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Data Plan Requirement starting in Sept.

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10sgr8 wrote:

.  Within 5 minutes of firing it up with his SIM card in it, he got a text message saying that if he did not call AT&T and add the date plan, one would be added automatically! 


That's kinda odd.. My son and I swapped fones about 1 or 2 times a few days ago and I never got such a txt. He has a palm 750 and I have a tilt.

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I called CS after my last posting, and they are reviewing my account. The rep also told me that IF I were to buy a new phone at retail price or buy an unlocked phone, my existing contract would remain without the data plan requirement.The current difference between subsidised and retail is about $150-$200 versus $720.00 for the duration of the new contract for a data plan. Save some money and buy your phones at retail, and request a medianet block on your line.
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Teacher

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You can count me in on the lawsuit. I have already contacted my representatives in Washington including the FCC and the FTC.
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I'm also canceling my AT&T U-verse service.
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Crater1 wrote:
You can count me in on the lawsuit. I have already contacted my representatives in Washington including the FCC and the FTC.

 

I wonder... what are your grounds for a class action?
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Scholar

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What part of you can cancel the data after you buy the phone part didn't you people understand?
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<SARCASM> Lexus has said that they no longer are selling cars with standard FM radio... You have to buy a Sirius plan. So next time I buy a Lexus, I will have to pay $15 a month for sattelite radio which I do not use. (Never mind that all other luxury cars already have implemented this.) So I am not only going to drive my current Lexus off a bridge, I am going to smash my wife's Toyota too because they are from the same company. Oh - wait - I know - I will file a class action law suit! Why? Because I can! </SARCASM>

 

Of course, I know that Crater1 can not be that blind, after all, he can type. So he must be trying to "get your goat". Don't let him. Smiley Happy And do not forget to laugh!

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yatrg wrote:

<SARCASM> Lexus has said that they no longer are selling cars with standard FM radio... You have to buy a Sirius plan. So next time I buy a Lexus, I will have to pay $15 a month for sattelite radio which I do not use. (Never mind that all other luxury cars already have implemented this.) So I am not only going to drive my current Lexus off a bridge, I am going to smash my wife's Toyota too because they are from the same company. Oh - wait - I know - I will file a class action law suit! Why? Because I can! </SARCASM>

 

Of course, I know that Crater1 can not be that blind, after all, he can type. So he must be trying to "get your goat". Don't let him. Smiley Happy And do not forget to laugh!


Another bad analogy.... As you are already buying service from AT&T, you have to agree to their ToS. You are not buying a service from Sirius, so you have a choice... but if you were to buy a service from Sirius, let me know, after you are successful in getting the price of the contract reduced because you only listen to 1 station instead of the 100+ they offer....

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Seems to me like AT&T approached this whole data plan thing the wrong way.  Granted, maybe they were losing money from people who did not have data plans and ended up having to eat the cost of overages from people who excessively used data on a pay-per-use basis.

 

However, what they should have done is to automatically charge the $30 (or whatever an unlimited data plan costs) for anyone using data in any given month regardless of the amount of KB used.  Thus, if you don't have data usage because you are like myself and are diligent about not using data, then you are not penalized for using your phone for all of the other features that it offers that do not have to do with data usage.  Although this would probably be more attractive for customers like myself, I would seriously doubt that AT&T or any other carrier would do this because it does not follow a business plan of continuous service revenue, which is what all companies seem to savor these days.

 

But, instead, AT&T took the route that provides the least amount of customer flexibility, and instead chose to just force PDA users to have data plans because they feel that most of their customers are not intelligent enough to know how to manage their PDA phones.  Maybe some PDA users fall into this category, but why penalize the ones that don't?

 

 

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03hdfatboy wrote:
What part of you can cancel the data after you buy the phone part didn't you people understand?

did you not read the story on BGR? Cancelling the data plan is no longer an option. Read this and make sure you have all the facts before you post.

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Crater1 wrote:
You can count me in on the lawsuit. I have already contacted my representatives in Washington including the FCC and the FTC.

 

Of course you have.

 

I mean... What sort of response have you gotten? 

