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Will Northeast MI ever receive 3G?

I've heard talk about how ATT is "working on their network coverage" and plans to provide 3G service in Northeast MI "in the coming months".  Well, now that another 2 year contract has expired, I'm seriously wondering if I would be better off jumping to Verizon.  The EDGE data network up here if virtually useless.  5 full bars, yet extremely poor data transfer.  

 

Can anyone provide an HONEST answer as to when this coverage is planned to be upgraded???  Verizon has had 3G for quite a long while up here...

I've heard talk about how ATT is "working on their network coverage" and plans to provide 3G service in Northeast MI "in the coming months".  Well, now that another 2 year contract has expired, I'm seriously wondering if I would be better off jumping to Verizon.  The EDGE data network up here if virtually useless.  5 full bars, yet extremely poor data transfer.  

 

Can anyone provide an HONEST answer as to when this coverage is planned to be upgraded???  Verizon has had 3G for quite a long while up here...

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Lewyman...all he more reason to improve the service coverage in the area! I work for a company that uses handheld computers which access the att network for data transmission, and half of the time these units are in "noack" (no acknowledgment) for data signal the majority of the time.
I'm hoarse from barking up this tree for so long...
Lewyman...all he more reason to improve the service coverage in the area! I work for a company that uses handheld computers which access the att network for data transmission, and half of the time these units are in "noack" (no acknowledgment) for data signal the majority of the time.
I'm hoarse from barking up this tree for so long...

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I agree 100% and I feel your pain. The slow data up there is absolutely terrible. In my opinion, AT&T made a major mistake by investing in upgrading their 3G network to HSPA+ in areas where they have enough 700 MHz spectrum for LTE. They should have followed Verizon's lead by upgrading from 3G right to LTE in those areas while at the same time upgrade areas like Northern MI from EDGE to HSPA+. Tpeltz is correct by saying that AT&T does not have the spectrum to deploy LTE in northern MI....yet... but they do for H+ . Another problem is they have to start replacing those old Bogner(whip style) antennas on their towers with the Powerwave MIMO active array antennas and they are not doing that from what I have seen. There was talk a few years ago of Verizon releasing EV-DO Rev.B which would have increased their current 3G speeds up to a max of 14.7 Mb/s, but they wisely chose to move on to LTE. I think AT&T is being  forced into upgrading their entire network now and they are....slowly!!

I agree 100% and I feel your pain. The slow data up there is absolutely terrible. In my opinion, AT&T made a major mistake by investing in upgrading their 3G network to HSPA+ in areas where they have enough 700 MHz spectrum for LTE. They should have followed Verizon's lead by upgrading from 3G right to LTE in those areas while at the same time upgrade areas like Northern MI from EDGE to HSPA+. Tpeltz is correct by saying that AT&T does not have the spectrum to deploy LTE in northern MI....yet... but they do for H+ . Another problem is they have to start replacing those old Bogner(whip style) antennas on their towers with the Powerwave MIMO active array antennas and they are not doing that from what I have seen. There was talk a few years ago of Verizon releasing EV-DO Rev.B which would have increased their current 3G speeds up to a max of 14.7 Mb/s, but they wisely chose to move on to LTE. I think AT&T is being  forced into upgrading their entire network now and they are....slowly!!

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@JREwing53

 

 Ishpeming currently has AT&T 3G/HSPA+ coverage as part of the Marquette market. That area has been upgraded for quite some time.

@JREwing53

 

 Ishpeming currently has AT&T 3G/HSPA+ coverage as part of the Marquette market. That area has been upgraded for quite some time.

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I'm thinking I might get service faster if I were to just pack up and move!

I'm thinking I might get service faster if I were to just pack up and move!

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@Mjrtom7

 

What area are you in? I am guessing we will see a large rollout of 3G/HSPA+ by next year. They are behind the eight ball but they are forced into it now. I can't believe Verizon hasn't rolled out LTE in the northeast especially Alpena, Tawas, and Oscoda areas.  

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What area are you in? I am guessing we will see a large rollout of 3G/HSPA+ by next year. They are behind the eight ball but they are forced into it now. I can't believe Verizon hasn't rolled out LTE in the northeast especially Alpena, Tawas, and Oscoda areas.  

