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Wednesday, September 4th, 2013 7:21 PM

Wh is the UVerse tech support system so broken

Why is AT&T so functionally incompetent?  AT&T can't seem to fix the root of the problem, only the symtons, taking well over a month to diagnose.  The techs that came out were great people.  They're just hampered by the functionally incompetent AT&T corporate structure.  The CEO & upper management are at fault for implementing a system that causes repairs to take over a month.

 

I know what the problem is, but they insist on jerking me around with tier 1 & tier 2 service techs that can't fix the root of the problem.  My ADSL2 line had been functioning for a good 10 months without issue until a router or switch was replaced at the C.O.  Ever since then, I lose internet for 10-30 minutes at a time.  This suggests the router is at fault, yet they insist on sending out line techs to "fix" the problem.  All they're doing is putting a bandage on the issue, not addressing the main issue of correcting the settings on the switch or router.  The line noise has reduced, and I don't get disconnected as frequently, but this only suggests that the new router or switch is freezing up because of overloaded logs in RAM and is resetting itself periodically, or some 1d10t low level tech is watching zabbix, ganglia, nagios, or some other monitoring software and resetting it, without fixing it.  I saw no service issues until the equipment was replaced.

 

 

Here's my notes of the downtime.  I left off some details to keep the lenth down, but it's a month's worth of details.

 

 

AT&T Outage Monday, July 29,approximately 2:30 pm.  DSL went down.
 Rebooted Modem twice,
   red lights on Service.
   Broadband remaind green
   Power Green
   Wireless Blinking Green
 Called AT&T 1 800 288-2020 - The automated message had me reboot the modem again and wait 10 minutes before calling back.
 Called AT&T again after 10 minutes and was on hold for about 30 minutes. The actual conversation lasted about 8 minutes.  The CSR scheduled service tech to come Tuesday, July 30, between 4-8 pm

Tuesday July 30, approximately 3:300 pm.  Automated call form AT&T with a message indicating the line was up again.  I immediately call AT&T because the line was still down.  This time I see
  No light on Service
  Red Light on Broadband
  Green Light on Power
  Wireless Blinking Green
The CSR doesn't know what was happening. - Maybe their database wasn't updated.  I continued to wait for the tech to arrive between 4-8 pm
At 6:17 pm, I went out briefly, while the rest of the family was home, and saw an AT&T truck down the street at the intersection.
On the way back around 6:25, I stopped and asked the tech if he was coming to my home.  He said he was going to different address and that he was on a break.


I waited until 7:30 and saw no tech yet, so I call AT&T again.
The tech said he reset the port and my line is up until Wednesday, July 31, at approximately 7:10 pm.  Internet comes back at approx.
The tech said he reset the port and my line is up.

Wednesday, July 31, at approximately 7:10 pm, the line goes down.  Internet comes back at approx. 7:20 pm.
Just before 10pm, the service light went red.  I call AT&T.
They appear to be working on the line, but the tech can't do anything since the 4-8 pm service was never cancelled.  I give him the history of the week's down time.  The line continues going up and down during the call.  After the call, the line remains stable until 10:28 pm.  It comes back at 10:33 pm.  For about a week, I continue to lose service around twice a day and the line resets.

 

I called AT&T nearly every day, this first week.  They eventually schedule a tech on the weekend, and discovered a "tip to ground" connection on my line to the C.O. This requires a different line tech to be sent out.  I'm apparently get numerous bad packets, which is what's supposedly causing the problem.  I already explain again that the problem isn't the line, but in the replacement equipment.  I still get the same service interruptions and keep calling to have my line or port reset, to reduce the outage from 10-30 minutes down to 5-10.  The outage frequency also drops from twice a day to once a day.

 

Another week goes by and a new tech comes out to put in a new splitter and the line is cleaner.  It seems to fix the problem, but a few days later I lose connection.  With a cleaner line, there are fewer bad packets, and the problem span drops from a day to 2-3 days.  I think this tech may have disconnected my alarm line when he added the splitter, but I don't notice it until the alarm company calls me during their monthly check.

 
Friday, August 23, 3rd Tech Replace the line to the home seems to be ok.


