Want an iphone to use on At&t without data plan

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I am currently with At&t & not under contract and would like to purchase an iphone from ebay and use it on my At&t network without paying for a data plan. What should the iphone listing say to make sure it's compatible and how do I make sure I'm not paying for a data plan? I want to use the phone purely to text and call and do not care for other features such as internet. Thanks

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Hundreds of carriers?  We're discussing cellular service in the US, right?

 

Business 101: Insurance is a form of liability management.  A data plan is a "value added service".  They're NOT comparable.

 

Law 101: The laws governing the use of public roads are legislated by government.  Contracts are legally binding agreements between private parties.  Once again, not remotely comparable.

 

However, the point is moot anyway.  And I suppose that I should be grateful to AT&T.  Their behavior in this regard is so obnoxious that I spoke with some reps at a T-Mobile store.

If I move the four phones on my family plan to T-Mobile unsubsidized, not only will I be able to use smart phones without a data plan, it will save me $70 per month.


If you pan on using your iphone better factor inthe etf if they are still inside of 24 months of obtaining them they the 15 business days that it can take for the request to unlock the iphone from att - which if you etf out can only be started after they recieve and process your last months payment and etf if any.

Good luck at t-mobile just make sure you look at and computer every single penny that it will cost you to cut over, and rememebr each individual line has it's own contract end date. you maybe in for some pretty heavy sticker shock, oh and do forget to factor in the first pro-rated bill at your new carrier in the cost computation

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MagnusDredd wrote:

Hundreds of carriers?  We're discussing cellular service in the US, right?

 

Business 101: Insurance is a form of liability management.  A data plan is a "value added service".  They're NOT comparable.

 

Law 101: The laws governing the use of public roads are legislated by government.  Contracts are legally binding agreements between private parties.  Once again, not remotely comparable.

 

However, the point is moot anyway.  And I suppose that I should be grateful to AT&T.  Their behavior in this regard is so obnoxious that I spoke with some reps at a T-Mobile store.

If I move the four phones on my family plan to T-Mobile unsubsidized, not only will I be able to use smart phones without a data plan, it will save me $70 per month.


If those T-Mobile reps are telling you the truth... just remember that you get what you pay for! I have been with T-Mobile and AT&T is leaps and bounds ahead of T-Mobile with coverage, call quality and speed! Good luck to you.
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Regarding coverage:

I live in one of the largest cities in the US.  I was previously with T-mobile and my buddy at work still is.  Coverage at seems comparable  between my phone and his.  Furthermore, when I switched from T-mobile to AT&T I noticed no differences in coverage or call quality at all.  AT&T is reportedly has far more LTE (4G) coverage, but that's irrelavant since voice calls don't use LTE yet.

 

Regarding speed:

Speed?  Are you talking about data?  Did you somehow miss the part where this thread is about NOT wanting the data plan?

 

Regarding T-Mobile service plans:
I went to their website and checked out what the rep said.  They offer nano-SIMs (used ONLY by the iPhone 5??) for Value plans with or without data.  The iPhone 5 is specifically mentioned on the page.  I went so far as to take a couple of minutes to confirm this using their online chat.  Why would they offer iPhone 5 only SIMs for no data plan contracts, if they required a data plan for the iPhone 5?

 

Read the page yourself:
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Packages/ValuePackages.aspx

 

 

To be blunt, I left T-Mobile because they had some really indefensible policies at the time that cost me money.  To make matters worse, their reps responded like their policy was reasonable and offered me no way to manage a liability issue with their service at the time.  I have no love for them.

 

My wife and I have had a much better experience with AT&T's customer service that we previously had with T-Mobile, but once again I'm faced with an indefensible corporate policy that will cost me money I can't afford or ruin my plans for Christmas.  (I planned to pick up a pair of used smart phones to help my wife and I coordinate our lives better.  It's hard enough for us to keep track of what we carry now without having to carry another device.)

Now it's AT&T reps telling me that "Smart Phones require data plans."  The phone itself does NOT require a data plan, it WILL work without one.  AT&T does require a data plan for certain phones, but don't shift blame to the phone.  This manipulative sounding language just made me more angry.  That this forum has a number of individuals communicating like paid PR people and using absurd analogies has also intensified my annoyance.

