Importance of changing IP Addresses

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Importance of changing IP Addresses

With some ISPs, you get a new public IP address every time you connect to their service.
With others, you get a new one every time you reset/reboot your router.
And with others, you get a new public IP Address each time you change your router's MAC address via its admin function (if your router supports it).

Reading posts in these forums, it looks like you can't change your public IP address with ATT U-Verse, like you can with other ISPs.

Maybe if people started running high-bandwidth servers (e.g. FTP, HTTP) from their permanent/fixed IP addresses, U-Verse will consider changing their public IP Address more frequently? :smileyhappy:

Then again, maybe they will just throttle bandwidth once it exceeds some value.

That's the reason many ISPs don't guarantee fixed IP addresses to subscribers who don't pay additional for the privilege of having a fixed public IP or a Business Level Of Service.

 

I personally would like to be able to generate a new public IP Address for my internet service.

Just like I want a new license plate for a used car I may purchase.

Or a new phone number, if I want one.

 

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VinnyM69 wrote:
No you're wrong.  I checked that web page in your link.  I doesn't reveal any personal information and the location it lists for me is actually a city a good 10 miles away from the city I live in.  So the demographics are not accurate in any case.  Like I said in my post, your IP address does not reveal any personal information about you.  It reveals the registered owner of your IP address (your ISP) and nothing else. 
 

Looks like you won't make it as a data miner.
You expect all infomation from one site handed to you on a silver platter.

 

10 miles is close enough. And it wasn't Richardson, TX like you thought, was it? :smileyhappy:

WIth other people, the info is accurate, including zip code and phone area code.


Those data miner guys work in collaboration with vendors who supply other bits of info.
In time, they correlate your e-mail address with your name, IP Address, geographic location, etc.
e.g. Google maintains all search words used from an IP Address.
So you say you have been using the same IP Address for years? :smileyhappy:
How much info will that reveal about you?
And people are willing to pay for that info.


Interesting cases:
Someone (customer support) at AOL(?) started selling customer credit card info sometime ago.
I also head of a case where a customer/tech support person started selling info of certain subscribers to parties that paid him directly.
These parties were trying to locate (with criminal intent) a person using his IP address.

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Nate2 wrote:

 


VinnyM69 wrote:
No you're wrong.  I checked that web page in your link.  I doesn't reveal any personal information and the location it lists for me is actually a city a good 10 miles away from the city I live in.  So the demographics are not accurate in any case.  Like I said in my post, your IP address does not reveal any personal information about you.  It reveals the registered owner of your IP address (your ISP) and nothing else. 
 

Looks like you won't make it as a data miner.
You expect all infomation from one site handed to you on a silver platter.

 

10 miles is close enough. And it wasn't Richardson, TX like you thought, was it? :smileyhappy:

WIth other people, the info is accurate, including zip code and phone area code.

 

As I stated in an earlier post the Whois Database lists my IP address as owned by AT&T in Richardson TX.  From the web site you used my location is wrong, my zip code is wrong, etc.  The only thing they had right was the area code which is not hard here as most of west MI has the same area code. 


Those data miner guys work in collaboration with vendors who supply other bits of info.
In time, they correlate your e-mail address with your name, IP Address, geographic location, etc.

Please explain how you think that the "data miner guys" and "vendors" are able to obtain my email address tied to my IP address and geograpich location.  It's not fesable unless your talking about NSA and they've got better things to do than trying too look up Joe Blow's email/IP correlation. 

 

e.g. Google maintains all search words used from an IP Address.
So you say you have been using the same IP Address for years? :smileyhappy:

Never said I used my IP address for years.

 

How much info will that reveal about you?

Like I said before my IP address reveals nothing about me.  It's just a number, among millions of others out there. 

 

And people are willing to pay for that info.

Please give us specifics.  Your talking in generalities.   I have a good friend who works for Nielsen Media Research and I am well aware of what is tracked as far as Internet usage and web browsing.


Interesting cases:
Someone (customer support) at AOL(?) started selling customer credit card info sometime ago.
I also head of a case where a customer/tech support person started selling info of certain subscribers to parties that paid him directly.
These parties were trying to locate (with criminal intent) a person using his IP address.

Again you are talking about someone here who has done something illegal.  In this type of situation court orders are obtained to get the required information.  AOL, AT&T or any other ISP does not just hand it over. 

 

IP data mining in regards to web usage has been going on for years.  It is done with IP addresses and in no way points back to any personal information about you.  If you are not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about.  The people in black helecopters are not coming after you.  Honest!

 


 

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Remember about a year ago a user posted 4 or 5 IP address mapping websites. Well the first one put me in Ohio, next one in western MI, same w/ the next.  The last two popped right on my address here on the east side of metro Detroit.  One even had my ATT address identifier of F-2R, second floor right from the front in the 4 family apt buiding I live in. :smileyvery-happy:


Chris

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mibrnsurg wrote:

Remember about a year ago a user posted 4 or 5 IP address mapping websites. Well the first one put me in Ohio, next one in western MI, same w/ the next.  The last two popped right on my address here on the east side of metro Detroit.  One even had my ATT address identifier of F-2R, second floor right from the front in the 4 family apt buiding I live in. :smileyvery-happy:


Chris

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I was raised on the east side.

 

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That web site was somewhat close.  It had me in the same county.  Nothing there that I'm worried about.

” Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports … all others are games.”- Ernest Hemingway
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That one got me ten blocks from home. :smileyvery-happy:


Chris

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1-800-983-2811 to avoid Mr. Voice Recognition
Your Results May Vary, In My Humble Opinion
I Call It Like I See It, Simply a U-verse user, nothing more

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.
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For some UVerse customers the IP address gives the location of your VRAD and nothing else. So if someone really wanted to find you I guess they could hang around the Vrad in hopes of catching a glimse of you....I'm not concerned about that in the least. To some a static IP is a blessing and certainly not a curse.