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@Lewyman & Mjrtom7 - Verizon will be rolling out LTE in late winter 2013 for the Alpena, Cheboygan, and Mackinaw markets. Rogers City, Tawas, Oscoda sized markets will go live in the spring/early summer of 2013.
@Lewyman & Mjrtom7 - Verizon will be rolling out LTE in late winter 2013 for the Alpena, Cheboygan, and Mackinaw markets. Rogers City, Tawas, Oscoda sized markets will go live in the spring/early summer of 2013.

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Alright Tpeltz......we are going to hold you to thatSmiley Happy  I checked the Verizon tower in Lewiston last weekend and got a real good close up pic of it and it doesn't appear to have been upgraded yet. Now the AT&T tower that was behind Glen's market is gone. The structure has been dismantled and I can't figure out where the heck they moved it to.  With last week's big list of new Verizon LTE markets and expansions, I wonder if they are going to be done for the year because they have never listed cities as " before the end of 201* " before. Hope they keep adding them!

Alright Tpeltz......we are going to hold you to thatSmiley Happy  I checked the Verizon tower in Lewiston last weekend and got a real good close up pic of it and it doesn't appear to have been upgraded yet. Now the AT&T tower that was behind Glen's market is gone. The structure has been dismantled and I can't figure out where the heck they moved it to.  With last week's big list of new Verizon LTE markets and expansions, I wonder if they are going to be done for the year because they have never listed cities as " before the end of 201* " before. Hope they keep adding them!

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Lewyman - I live in Alpena.

"3G/HSPA+ by next year"??? You mean in two and a half months, or by December 2013? I feel like I've been stuck with basic cable, while all of my neighbors are watching satellite...
Lewyman - I live in Alpena.

"3G/HSPA+ by next year"??? You mean in two and a half months, or by December 2013? I feel like I've been stuck with basic cable, while all of my neighbors are watching satellite...

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Mjrtom7.....It's really hard to say when for sure and AT&T has been playing a smoke and mirror game for a couple of years now. One thing is for sure you can't believe what they tell you in the store or by calling C.S. They are a bunch of flip dix for the most part. Like Tpeltz said in another thread, he was told that N.E. MI won't get it until Q4 2013. That could change and being you are in Alpena, your city will be one of the first to get it. If you look at all the new coverage areas on their map they seem to be rolling out coverage along major highways and since Gaylord is now live, they may start covering M-32 across to Alpena.
Mjrtom7.....It's really hard to say when for sure and AT&T has been playing a smoke and mirror game for a couple of years now. One thing is for sure you can't believe what they tell you in the store or by calling C.S. They are a bunch of flip dix for the most part. Like Tpeltz said in another thread, he was told that N.E. MI won't get it until Q4 2013. That could change and being you are in Alpena, your city will be one of the first to get it. If you look at all the new coverage areas on their map they seem to be rolling out coverage along major highways and since Gaylord is now live, they may start covering M-32 across to Alpena.

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AT&T has updated it's coverage map this morning and suprisingly it still does not show the 3G/HSPA+ coverage in Gaylord which went live unofficially on September 7. Interesting because they showed the upgraded coverage in the Soo and south along I-75 after going live on their next updated map. Maybe they will be expanding a HUGE area before they show it on the mapSmiley Happy
AT&T has updated it's coverage map this morning and suprisingly it still does not show the 3G/HSPA+ coverage in Gaylord which went live unofficially on September 7. Interesting because they showed the upgraded coverage in the Soo and south along I-75 after going live on their next updated map. Maybe they will be expanding a HUGE area before they show it on the mapSmiley Happy

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Expanding a HUGE area?  We are talking about ATT here, right Lewyman?

I was traveling around near Flint last weekend and I had a chance to realize some of the nice features that my new iPhone has to offer.  It was amazing to be able to use the much maligned new IOS maps, and actually observe the maps drawing on the screen before my eyes!  I was able to search for a song on SoundHound...and pull up a radio staion on TuneIn without losing the signal every 30 seconds.  Now that I can see how the phone is SUPPOSED to work with a legitimate data connection, I'm that much more dissappointed with the s#itty Edge "network" we are having to endure up here.

 

Maybe some day....

Expanding a HUGE area?  We are talking about ATT here, right Lewyman?

I was traveling around near Flint last weekend and I had a chance to realize some of the nice features that my new iPhone has to offer.  It was amazing to be able to use the much maligned new IOS maps, and actually observe the maps drawing on the screen before my eyes!  I was able to search for a song on SoundHound...and pull up a radio staion on TuneIn without losing the signal every 30 seconds.  Now that I can see how the phone is SUPPOSED to work with a legitimate data connection, I'm that much more dissappointed with the s#itty Edge "network" we are having to endure up here.