 

 

Regarding truth:

In my opinion, the only truth when it comes to companies like the cellular carriers is greed.  If they feel that they can make more money with abusive policies, expect exactly that.  If they feel like they can make more money by treating their customers decently, count yourself lucky but watch your back.

Contracts are the only thing worth a small bit of trust.  You can bet I'll be reading the one from T-Mobile.

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ETF:

I just realized what it was you were talking about...

 

You're talking about Early Termination Fees.  Using the acronym ETF instead of saying "termination fees" or "penalties", or "fees to get our of your contract" makes you REALLY sound like a paid PR person.  I'd guess that most people aren't so familiar with cellular industry jargon.  I briefly worked at WorldCom Wireless, but it's been years and it took me a bit to figure out what you were saying...

I'm at or close to the end of my contract on all four phones on my contract.  For $70/month I can cover termination fees prettty quickly  (perhaps 3 months at worst).  The rep suggested that he might be able to provide credit to cover at least some of it.  (I'll believe that when I see it).

 

 

Phone Unlocks:
One of the four phones on my plan is already unlocked.  The whole point of this is that I'll be buying two used smart phones.  That they're unlocked should be understood, although I could also buy a couple of T-mobile Android phones instead.  Whatever...  Either way, this is only an issue for a single phone.

 

I suppose it's good to be aware that I should expect poor behavior from AT&T in this regard as well.  I'll be sure to make sure that I have a back-up plan for the fourth phone.

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ETF:

I just realized what it was you were talking about...

 

You're talking about Early Termination Fees.  Using the acronym ETF instead of saying "termination fees" or "penalties", or "fees to get our of your contract" makes you REALLY sound like a paid PR person.  I'd guess that most people aren't so familiar with cellular industry jargon.  I briefly worked at WorldCom Wireless, but it's been years and it took me a bit to figure out what you were saying...

 



Oh please...you're joking, right?  I mean, you gave us a "lecture" on "Business 101" and "Law 101" and yet here you are feigning ignorance on the acronym "ETF"?  And this coming from someone who has/had service with one of the major wireless carriers?  Shoot, even I know what ETF stands for, as far as wireless service contracts go...and no, I'm not a paid PR person--I only play one here in this forum. Smiley Wink Smiley Wink

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ETF:

I just realized what it was you were talking about...

 

You're talking about Early Termination Fees.  Using the acronym ETF instead of saying "termination fees" or "penalties", or "fees to get our of your contract" makes you REALLY sound like a paid PR person.  I'd guess that most people aren't so familiar with cellular industry jargon.  I briefly worked at WorldCom Wireless, but it's been years and it took me a bit to figure out what you were saying...

I'm at or close to the end of my contract on all four phones on my contract.  For $70/month I can cover termination fees prettty quickly  (perhaps 3 months at worst).  The rep suggested that he might be able to provide credit to cover at least some of it.  (I'll believe that when I see it).

 

 

Phone Unlocks:
One of the four phones on my plan is already unlocked.  The whole point of this is that I'll be buying two used smart phones.  That they're unlocked should be understood, although I could also buy a couple of T-mobile Android phones instead.  Whatever...  Either way, this is only an issue for a single phone.

 

I suppose it's good to be aware that I should expect poor behavior from AT&T in this regard as well.  I'll be sure to make sure that I have a back-up plan for the fourth phone.


have had a number of lucrative goverment contracts for my company, I truely love TLA's besides the use of TLA's are a lot more socially acceptable then the poor shorthand people insist on using then they text - have a personal rule for anyone that texts me - use the king's english and no shortcuts or you will not get a response. I don;t  do PR, I hire people to do that for my company.

 

Good luck at t-mobile

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wingrider01 wrote:

MagnusDredd wrote:

ETF:

I just realized what it was you were talking about...

