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The End of the Internet as we Know it?

An appeals court has ruled that the FCC overreached its bounds when it comes to net neutrality.  Basically the FCC could rewrite the rules but in the mean time, who, if any,  will be the first to cut a deal with Netflix and throttle Amazon?  Smiley Surprised

An appeals court has ruled that the FCC overreached its bounds when it comes to net neutrality.  Basically the FCC could rewrite the rules but in the mean time, who, if any,  will be the first to cut a deal with Netflix and throttle Amazon?  Smiley Surprised

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It disgusts me.

The FCC will probably try to rewrite the rules according to how the court says it should be done, but it may not pass, and you can be sure that someone will attempt to make sure the FCC can't do its job.

In the end the losers are all the consumers who will be cut off from services that they want so that the corporations can shove what they want down our throats.
It disgusts me.

The FCC will probably try to rewrite the rules according to how the court says it should be done, but it may not pass, and you can be sure that someone will attempt to make sure the FCC can't do its job.

In the end the losers are all the consumers who will be cut off from services that they want so that the corporations can shove what they want down our throats.

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Yup, and you can bet AT&T, as well as any other provider that does Internet and TV will be sending a bus full of lawyers and campaign funds to Washington.

 

The FCC better get on the ball and reclassify or we're all gonna be using our Internet connections for what the provider wants, not what we want.

 

 

 

 

 




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Yup, and you can bet AT&T, as well as any other provider that does Internet and TV will be sending a bus full of lawyers and campaign funds to Washington.

 

The FCC better get on the ball and reclassify or we're all gonna be using our Internet connections for what the provider wants, not what we want.

 

 

 

 

 




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Hmmmmm.  And guess who controls the FCC.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money. .......Margaret Thatcher

Hmmmmm.  And guess who controls the FCC.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money. .......Margaret Thatcher
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The politicians, who are controlled by the lobbyists, who are hired by companies with big pockets.

The politicians, who are controlled by the lobbyists, who are hired by companies with big pockets.

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Edited by dhascall on Feb 20, 2014 at 6:58:20 AM
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dhascall wrote:

They are trying to rewrite the rules.  Meanwhile Verizon appears to be throttling Netflix. Smiley Surprised


I do not believe that Verizon is technically throttling Netflix's traffic, no more than I believe that AT&T is specifically throttling Netflix's traffic.  What I do believe is that neither of them is growing their network connections in the direction of Netflix's incoming traffic, even though they recognize that those connections are often becoming overburdened as a result of the traffic generated by Netflix.  This situation will continue until some compensation arrangement is arrived at so that the ISP can cover the expenses of the increased connections (and probably some profit as well).

 

And, no, I don't think this is a violation of neutrality.  I may be in the minority in this opinion.

 

 

 


dhascall wrote:

They are trying to rewrite the rules.  Meanwhile Verizon appears to be throttling Netflix. Smiley Surprised


I do not believe that Verizon is technically throttling Netflix's traffic, no more than I believe that AT&T is specifically throttling Netflix's traffic.  What I do believe is that neither of them is growing their network connections in the direction of Netflix's incoming traffic, even though they recognize that those connections are often becoming overburdened as a result of the traffic generated by Netflix.  This situation will continue until some compensation arrangement is arrived at so that the ISP can cover the expenses of the increased connections (and probably some profit as well).

 

And, no, I don't think this is a violation of neutrality.  I may be in the minority in this opinion.

 

 

 

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I'm a Netflix subscriber and I feel that Netflix is partially at fault here. They are not willing to help pay for the upgrades necessary, or pay fee's to the ISPs to offset the costs for the last mile service.  I know many Netflix customers who would be angry with a rise in subscription costs, but I can understand and would not have any issues if the increase was not too much. 

” Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports … all others are games.”- Ernest Hemingway

I'm a Netflix subscriber and I feel that Netflix is partially at fault here. They are not willing to help pay for the upgrades necessary, or pay fee's to the ISPs to offset the costs for the last mile service.  I know many Netflix customers who would be angry with a rise in subscription costs, but I can understand and would not have any issues if the increase was not too much. 

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From what I got out of that article, it sounds like a throttle to me.  I have to chuckle when I see reports that state that "Netflix uses 78% (or whatever it is) of the World's Internet bandwidth."  And what esteemed, learned, institute is putting that out?  Probably a Verizon (or Comcast, or AT&T) funded "Think Tank," guising itself as a legitimate body.   Kinda like AT&T saying that if we don't enforce DSL caps, the entire network will crumble.  Network?  No we actually meant "profit model," our bad. Smiley Happy

From what I got out of that article, it sounds like a throttle to me.  I have to chuckle when I see reports that state that "Netflix uses 78% (or whatever it is) of the World's Internet bandwidth."  And what esteemed, learned, institute is putting that out?  Probably a Verizon (or Comcast, or AT&T) funded "Think Tank," guising itself as a legitimate body.   Kinda like AT&T saying that if we don't enforce DSL caps, the entire network will crumble.  Network?  No we actually meant "profit model," our bad. Smiley Happy

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They're not saying (or it's not what they mean) that Netflix is using 78% (or whatever) of the world's available bandwidth.  What they're doing is measuring actually traffic and they're saying that 78% of the volume of traffic came from Netflix.

 

And I take throttling to mean that the ISP is actively blocking traffic that it has the capacity to pass.  Or it is specifically acting on some traffic (based on some parameters) to keep traffic within its capacity to pass.  I don't believe that this represents what AT&T is doing.  I think they're just not acting to increase capacity of the links between them and other entities.

 

This has the practical effect of blocking mostly Netflix traffic, because that's mostly what's coming through these affected connection points.  To me throttling would be that they have their routers look at and priorize the traffic and not allow Netflix traffic through while delibarately allowing others in.  It may be a subtle difference, but it's real.

 

 

They're not saying (or it's not what they mean) that Netflix is using 78% (or whatever) of the world's available bandwidth.  What they're doing is measuring actually traffic and they're saying that 78% of the volume of traffic came from Netflix.

 

And I take throttling to mean that the ISP is actively blocking traffic that it has the capacity to pass.  Or it is specifically acting on some traffic (based on some parameters) to keep traffic within its capacity to pass.  I don't believe that this represents what AT&T is doing.  I think they're just not acting to increase capacity of the links between them and other entities.

 

This has the practical effect of blocking mostly Netflix traffic, because that's mostly what's coming through these affected connection points.  To me throttling would be that they have their routers look at and priorize the traffic and not allow Netflix traffic through while delibarately allowing others in.  It may be a subtle difference, but it's real.

 

 

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