Tuesday Sep 3, 10:13 pm Internet is down for 16 Minutes.  A 3rd tech had already come out.  AT&T keeps trying to fix the line to the home, but my line was in worse condition and it had worked just fine on the older router/switch.  It's now out to 10 days between outages.  This points to a problem at the router or switch.  It has nothing to do with the line.

 

Cleaning the line only extends the uptime, but if a line experiences any issue, the router accumulates the errors and disconnects.  I can't get any of the functionally incompetent techs to go beyond their script to fix the issue.  I don't care if I get a 10% improvement in line speed, if I get frequent 10-30 minute downtimes.  I use my internet to connect to work.  I can't afford to get disconnected when I'm configuring a server, firewall, or switch.

This last tech wants to run more tests on my line and take the DSL offline for hours to a day to test my connection again.  These tests do not solve a problem.  AT&T needs to have real techs, not script readers.  I've fixed my own tech problems, so I only call AT&T when it's a problem directly with AT&T.  I've diagnosed and recommend fixes to the techs that have come out to fix my DSL lines whenever I've moved.  The techs that install lines frequently messed up and miswire the connections.  This case is similar.  I don't need my line speed to improve by another 1%.  I want it to be up 24/7 as advertised and not cut me off if I happen to be doing something important.

 

AT&T needs to be broken up again.  It does not care about real service.  It only cares about lip service.  No matter how nice and great the CSRs and Technicians are, it can't make up for the fact the company is structurally deficient and I can't get them to fix the known root of the problem.

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11 years ago

Hello, willchen!

 

I just wanted to let you know that I have sent you a private message. To read it, simply click on the little blue envelope icon in the top right corner of your screen! Let me know if you have any questions!

 

-Mariana

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11 years ago


@ATTMarianaCM wrote:

Hello, willchen!

 

I just wanted to let you know that I have sent you a private message. To read it, simply click on the little blue envelope icon in the top right corner of your screen! Let me know if you have any questions!

 

-Mariana


Thank you, Mariana.  I will continue to post what happens with the results.  I believe this will actually help a good portion of the customers that solve their problems more quickly and reduce their frustration with AT&T Tech support.  (I've also responded to the PM)

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11 years ago

Well, the tech called me back and left a message today.  I called in and reach a Tier 2 tech to find out information.  It turns out I was not the only one affected by this problem.  Apparently, they swapped out the faulty Card on the DSLAM ( I was mistaken before, as I was told it was a router or switch by the tier 1 guys. - I know they're not knowledgeable and I'm not a DSL/network/phone tech either so what would I know.)   That last outage I had was them replacing the card that day.  Anyways, I expect my line to be stable now.  It's been a month and a half ordeal and the silver lining is that I have a faster tier and VOIP available if I want it.

 

There's still the problem of the Tier 1 Call Center resetting people's tickets and starting new ones.  I plan to continue that fight to fix a fairly major flaw in the way their system works.  If you don't believe that they do this, call U-Verse Tech support.  You should also talk to the field techs and ask them why you must call their personal work phone number instead of the 800 number if you want to escalate the ticket.

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11 years ago


@willchen wrote:
You should also talk to the field techs and ask them why you must call their personal work phone number instead of the 800 number if you want to escalate the ticket.

I was told by a Prem (field) Tech that the reason they give you their cell phone number is because ATT tracts if the job they did was successful or not. 

 

In other words, if the tech came to your house, assessed the problem and fixed (or attempted to fix) the problem and the same problem re-appeared, it does not bode well for the tech. 

 

The prem tech would rather you call them directly to correct an ongoing problem than calling CS to complain about the same thing.

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11 years ago

Thank you.  I did not know that.  I'm getting different stories, then, from different people.  What you're suggesting to me is that all my techs here are lying to me.  Also, if it's true that calling the 800 number again puts a bad mark on the tech, their system is done wrong.  Some technical problems just aren't that easy to solve and you shouldn't get a bad mark just because you happen to be put on one.

 

It's taken them over a month to resolve my issue.  It's an issue that started with an outage that apparently affected more than just me.  Supposedly they replaced a card in a DSLAM at a C.O. (From new information.)   I had no change in wiring, so I could only assume that was the root of my subsequent problems.  They keep checking my line and "fixing" it, but nothing was really resolved as it kept recurring.