 

You're talking about Early Termination Fees.  Using the acronym ETF instead of saying "termination fees" or "penalties", or "fees to get our of your contract" makes you REALLY sound like a paid PR person.  I'd guess that most people aren't so familiar with cellular industry jargon.  I briefly worked at WorldCom Wireless, but it's been years and it took me a bit to figure out what you were saying...

I'm at or close to the end of my contract on all four phones on my contract.  For $70/month I can cover termination fees prettty quickly  (perhaps 3 months at worst).  The rep suggested that he might be able to provide credit to cover at least some of it.  (I'll believe that when I see it).

 

 

Phone Unlocks:
One of the four phones on my plan is already unlocked.  The whole point of this is that I'll be buying two used smart phones.  That they're unlocked should be understood, although I could also buy a couple of T-mobile Android phones instead.  Whatever...  Either way, this is only an issue for a single phone.

 

I suppose it's good to be aware that I should expect poor behavior from AT&T in this regard as well.  I'll be sure to make sure that I have a back-up plan for the fourth phone.


have had a number of lucrative goverment contracts for my company, I truely love TLA's besides the use of TLA's are a lot more socially acceptable then the poor shorthand people insist on using then they text - have a personal rule for anyone that texts me - use the king's english and no shortcuts or you will not get a response. I don;t  do PR, I hire people to do that for my company.

 

 


 

Seriously--people are actually bothered by the use of "poor shorthand", use of shortcuts, and/or the lack of use of the "King's English" in text messages?  I mean, here you are commenting on the "poor shorthand" people use when composing text messages, yet you apparently find it socially acceptable to compose posts that contain various spelling, grammar, and/or punctuation errors?  Aren't you essentially the pot calling the kettle black with your post (above)?  Or are you saying that, as long as you use the "King's English" and don't use shortcuts, spelling/grammar/punctuation errors in text are excusable?

 

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jane697 wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:

MagnusDredd wrote:

ETF:

I just realized what it was you were talking about...

 

You're talking about Early Termination Fees.  Using the acronym ETF instead of saying "termination fees" or "penalties", or "fees to get our of your contract" makes you REALLY sound like a paid PR person.  I'd guess that most people aren't so familiar with cellular industry jargon.  I briefly worked at WorldCom Wireless, but it's been years and it took me a bit to figure out what you were saying...

I'm at or close to the end of my contract on all four phones on my contract.  For $70/month I can cover termination fees prettty quickly  (perhaps 3 months at worst).  The rep suggested that he might be able to provide credit to cover at least some of it.  (I'll believe that when I see it).

 

 

Phone Unlocks:
One of the four phones on my plan is already unlocked.  The whole point of this is that I'll be buying two used smart phones.  That they're unlocked should be understood, although I could also buy a couple of T-mobile Android phones instead.  Whatever...  Either way, this is only an issue for a single phone.

 

I suppose it's good to be aware that I should expect poor behavior from AT&T in this regard as well.  I'll be sure to make sure that I have a back-up plan for the fourth phone.


have had a number of lucrative goverment contracts for my company, I truely love TLA's besides the use of TLA's are a lot more socially acceptable then the poor shorthand people insist on using then they text - have a personal rule for anyone that texts me - use the king's english and no shortcuts or you will not get a response. I don;t  do PR, I hire people to do that for my company.

 

 


 

Seriously--people are actually bothered by the use of "poor shorthand", use of shortcuts, and/or the lack of use of the "King's English" in text messages?  I mean, here you are commenting on the "poor shorthand" people use when composing text messages, yet you apparently find it socially acceptable to compose posts that contain various spelling, grammar, and/or punctuation errors?  Aren't you essentially the pot calling the kettle black with your post (above)?  Or are you saying that, as long as you use the "King's English" and don't use shortcuts, spelling/grammar/punctuation errors in text are excusable?

 


about as logical as people being bothered by TLA's. as far as gramer and spelling, if it was official communications for my company I have a executive secretary to vet my corespondence before it is signed and sent out - I tend to be blunt when responding to items that push my buttons. You may not care about the "short hand", I don;t like it, once again personal preference

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PrePaid is your only choice. You can choose AT&T GoPhone, Straight Talk, Cricket Wireless, and a few others that rent the AT&T network. However, your data service will not work unless you have Go Phone, and you can choose that plan.. So, you should good.
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 She's not being cheap she's being smart with her money. Plus she paid her dues for 2 yrs. and is now no longer under contract.

