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2Wire firewall vs. ATT Yahoo McAfee Firewall - should both be run?

I used to have SBC DSL 1.5Mbps - and have now upgraded to UVERSE 18Mbps service...

 

along with the Uverse service comes the 2Wire router/gateway - which has a firewall built in, but does it conflict or complement the McAfee service installed on our PC's?

 

It seems that there is some 'security' involved in the 2wire itself, but there's also the "Home Network" that can be secured by McAfee as well - with trusted/untrusted networks.  And then let's throw in Windows 7 Homegroup - and it's quite a menagerie of loops and holes to jump through for system to system access...

 

  1. I understand that 2Wire protects the wire from intruders
  2. McAfee protects PC's from each other on the network from each other (in case viruses spread on the internal network) - but do they need to block ports internally?
  3. Win7 Homegroup just simplifies sharing - but no real 'security' - correct?

 

 

What is everyone's recommendation?

I used to have SBC DSL 1.5Mbps - and have now upgraded to UVERSE 18Mbps service...

 

along with the Uverse service comes the 2Wire router/gateway - which has a firewall built in, but does it conflict or complement the McAfee service installed on our PC's?

 

It seems that there is some 'security' involved in the 2wire itself, but there's also the "Home Network" that can be secured by McAfee as well - with trusted/untrusted networks.  And then let's throw in Windows 7 Homegroup - and it's quite a menagerie of loops and holes to jump through for system to system access...

 

  1. I understand that 2Wire protects the wire from intruders
  2. McAfee protects PC's from each other on the network from each other (in case viruses spread on the internal network) - but do they need to block ports internally?
  3. Win7 Homegroup just simplifies sharing - but no real 'security' - correct?

 

 

What is everyone's recommendation?

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Recommendations, I'd ditch McAfee and go with MSE (Microsoft Security Essentials) for your anti-virus; runs fast and lean, and don't be afraid because it's Microsoft. Smiley Wink

 

Your Homegroup is protected via your firewall and anti-virus.  If you need a port open through the 2Wire, it can easily be done on this page

 

Recommendations, I'd ditch McAfee and go with MSE (Microsoft Security Essentials) for your anti-virus; runs fast and lean, and don't be afraid because it's Microsoft. Smiley Wink

 

Your Homegroup is protected via your firewall and anti-virus.  If you need a port open through the 2Wire, it can easily be done on this page

 

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so under "Advanced Configuration" there are these options:

 

I'm assuming that these are all blocked from 'incoming' threats - not on the private network - correct?

 

Attack Detection

Excessive Session Detection
TCP/UDP Port Scan
Invalid Source/Destination IP address
Packet Flood (SYN/UDP/ICMP/Other)
Invalid TCP Flag Attacks (NULL/XMAS/Other)
Invalid ICMP Detection
Miscellaneous

 

 

 

 

so under "Advanced Configuration" there are these options:

 

I'm assuming that these are all blocked from 'incoming' threats - not on the private network - correct?

 

Attack Detection

Excessive Session Detection
TCP/UDP Port Scan
Invalid Source/Destination IP address
Packet Flood (SYN/UDP/ICMP/Other)
Invalid TCP Flag Attacks (NULL/XMAS/Other)
Invalid ICMP Detection
Miscellaneous

 

 

 

 

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Edited by spd2demun on Oct 11, 2010 at 8:13:32 PM

2Wire Firewall is protecting Incoming and Outgoing.

 

Maybe this will help:

 

...Firewalls are used to filter the information that a computer sends and receives. Firewalls make sure no other computer can access information from a computer the owner doesn't want it to...

Anti-virus software prevents a computer from becoming infected with computer viruses...

When you say Private Network, are you meaning a VPN?

 

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2Wire Firewall is protecting Incoming and Outgoing.

 

Maybe this will help:

 

...Firewalls are used to filter the information that a computer sends and receives. Firewalls make sure no other computer can access information from a computer the owner doesn't want it to...

Anti-virus software prevents a computer from becoming infected with computer viruses...

When you say Private Network, are you meaning a VPN?

 

edit, format correction

 

 


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when I say "private network" I meet the network behind the firewall - the class C shared by the PC's in my home

when I say "private network" I meet the network behind the firewall - the class C shared by the PC's in my home

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toadster_1 wrote:

I used to have SBC DSL 1.5Mbps - and have now upgraded to UVERSE 18Mbps service...

 

along with the Uverse service comes the 2Wire router/gateway - which has a firewall built in, but does it conflict or complement the McAfee service installed on our PC's?