 

Prior to the outage, I had no service interruptions.  Those are just the facts.  I spoke to a tier2 tech last night and he said that other customers were having issue with their service so they've replaced the card in a DSLAM a few days ago.  So it appears that they've put in a faulty card.  If that was true, AT&T should have detected the problem sooner and fixed it, since it was affecting more than just one customer.  Procedurally, that was broken.  It should have been strictly monitored that first week, and replaced in no more than 2 weeks.  It was the one main thing that changed for everyone affected.  It should have been checked the moment they received more than 1 call after it was put in place.   I didn't expect a single day turn-around, but something that lasted well over a month should not have happened.

 

Just because it's fixed for me now doesn't mean that something isn't still procedurally broken.  I'm still working through their system to find out exactly why it would take this long to get a fix.  Hopefully, the customer care individuals here are also working that angle.

 

It's completely understandable to me why people would want to switch and not ever want to come back to AT&T.  I don't think there's much of an option if I do switch.  My current boss is dealing with comcast speed issues, and, at least for him, it looks like comcast only shows high speed if you go to their internal speedtest site, but slows down dramatiically at all the others and he's been having issue with youtube videos constantly buffering.  So, service is just bad everywhere.  The only improvement to be made is to work from within and get other customers to do the same.  There is no real choice in this country, just false choice.  It would be great if I had a real choice for better service, but it just doesn't exist.

 

 

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11 years ago


@willchen wrote:

Thank you.  I did not know that.  I'm getting different stories, then, from different people.  What you're suggesting to me is that all my techs here are lying to me.  Also, if it's true that calling the 800 number again puts a bad mark on the tech, their system is done wrong.  Some technical problems just aren't that easy to solve and you shouldn't get a bad mark just because you happen to be put on one.

 

 


Alls I knows is whats I knows...

 

Here's a bit of info that's really going to tick you off.  I've had Uverse since 2007....6 years....I've had more than one Prem Tech tell me "Oh, your account number starts with a 100 (true).  That tell us that you're one of the FIRST Uverse customers.  You get priority on any service calls."  

 

What can I say?  I'm special...  Smiley Wink

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Man, all I get is ADSL2. 😛  I'm in the boonies now.  So that's why you get good service response and I don't. 😛 Why do you have all the luck. 😉

 

It sounds like the only way to get fiber to my home is to have continously bad connections so I can keep calling and complaining long enough that they're forced to pull new cable all the way from the CO.  At that point they can save some cost and pull fiber at the same time in preparation.  I think they've actually fixed my line, so I'm stuck with ADSL2.

 

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11 years ago

...and just a few months ago, they laid all new line to my house, new RG, new wireless boxes, new WAP, etc. 

 

The last Prem Tech sat in the recliner and watched TV w/me to make sure very thing was OK.  We checked out Netflix & You Tube on the Smart TV and when those were a bit choppy, he put some sort of little box there (wireless extender?) and made sure everything was hunky-dory.

 

Loyalty (like age) has it's benefits.  Smiley Wink 

 

That or that just wanted to make sure the crazy old lady didn't call anymore.  Smiley Frustrated

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11 years ago

I got a new tech with each call, 4 different techs within the same 30 days.  That means each of those techs got a repeat?  A bad mark on their record?  That's ludicrous.  The 800 number call should have brought them back, not assign a new ticket and new tech and a bad mark just from one call.

 

It would have helped if I got the same tech to return so I didn't have to repeatedly explain my issue with each new tech, only to have them start over with each new line replacement.  I sympathize with your field techs for this broken system that penalizes a tech for a call to the 800 number.  I would have loved it if the same tech came out and just continued from where he left off.  It would have sped things up.  I didn't know that calling the 800 number would mess with their scores.  AT&T is procedurally broken.  If the tech was actually doing something wrong, then they deserve an actual bad mark, but they don't deserve one because a customer called back.

 

I understand that some things aren't easily diagnosed, so I thought I was working with the system to get a faster resolution, but because of the call center brokeness, I gave 5 techs a bad mark or a "repeat" and delayed my actual repair.  AT&T needs to fix its call center.

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11 years ago

I wish I could get someone to come out any day of the week, so far the tech has missed 4 of the scheduled appointments. No call, no show that is not the way a business is run. 

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