It only effect pople after the cut off, so like my wife's blackberry is exempt, but if I buy her a Nexus One, it will be added as soon as they notice the IME number.

 

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Please read what I just said above and what everyone is complaining about in last couple pages. We're discussing here is that if you bought a used Smartphone somewhere else, will AT&T automatically add smartphone plan for you (remember you didn't sign any new contract)? We fully expect a new smartphone purchase gets added data plan as you need to sign new contract.

Please read what I just said above and what everyone is complaining about in last couple pages. We're discussing here is that if you bought a used Smartphone somewhere else, will AT&T automatically add smartphone plan for you (remember you didn't sign any new contract)? We fully expect a new smartphone purchase gets added data plan as you need to sign new contract.

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Correct, and people HAVE posted they have gotten the automatic plan even with out a contract. Read the complaints, they are posted here, other forums, and on the AT&T customer service Facebook page.If you dont want to that is fine, but its wrong to tell people to not worry about it becuase it is happening. AT&T posted on their Facebook that any smart phone turned on their network now gets the data plan, contract or not. They claim they are doing it to serve us better. Go post over their where AT&T actaully replies and ask for yourself.

 

To be clear my wife has a blackberry without data plan. If she should now go out and buy a Nexus One, they would automatically add the data plan. Some people have gotten them to drop it, but it has been added for others.

Correct, and people HAVE posted they have gotten the automatic plan even with out a contract. Read the complaints, they are posted here, other forums, and on the AT&T customer service Facebook page.If you dont want to that is fine, but its wrong to tell people to not worry about it becuase it is happening. AT&T posted on their Facebook that any smart phone turned on their network now gets the data plan, contract or not. They claim they are doing it to serve us better. Go post over their where AT&T actaully replies and ask for yourself.

 

To be clear my wife has a blackberry without data plan. If she should now go out and buy a Nexus One, they would automatically add the data plan. Some people have gotten them to drop it, but it has been added for others.

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Do you mind post links to such claims because I've not read any here?

Do you mind post links to such claims because I've not read any here?

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Do you mind post links to such claims because I've not read any here?


 

I do not know how to search a facbook wall to link you to the ppl complaining and AT&T repling with "to bad so sad", but I just happen to be reading this am :

 

http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/att-t-discussion/4818-using-nexus-one-without-data-again.html

 

Where kid is asking how to get out of the plan that was auto added to his Nexus One (which there is no way to buy under contact)

 

Then in the middle of this therad a NExus one owner was told by AT7T rep over the phone, to bad we are adding the $30 plan, and he is complaining about it:

 

http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/att-t-discussion/2460-20-unlimited-2g-plan-still-available.html

 

Those are 2 from 2 mins poking around... you can spend the time to find more if you care.

 

 

 


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Do you mind post links to such claims because I've not read any here?


 

I do not know how to search a facbook wall to link you to the ppl complaining and AT&T repling with "to bad so sad", but I just happen to be reading this am :

 

http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/att-t-discussion/4818-using-nexus-one-without-data-again.html

 

Where kid is asking how to get out of the plan that was auto added to his Nexus One (which there is no way to buy under contact)

 

Then in the middle of this therad a NExus one owner was told by AT7T rep over the phone, to bad we are adding the $30 plan, and he is complaining about it:

 

http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/att-t-discussion/2460-20-unlimited-2g-plan-still-available.html

 

Those are 2 from 2 mins poking around... you can spend the time to find more if you care.

 

 

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I kind of wonder if these people go from dumb phones to smart phones. I don't think going from smart phone to smart phone, unless purchased from ATT, will raise any flags.....they already know there is a smartphone on the line...but we'll see...

I kind of wonder if these people go from dumb phones to smart phones. I don't think going from smart phone to smart phone, unless purchased from ATT, will raise any flags.....they already know there is a smartphone on the line...but we'll see...

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First, I will clarify that I have been an AT&T subscriber for at least 5 years and I have never purchased a smartphone from AT&T -- only one from ebay.  Two days ago, I ordered the Samsung Impression (non-smartphone) from a non-AT&T online retailer . . . which brings me to my questions below.

 

My understanding is post-paid subscribers with smartphones will be "grandfathered" in the system and not required to get a data plan, providing they do not upgrade with a smartphone and 2 year contract extension.  Now then, with my 2-year upgrade with a non-smartphone, will that revoke my grandfathered no-data-plan stipulation, or is the grandfathering revoked only when I upgrade my contract to a smartphone?

 

Question 1: If I purchase an AT&T Tilt2, any unlockable Touch Pro2/T7373, any smartphone, or  someone sells me a smartphone after I contractually upgraded to a non-smartphone, would that mean I have to get the data plan or am I still grandfathered since I didn't contractually upgrade to a smartphone? 