 

Maybe some day....

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Edited by BrettMT on Oct 22, 2012 at 4:58:29 PM

Once you get northeast of the Mackinac Bridge, you will enjoy that [word filter avoidance] At&T Edge coverage. I have a 4G OneX device, and it's basically worthless around here.  It's 2012, not 1999.  I'm not sure that At&T understands that yet. The Verizon people just laugh at me when I tell them which carrier I'm with.

Once you get northeast of the Mackinac Bridge, you will enjoy that [word filter avoidance] At&T Edge coverage. I have a 4G OneX device, and it's basically worthless around here.  It's 2012, not 1999.  I'm not sure that At&T understands that yet. The Verizon people just laugh at me when I tell them which carrier I'm with.

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They updated the map again. Only showing Gaylord area with 3G/HSPA+.
They updated the map again. Only showing Gaylord area with 3G/HSPA+.

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I just looked at these "updated" maps.  There is no way that there is that much 4G coverage in my area, which is NE of the Macknac Bridge. I drive every day down Hwy 129 and I can't get a signal, let alone 4G reception in many of these new areas they are claiming 4G coverage.

My town of Pickford is supposedly surrounded by 4G according to the map.  At least they got my hometown right; only Edge coverage here.  Again, this is 2012, not 1999 AT&T.  

I just looked at these "updated" maps.  There is no way that there is that much 4G coverage in my area, which is NE of the Macknac Bridge. I drive every day down Hwy 129 and I can't get a signal, let alone 4G reception in many of these new areas they are claiming 4G coverage.

My town of Pickford is supposedly surrounded by 4G according to the map.  At least they got my hometown right; only Edge coverage here.  Again, this is 2012, not 1999 AT&T.  

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Stop in one of those areas and reboot your phone. I had to in Gaylord a few weeks ago because my was stuck on EDGE around Otsego Lake. With the latest updated map there is new 3G/H+ coverage over by Lake Michigan in the circle. Also there is new coverage in the thumb which is now 2/3 covered plus Gaylord. The Gaylord coverage I dont agree with. When leaving Lewiston and taking 612 to Meridian Line Rd to Old State Rd, my phone switches to 4G about two miles after turning and heading west on Old State. According to the coverage map that area should be solid EDGE so it I guess it varies. But....there is new coverage just not northeast!!!



JREwing53

Stop in one of those areas and reboot your phone. I had to in Gaylord a few weeks ago because my was stuck on EDGE around Otsego Lake. With the latest updated map there is new 3G/H+ coverage over by Lake Michigan in the circle. Also there is new coverage in the thumb which is now 2/3 covered plus Gaylord. The Gaylord coverage I dont agree with. When leaving Lewiston and taking 612 to Meridian Line Rd to Old State Rd, my phone switches to 4G about two miles after turning and heading west on Old State. According to the coverage map that area should be solid EDGE so it I guess it varies. But....there is new coverage just not northeast!!!



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Not that it would do any good...but I've decided to write a letter to the CEO of ATT.  I'll post a copy once I'm done (whenever that might be).  If interested, you can do the same.  Here is a list of CEO's

 

http://ceoemail.com/us-companies.php

Not that it would do any good...but I've decided to write a letter to the CEO of ATT.  I'll post a copy once I'm done (whenever that might be).  If interested, you can do the same.  Here is a list of CEO's

 

http://ceoemail.com/us-companies.php

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I just made a trip to Escanaba from my hometown of Pickford, Michigan.  I was astonished that Escanaba, Gladstone, and Manistique is still on Edge.  I can't believe this.  

And when it comes to the new At&t data coverage maps, don't believe it.  Example: It shows 4G coverage for about six miles south of Pickford. I can pick up about one mile of 4G coverage with my One X.  

And the Cedarville tower is still on Edge.

When is At&t going to get into the 21st century?

I just made a trip to Escanaba from my hometown of Pickford, Michigan.  I was astonished that Escanaba, Gladstone, and Manistique is still on Edge.  I can't believe this.  

And when it comes to the new At&t data coverage maps, don't believe it.  Example: It shows 4G coverage for about six miles south of Pickford. I can pick up about one mile of 4G coverage with my One X.  

And the Cedarville tower is still on Edge.

When is At&t going to get into the 21st century?

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http://http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/08/verizons-4g-lte-to-match-their-3g-footprint-by-mid-2013-... 