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Crater1 wrote:
I'm also canceling my AT&T U-verse service.

 

That'll teach 'em!
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Scholar

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In all honesty, I don't see the big deal. Smartphones were made to use data services, and to get the full experience from it, you need a data plan. Sure, you can use WiFi, but not everywere, and for those times you don't have WiFi, a data connection will allow you to do all those things you do on WiFi. AT&T Subsidise the phones, and expect a certain level of revenue from them. An iPhone, for example, requires a $100 plan, and includes Data. Why shouldn't a WinMo phone also require Data? If you don't want the Data plan, don't buy a phone that was designed to use data, or buy an unlocked phone, and use it on your existing non-data plan.

 

there are a handful of people who have a smartphone, and don't use AT&T data, and if they currently have no data plan, they don't need to get one. New subscribers, on the otherhand, will be required to get Data, and as a new smartphone owner, their user experience will be enhanced, by having data included. This is a smart move by AT&T, as it will ensure those who buy these types of phones can get the full WinMo experience.

 

So I am sorry if you are having problems with their new policy, but I do think it is fair, and other carriers do it too. Can you get a Google Phone without data? I don't believe you can. Same for Verizon. There are ways to keep no data plan, but frankly, I think anyone who has one of these phones without data (especially in a 3G area) is Really missing out on many of the great things these phones can do.... You may as well have a palm pilot, or Dell Axim, or a plain old PDA, or phone with basic PDA functions, why bother with the smartphone...

 

 

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nygman wrote:

In all honesty, I don't see the big deal. Smartphones were made to use data services, and to get the full experience from it, you need a data plan. Sure, you can use WiFi, but not everywere, and for those times you don't have WiFi, a data connection will allow you to do all those things you do on WiFi. AT&T Subsidise the phones, and expect a certain level of revenue from them. An iPhone, for example, requires a $100 plan, and includes Data. Why shouldn't a WinMo phone also require Data? If you don't want the Data plan, don't buy a phone that was designed to use data, or buy an unlocked phone, and use it on your existing non-data plan.

 

there are a handful of people who have a smartphone, and don't use AT&T data, and if they currently have no data plan, they don't need to get one. New subscribers, on the otherhand, will be required to get Data, and as a new smartphone owner, their user experience will be enhanced, by having data included. This is a smart move by AT&T, as it will ensure those who buy these types of phones can get the full WinMo experience.

 

So I am sorry if you are having problems with their new policy, but I do think it is fair, and other carriers do it too. Can you get a Google Phone without data? I don't believe you can. Same for Verizon. There are ways to keep no data plan, but frankly, I think anyone who has one of these phones without data (especially in a 3G area) is Really missing out on many of the great things these phones can do.... You may as well have a palm pilot, or Dell Axim, or a plain old PDA, or phone with basic PDA functions, why bother with the smartphone...

 

 

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If this policy is fair, then why not just force everyone to have an all encompassing monthly rate plan that includes all features that a phone is capable of whether you use them or not.  If your phone supports text messaging, then you automatically get unlimited text messaging,  If your phone supports international calling, then that should just automatically have it added too.  If your phone supports push-to-talk, then put it on as well.  After all, you do want the best experience possible with your phone.  Right?

 

And to say that if you don't want a data plan then why have a PDA smartphone?  I will say, because we have progressed enough in our technological age where it is no longer necessary to carry a seperate PDA and phone.  Yes.... they are now all-in-one.  However, that does not mean that I now need my PDA to communicate on a 3G data network.

 

Message Edited by varnk on 09-14-2009 02:26:10 PM
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We can debate fairness all day long and come up with analogies galore but it doesn't really matter.  It's a revenue generating program for AT&T and they are well within their rights to implement it.  They've seen from the iPhone and from their competitors (Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint) that this can be done.   I'm sure they've calculated how many customers they might lose and I'm equally sure they've determined that number is outweighed by new PDA data plans.

 

None of this means you have to like it but at least for now, there are workarounds (e.g. keeping your existing phone, buying an unlocked phone, paying full retail) that the iPhone users do not have.

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