 

Question 2: I would like an official AT&T answer (from reading some posts on this forum) . . . does AT&T consider taking the SIM card out and placing it in a different smartphone or even a "dumbphone" as upgrading . . . or is upgrading only defined as devices purchased under a two-year contract?

First, I will clarify that I have been an AT&T subscriber for at least 5 years and I have never purchased a smartphone from AT&T -- only one from ebay.  Two days ago, I ordered the Samsung Impression (non-smartphone) from a non-AT&T online retailer . . . which brings me to my questions below.

 

My understanding is post-paid subscribers with smartphones will be "grandfathered" in the system and not required to get a data plan, providing they do not upgrade with a smartphone and 2 year contract extension.  Now then, with my 2-year upgrade with a non-smartphone, will that revoke my grandfathered no-data-plan stipulation, or is the grandfathering revoked only when I upgrade my contract to a smartphone?

 

Question 1: If I purchase an AT&T Tilt2, any unlockable Touch Pro2/T7373, any smartphone, or  someone sells me a smartphone after I contractually upgraded to a non-smartphone, would that mean I have to get the data plan or am I still grandfathered since I didn't contractually upgrade to a smartphone? 

 

Question 2: I would like an official AT&T answer (from reading some posts on this forum) . . . does AT&T consider taking the SIM card out and placing it in a different smartphone or even a "dumbphone" as upgrading . . . or is upgrading only defined as devices purchased under a two-year contract?

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First, I will clarify that I have been an AT&T subscriber for at least 5 years and I have never purchased a smartphone from AT&T -- only one from ebay.  Two days ago, I ordered the Samsung Impression (non-smartphone) from a non-AT&T online retailer . . . which brings me to my questions below.

 

My understanding is post-paid subscribers with smartphones will be "grandfathered" in the system and not required to get a data plan, providing they do not upgrade with a smartphone and 2 year contract extension.  Now then, with my 2-year upgrade with a non-smartphone, will that revoke my grandfathered no-data-plan stipulation, or is the grandfathering revoked only when I upgrade my contract to a smartphone?

 

Question 1: If I purchase an AT&T Tilt2, any unlockable Touch Pro2/T7373, any smartphone, or  someone sells me a smartphone after I contractually upgraded to a non-smartphone, would that mean I have to get the data plan or am I still grandfathered since I didn't contractually upgrade to a smartphone? 

 

Question 2: I would like an official AT&T answer (from reading some posts on this forum) . . . does AT&T consider taking the SIM card out and placing it in a different smartphone or even a "dumbphone" as upgrading . . . or is upgrading only defined as devices purchased under a two-year contract?


 

From what I can tell..

 

AT&T never replies on these forums. If you want an official answer go to their facebook page, or call them.

 

That being said, the "grandfather" clause appears to apply to the PHONE and not the account. So If you were to get a new smart phone today, REGARDLESS of your current status or history, the $30 plan is required. Now some ppl have gotten "caught" and had the plan auto added, some have not. Some have complained to customer service and have had the planed doped, others have failed to get it dropped. So actual enforcement of this official policy is sketchy. 

 


swm28wv wrote:

First, I will clarify that I have been an AT&T subscriber for at least 5 years and I have never purchased a smartphone from AT&T -- only one from ebay.  Two days ago, I ordered the Samsung Impression (non-smartphone) from a non-AT&T online retailer . . . which brings me to my questions below.

 

My understanding is post-paid subscribers with smartphones will be "grandfathered" in the system and not required to get a data plan, providing they do not upgrade with a smartphone and 2 year contract extension.  Now then, with my 2-year upgrade with a non-smartphone, will that revoke my grandfathered no-data-plan stipulation, or is the grandfathering revoked only when I upgrade my contract to a smartphone?

 

Question 1: If I purchase an AT&T Tilt2, any unlockable Touch Pro2/T7373, any smartphone, or  someone sells me a smartphone after I contractually upgraded to a non-smartphone, would that mean I have to get the data plan or am I still grandfathered since I didn't contractually upgrade to a smartphone? 

 

Question 2: I would like an official AT&T answer (from reading some posts on this forum) . . . does AT&T consider taking the SIM card out and placing it in a different smartphone or even a "dumbphone" as upgrading . . . or is upgrading only defined as devices purchased under a two-year contract?


 

From what I can tell..

 

AT&T never replies on these forums. If you want an official answer go to their facebook page, or call them.

 

That being said, the "grandfather" clause appears to apply to the PHONE and not the account. So If you were to get a new smart phone today, REGARDLESS of your current status or history, the $30 plan is required. Now some ppl have gotten "caught" and had the plan auto added, some have not. Some have complained to customer service and have had the planed doped, others have failed to get it dropped. So actual enforcement of this official policy is sketchy. 

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