 

AT&T customers currently on EDGE where Verizon has 3G (about 99% of their network)......here is your sign. Verizon is serious about getting LTE completely rolled out. 

http://http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/08/verizons-4g-lte-to-match-their-3g-footprint-by-mid-2013-half-a-year-earlier-than-projected/ 

 

AT&T customers currently on EDGE where Verizon has 3G (about 99% of their network)......here is your sign. Verizon is serious about getting LTE completely rolled out. 

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Unfortunately, I see no evidence that AT&T is serious about bringing even 3G to the eastern Upper Peninsula.  We are still on Edge here, and out smartphones are basically worthless.  Several of my friends have Verizon and are excited about getting 4G LTE here next year. I want to stay with AT&T, but they need to get their act together around here fast.

Unfortunately, I see no evidence that AT&T is serious about bringing even 3G to the eastern Upper Peninsula.  We are still on Edge here, and out smartphones are basically worthless.  Several of my friends have Verizon and are excited about getting 4G LTE here next year. I want to stay with AT&T, but they need to get their act together around here fast.

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AT&T has '4g' in the eastern UP - St. Ignace through Sault Ste. Marie on i-75 only.

 

I'd like to see if on Drummond Island.

AT&T has '4g' in the eastern UP - St. Ignace through Sault Ste. Marie on i-75 only.

 

I'd like to see if on Drummond Island.

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I just wish someone would tell me when the Cedarville tower is going to be switched to a 4G tower.  We are almost to the end of the year, and still Edge coverage.  Totally unacceptable.  

Does the Cedarville tower reach Drummond Island?  Or is there one more tower on or near Drummond Island?

I just wish someone would tell me when the Cedarville tower is going to be switched to a 4G tower.  We are almost to the end of the year, and still Edge coverage.  Totally unacceptable.  

Does the Cedarville tower reach Drummond Island?  Or is there one more tower on or near Drummond Island?

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Verizon has expanded its LTE coverage in southeast Mi again and full coverage now from Detroit north all the way to just south of Marlette and there is a new unmentioned market in the western U.P. that is now live. Looks like the Ironwood area. AT&T......you better get a move on!!!!!!
Verizon has expanded its LTE coverage in southeast Mi again and full coverage now from Detroit north all the way to just south of Marlette and there is a new unmentioned market in the western U.P. that is now live. Looks like the Ironwood area. AT&T......you better get a move on!!!!!!

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Well here it is almost Christmas and no new 3G/4G coverage in northeast Mi. Very disappointing AT&T!! It seems now they are working more on their Lte network than getting nationwide HSPA+ coverage. Verizon has another huge Lte expansion coming tomorrow and Petoskey is supposed to get it by the end of the year. If AT&T doesn't improve coverage in N.E. Mi by spring, I am going to think about switching to Big Red.



Well here it is almost Christmas and no new 3G/4G coverage in northeast Mi. Very disappointing AT&T!! It seems now they are working more on their Lte network than getting nationwide HSPA+ coverage. Verizon has another huge Lte expansion coming tomorrow and Petoskey is supposed to get it by the end of the year. If AT&T doesn't improve coverage in N.E. Mi by spring, I am going to think about switching to Big Red.



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Well, its the end of the year here in the eastern upper peninsula of Michigan, and no 3G.  Our good old Cedarville tower is still on Edge, and our smartphones are expensive paperweights around here.

People around here are switching to Big Red at a rapid rate.  Seems like every day I run into someone who has a new Verizon phone. All it takes is converting the tower and AT&T can keep thousands of customers.

Well, its the end of the year here in the eastern upper peninsula of Michigan, and no 3G.  Our good old Cedarville tower is still on Edge, and our smartphones are expensive paperweights around here.

People around here are switching to Big Red at a rapid rate.  Seems like every day I run into someone who has a new Verizon phone. All it takes is converting the tower and AT&T can keep thousands of customers.

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Edited by Tpeltz on Dec 20, 2012 at 6:25:54 AM

Yeah not much AT&T progress at all. I didn't see any work on the towers in my area at all. On the other hand, Verizon just lit up LTE basically throughout all of the NW lower peninsula this morning. Check it out. THIS is progress. 

 

Yeah not much AT&T progress at all. I didn't see any work on the towers in my area at all. On the other hand, Verizon just lit up LTE basically throughout all of the NW lower peninsula this morning. Check it out. THIS is progress. 