 

It seems that there is some 'security' involved in the 2wire itself, but there's also the "Home Network" that can be secured by McAfee as well - with trusted/untrusted networks.  And then let's throw in Windows 7 Homegroup - and it's quite a menagerie of loops and holes to jump through for system to system access...

 

  1. I understand that 2Wire protects the wire from intruders
  2. McAfee protects PC's from each other on the network from each other (in case viruses spread on the internal network) - but do they need to block ports internally?
  3. Win7 Homegroup just simplifies sharing - but no real 'security' - correct?

 

 

What is everyone's recommendation?


 

 

The first line of defense is a gateway/router that is configured properly (like changing the login/password). Software based security is important as well, but you can have too much of a good thing. Don't run more than one firewall app at a time as it can create conflics that can cause both to fail.

 

Just to be clear, I have 2 laptops and 5 desktops, all networked, all running XPMCE w/SP3 and IE8.

 

So called "Security Suites" often are bloated, power-hungry apps with many features you may never need or use.

 

For proactive protection, I have been using plain old Norton Anti-Virus for about 10 years now. (not the same version :smileywink:) Sure, NAV has had a few growing pains in that time, but it's recent iterations have become a fairly lean, mean virus fightin' machine. As well, they now give free upgrades to the latest version if your subscription is current. My only complaint is that the default settings on install are a little lax for my liking and I hate their consumer-level support (overseas).

 

 I supplement that with Spybot Search & Destroy. This free program is quite useful with many tools. http://www.safer-networking.org/en/spybotsd/index.html 

 

There are three other programs I use on a regular basis for manual checks If I get suspicious. Those are Malwarebytes Anti-Malware http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php , Exterminate it! http://www.exterminate-it.com/ , and HijackThis http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/. The free version of Malwarebytes is manual use only (manual updates, manual scans) but will remove what it finds. The free version of Exterminate it! is manual use as well but will only show you what it finds, you are responsible for removal. HijackThis, is like Malwarebytes, in that it is manual use only but is a little trickier to use because it doesn't differentiate between good and bad findings, so be careful what you tell it to fix.

 

Last but not least is CCleaner http://www.piriform.com/ which is useful for cleaning out temp internet files including cookies and those pesky index.dat files.

 

Besides building and repairing PCs, I do detox as well. These tools have never failed me yet. I get some PCs that are so polluted they won't even boot. Under those conditions, I remove the drive from that machine and install it in my own tower. I can then scrub the drive clean of all suspect files as well as mount the registry hive for cleaning.

 

The main thing to remember is that most malware gets on your computer through invitation only: funny little mouse pointers, sure (click). Another toolbar for my browser, why not I can still see a couple of inches of the webpage (click). Of course I'd like to add a two more inches to my (click). A free plugin so I can watch this free porn, where do I sign up (click, click, click, click).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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toadster_1 wrote:

I used to have SBC DSL 1.5Mbps - and have now upgraded to UVERSE 18Mbps service...

 

along with the Uverse service comes the 2Wire router/gateway - which has a firewall built in, but does it conflict or complement the McAfee service installed on our PC's?

 

It seems that there is some 'security' involved in the 2wire itself, but there's also the "Home Network" that can be secured by McAfee as well - with trusted/untrusted networks.  And then let's throw in Windows 7 Homegroup - and it's quite a menagerie of loops and holes to jump through for system to system access...

 

  1. I understand that 2Wire protects the wire from intruders
  2. McAfee protects PC's from each other on the network from each other (in case viruses spread on the internal network) - but do they need to block ports internally?
  3. Win7 Homegroup just simplifies sharing - but no real 'security' - correct?

 

 

What is everyone's recommendation?


 

 

The first line of defense is a gateway/router that is configured properly (like changing the login/password). Software based security is important as well, but you can have too much of a good thing. Don't run more than one firewall app at a time as it can create conflics that can cause both to fail.

 

Just to be clear, I have 2 laptops and 5 desktops, all networked, all running XPMCE w/SP3 and IE8.

 

So called "Security Suites" often are bloated, power-hungry apps with many features you may never need or use.

 

For proactive protection, I have been using plain old Norton Anti-Virus for about 10 years now. (not the same version :smileywink:) Sure, NAV has had a few growing pains in that time, but it's recent iterations have become a fairly lean, mean virus fightin' machine. As well, they now give free upgrades to the latest version if your subscription is current. My only complaint is that the default settings on install are a little lax for my liking and I hate their consumer-level support (overseas).