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Others:

 

http://www.ip2map.com

 

 

And this will give you more details:

 

http://www.ip2location.com/1.2.3.4

(replace 1.2.3.4 with your real ip address)

 

You get browser type, Operating System, etc identified.

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The real fun begins when they begin associating IP Addresses with Social Security Numbers.

But then, they are all just plain old numbers, right? :smileyhappy:

Just 1 particular number in a couple of million numbers...

 

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Ok, so I put my IP address in the address line and it didn't have me in the correct town so still, no issue.

” Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports … all others are games.”- Ernest Hemingway
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texasguy77 wrote:

For some UVerse customers the IP address gives the location of your VRAD and nothing else. So if someone really wanted to find you I guess they could hang around the Vrad in hopes of catching a glimse of you....I'm not concerned about that in the least. To some a static IP is a blessing and certainly not a curse.


 

This is not true. The VRAD has no knowledge of the IP address issued to the individual clients. The first piece of equipment to be aware (or care about) the IP address is in the VHO, and the VHO generally serves a pretty large area.

 

Static or dynamic ... it doesn't matter as both are quite traceable and logged. Any agency or organization that wants to (and has authority) can find out exactly who was connected where, for how long, and what resources were accessed.

 

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ScottMac wrote:

 

Any agency or organization that wants to (and has authority) can find out exactly who was connected where, for how long, and what resources were accessed.

 


What about dubious marketing organizations (that are not supposed to have authority)?

You know, like AT&T's business partners :smileyhappy:

 

Can they find out exactly who was connected where, for how long, and what resources were accessed?

 

I can see many marketing agencies drooling over the thought of associating your IP Address to your home address, SSN, and search history on a major search engine, like Google.
Think of all the things they could sell to you, and sell you to other dubious marketing agencies :smileyhappy:

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This is about wireless 

 

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Telcos-Begin-Monetizing-Your-Wireless-Location-Data-108644

 

But if you wonder around the web very much you are being tracked. That is what Google is all about. I may have used Chrome instead of FF but it is a direct line to Google. I keep some control with NoScript and the google-analytics script that most web sites use to help google track you. Other sites may care less about your privacy and will sell your id info in a heart beat. You are clicking on their sites so you are volunteering to be tracked. Changing IP address will not help that much. Go on any people search site and Inteluis has you listed unless you have dropped off the map on purpose and only deal in cash.

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Escapee wrote:

This is about wireless 

 

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Telcos-Begin-Monetizing-Your-Wireless-Location-Data-108644

 

But if you wonder around the web very much you are being tracked. That is what Google is all about. I may have used Chrome instead of FF but it is a direct line to Google. I keep some control with NoScript and the google-analytics script that most web sites use to help google track you. Other sites may care less about your privacy and will sell your id info in a heart beat. You are clicking on their sites so you are volunteering to be tracked. Changing IP address will not help that much. Go on any people search site and Inteluis has you listed unless you have dropped off the map on purpose and only deal in cash.


Thank you for the link about wireless.

I was not aware that intelius.com started tracking down people by e-mail address!
Tried that on some people I know, and their partially masked e-mail address came up!
Looking at e-mail headers, they will be able to harvest the originating IP Addresses for their database to include in a search/cross-reference too.

Changing IP and e-mail addresses will make it harder for people like Google to maintain any kind of useful history on an indvidual for long.
Ever notice how the cars/houses that are easiest to break into get broken into more frequently?
While it may be impossible to stop the marketing bandits from tracking people, the people who allow themselves to be tracked easier are going to be more susceptible to whatever is brewing out there.

 

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My only suggestion would be to do all your surfing through a proxy service. I don't even know if or how that really works. It may get harder and harder with any vendor to get changing IP addresses like in the past. Even if you change IP if they have your MAC address and an IP address at any point they can match you MAC address to the new changed IP.

The privacy of the past is gone if you surf the web.  In the past there were free giveaways everywhere if you just filled out the slip and put it in the box. Then people could not figure out why they they got so much junk mail. Just be careful where and how you surf. I Use NoScript addon to Firefox so I can limit some of the tracking. If I want to see the web site bad enough I click on the java script permissions or not.

 

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Nate2 wrote:

ScottMac wrote:

 

Any agency or organization that wants to (and has authority) can find out exactly who was connected where, for how long, and what resources were accessed.

 


What about dubious marketing organizations (that are not supposed to have authority)?

You know, like AT&T's business partners :smileyhappy:

 

Can they find out exactly who was connected where, for how long, and what resources were accessed?

 

I can see many marketing agencies drooling over the thought of associating your IP Address to your home address, SSN, and search history on a major search engine, like Google.
Think of all the things they could sell to you, and sell you to other dubious marketing agencies :smileyhappy:


 

What about dubious marketing organizations (that are not supposed to have authority)?

You know, like AT&T's business partners :smileyhappy:

 

Can they find out exactly who was connected where, for how long, and what resources were accessed?

 

Only within the limits of the contract you signed.

 

I can see many marketing agencies drooling over the thought of associating your IP Address to your home address, SSN, and search history on a major search engine, like Google.
Think of all the things they could sell to you, and sell you to other dubious marketing agencies :smileyhappy:

 

Whatever IP to home address mapping there may be (anything AT&T has is indirect; i.e., there are records with your IP address, and there are records with your home address, but they are not in teh same tables/records, and ot likely even in the same database) is not public information unless you make it so, either intentionally or unintentionally.

 

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