 

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@ Tpeltz
Yes it is impressive. I can't believe Verizon hasn't turned on any towers in your area yet. Northeast Mi is just as populated as the northwest. When you switched to Verizon did you get Lte phones? In my area(Almont, Imlay City) Lte went live a few weeks before they announced it so if Verizon is going to have statewide coverage by the middle of next year I would bet you will see towers lighting up on a regular basis after the first of the year.
@ Tpeltz
Yes it is impressive. I can't believe Verizon hasn't turned on any towers in your area yet. Northeast Mi is just as populated as the northwest. When you switched to Verizon did you get Lte phones? In my area(Almont, Imlay City) Lte went live a few weeks before they announced it so if Verizon is going to have statewide coverage by the middle of next year I would bet you will see towers lighting up on a regular basis after the first of the year.

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@Lewyman 

 

They are turning on the Alpena market during Q1 of 2013. I upgraded to the iPhone 5, so I'll be able to harness the power of LTE once it goes live Smiley Happy 

 

They just finished up running fiber to all their cell sites in my area. I talked to a tech and he said that they are testing the LTE coverage, so some of it is already active (just not usable by customers). 

@Lewyman 

 

They are turning on the Alpena market during Q1 of 2013. I upgraded to the iPhone 5, so I'll be able to harness the power of LTE once it goes live Smiley Happy 

 

They just finished up running fiber to all their cell sites in my area. I talked to a tech and he said that they are testing the LTE coverage, so some of it is already active (just not usable by customers). 

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Very nice indeed! I would imagine with the amount of 3G coverage left they will be turning on larger areas when they expand next year and hopefully they will start putting up mono towers to fill in the areas of no coverage. I am disappointed in AT&T. I thought for sure they were going to aggresively expand hspa+ by the end of this year. Let us know if you see the LTE icon light up on your phone .The Lewiston tower still has the older arrays on it as of three weeks agoSmiley Sad
@ Tpeltz
Very nice indeed! I would imagine with the amount of 3G coverage left they will be turning on larger areas when they expand next year and hopefully they will start putting up mono towers to fill in the areas of no coverage. I am disappointed in AT&T. I thought for sure they were going to aggresively expand hspa+ by the end of this year. Let us know if you see the LTE icon light up on your phone .The Lewiston tower still has the older arrays on it as of three weeks agoSmiley Sad

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I called AT&T and submitted a "network report", or whatever you call it about a month ago.  I doubt whether it will do any good.

I've talked to many people who got free Microcell's, including me.

If I dare hear of Verizon LTE in my area, I'm paying the etf and going red.

I called AT&T and submitted a "network report", or whatever you call it about a month ago.  I doubt whether it will do any good.

I've talked to many people who got free Microcell's, including me.

If I dare hear of Verizon LTE in my area, I'm paying the etf and going red.

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Verizon expanded their LTE network today and Petoskey and Charlevoix now have coverage. There is extended LTE coverage up to the Mackinac Bridge including the southern tip of the Upper at the north end of the bridge. Also 1/3 of Mackinac Island has extended 4G coverage on the southern and western shoreline. Looking at Verizon's 3G map, their coverage is sparce in your area of Cedarville. In my opinion, that is the only downfall of Verizon is they have too many areas of non-coverage in the U.P. and the northern lower compared to AT&T's EDGE network. But then again the EDGE speeds are useless for anykind of surfing or sending pics but the only advantage AT&T has is they have more voice coverage. I said it before, if AT&T would upgrade their entire EDGE network to HSPA+ 21, they wouldn't have to worry so much about getting LTE rolled out and they wouldn't be losing customers at fast rate. But what do we know, we are just unhappy customers!  

@JREwing53

 

Verizon expanded their LTE network today and Petoskey and Charlevoix now have coverage. There is extended LTE coverage up to the Mackinac Bridge including the southern tip of the Upper at the north end of the bridge. Also 1/3 of Mackinac Island has extended 4G coverage on the southern and western shoreline. Looking at Verizon's 3G map, their coverage is sparce in your area of Cedarville. In my opinion, that is the only downfall of Verizon is they have too many areas of non-coverage in the U.P. and the northern lower compared to AT&T's EDGE network. But then again the EDGE speeds are useless for anykind of surfing or sending pics but the only advantage AT&T has is they have more voice coverage. I said it before, if AT&T would upgrade their entire EDGE network to HSPA+ 21, they wouldn't have to worry so much about getting LTE rolled out and they wouldn't be losing customers at fast rate. But what do we know, we are just unhappy customers!  

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