 

 I supplement that with Spybot Search & Destroy. This free program is quite useful with many tools. http://www.safer-networking.org/en/spybotsd/index.html 

 

There are three other programs I use on a regular basis for manual checks If I get suspicious. Those are Malwarebytes Anti-Malware http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php , Exterminate it! http://www.exterminate-it.com/ , and HijackThis http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/. The free version of Malwarebytes is manual use only (manual updates, manual scans) but will remove what it finds. The free version of Exterminate it! is manual use as well but will only show you what it finds, you are responsible for removal. HijackThis, is like Malwarebytes, in that it is manual use only but is a little trickier to use because it doesn't differentiate between good and bad findings, so be careful what you tell it to fix.

 

Last but not least is CCleaner http://www.piriform.com/ which is useful for cleaning out temp internet files including cookies and those pesky index.dat files.

 

Besides building and repairing PCs, I do detox as well. These tools have never failed me yet. I get some PCs that are so polluted they won't even boot. Under those conditions, I remove the drive from that machine and install it in my own tower. I can then scrub the drive clean of all suspect files as well as mount the registry hive for cleaning.

 

The main thing to remember is that most malware gets on your computer through invitation only: funny little mouse pointers, sure (click). Another toolbar for my browser, why not I can still see a couple of inches of the webpage (click). Of course I'd like to add a two more inches to my (click). A free plugin so I can watch this free porn, where do I sign up (click, click, click, click).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Those are all great suggestions - I have 5 Desktops, 4 laptops, 1 NAS, 2 iPhones, 3 iTouches, 2 Zunes, and 1 media extender in the house so it's pretty crazy for networking as you can imagine.  Only one of the systems is connected directly to the 2Wire box itself - the rest are wireless!

 

I'm curious as to AT&T's recommendation as they provide both the software and hardware security solutions - if we're behind the 2Wire firewall - does the McAfee firewall need to be running?

 

 

Those are all great suggestions - I have 5 Desktops, 4 laptops, 1 NAS, 2 iPhones, 3 iTouches, 2 Zunes, and 1 media extender in the house so it's pretty crazy for networking as you can imagine.  Only one of the systems is connected directly to the 2Wire box itself - the rest are wireless!

 

I'm curious as to AT&T's recommendation as they provide both the software and hardware security solutions - if we're behind the 2Wire firewall - does the McAfee firewall need to be running?

 

 

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toadster_1 wrote:

Those are all great suggestions - I have 5 Desktops, 4 laptops, 1 NAS, 2 iPhones, 3 iTouches, 2 Zunes, and 1 media extender in the house so it's pretty crazy for networking as you can imagine.  Only one of the systems is connected directly to the 2Wire box itself - the rest are wireless!

 

I'm curious as to AT&T's recommendation as they provide both the software and hardware security solutions - if we're behind the 2Wire firewall - does the McAfee firewall need to be running?

 

 


IMO the 2WIRE will only protect you from unsolicited incoming threats, it can't protect the computers on your LAN from each other. That's where the PC based firewall/antivirus software comes into play. Say your kid brings home their (unbeknown to them) infected laptop from college and jumps on to your network, the 2WIRE won't protect your computers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

__________________________________________________________
How can you be in two places at once, when your not anywhere at all?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I realy want to become a procrastinator, but I keep putting it off.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There are three kinds of people, those that can count, and those that can't.

                              


toadster_1 wrote:

Those are all great suggestions - I have 5 Desktops, 4 laptops, 1 NAS, 2 iPhones, 3 iTouches, 2 Zunes, and 1 media extender in the house so it's pretty crazy for networking as you can imagine.  Only one of the systems is connected directly to the 2Wire box itself - the rest are wireless!

 

I'm curious as to AT&T's recommendation as they provide both the software and hardware security solutions - if we're behind the 2Wire firewall - does the McAfee firewall need to be running?

 

 


IMO the 2WIRE will only protect you from unsolicited incoming threats, it can't protect the computers on your LAN from each other. That's where the PC based firewall/antivirus software comes into play. Say your kid brings home their (unbeknown to them) infected laptop from college and jumps on to your network, the 2WIRE won't protect your computers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How can you be in two places at once, when your not anywhere at all?
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I'd stay away from anything McAfee.  As a technical support agent for a major software company, McAfee is one of the worst.  We're actually recommending Microsoft Security Essentials now since it's FREE and does a great job and best thing is that it works very well with Windows.  MSE

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I'd stay away from anything McAfee.  As a technical support agent for a major software company, McAfee is one of the worst.  We're actually recommending Microsoft Security Essentials now since it's FREE and does a great job and best thing is that it works very well with Windows.  MSE

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