 

{keep it courteous}

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wingrider01 wrote:
 have a personal rule for anyone that texts me - use the king's english and no shortcuts or you will not get a response.
That's very customer-friendly.

 

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cousintim wrote:

wingrider01 wrote:
 have a personal rule for anyone that texts me - use the king's english and no shortcuts or you will not get a response.
That's very customer-friendly.

 


I nor any of my employees accept text's from customers regarding business, it is email, USPS mail or recorded voice conversations to keep a validated chain of events in case there are contract or performance disagreements. That comment was on personal texts, and I hold to it.

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It amazes me at how many people in this world are quick to play "puppet" to corporate companies who have nothing in their interest but money. They would throw their best employees under a bus if there was money in it for them. All people need to stick together to keep corporate interest separate from people's interest. The way technology is today, it is considered "common" for people to go fully mobile with their computer needs (iPhone). The calling feature on the Smartphones is just that.....a feature. At&t's job is to provide that feature. Any Internet access has always been separate because it doesn't apply to everyone. There are people out there still using flip phones that would like to get a Smartphone without having a data plan because they don't need one. They can play games, run program, hear music, etc etc without any need for accessing Internet. Yet, they can do that with Wifi if need be. I could care less what the long list of reasons might be for justifying AT&T's shady "policy" regarding data plans. When I was in college, we spent a whole semester studying their company and how they have been in heaps of trouble since their company began over 100 years ago. I always say, where there is love for lots of money, there is evil. And evil doesn't care if you live or die. It is utterly foolish and "dumb" for people to condone policies that are nothing more than an arrogant slap in the face to the people. It only takes one person to reach out to another, and then another until there are "enough" people to expose this AT&T problem and cause it to change. The FCC and others have stepped on the company for many decades based on the anger of consumers against AT&T and other companies. This can easily happen again. But you people need to stop being lazy, soft, and coward. This could all be changed in a year and there wouldn't be a need for 1000s of people to look for ways to change the IMEI. Companies like AT&T are the reason why we have hackers in the world..and its a good thing.

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It amazes me at how many people in this world are quick to play "puppet" to corporate companies who have nothing in their interest but money. They would throw their best employees under a bus if there was money in it for them. All people need to stick together to keep corporate interest separate from people's interest. The way technology is today, it is considered "common" for people to go fully mobile with their computer needs (iPhone). The calling feature on the Smartphones is just that.....a feature. At&t's job is to provide that feature. Any Internet access has always been separate because it doesn't apply to everyone. There are people out there still using flip phones that would like to get a Smartphone without having a data plan because they don't need one. They can play games, run program, hear music, etc etc without any need for accessing Internet. Yet, they can do that with Wifi if need be. I could care less what the long list of reasons might be for justifying AT&T's shady "policy" regarding data plans. When I was in college, we spent a whole semester studying their company and how they have been in heaps of trouble since their company began over 100 years ago. I always say, where there is love for lots of money, there is evil. And evil doesn't care if you live or die. It is utterly foolish and "dumb" for people to condone policies that are nothing more than an arrogant slap in the face to the people. It only takes one person to reach out to another, and then another until there are "enough" people to expose this AT&T problem and cause it to change. The FCC and others have stepped on the company for many decades based on the anger of consumers against AT&T and other companies. This can easily happen again. But you people need to stop being lazy, soft, and coward. This could all be changed in a year and there wouldn't be a need for 1000s of people to look for ways to change the IMEI. Companies like AT&T are the reason why we have hackers in the world..and its a good thing.


first paragraphs are your friend, pretty hard to follow a line of though in a wall of text.

 

requiring a data plan for a smartphone is not something that the FCC is concerned with, that is business practices and not on violation of any of the FCC's regulations. as far as the comment on hackers - they are why we have organizations that are dedicated to security enforcement like the NSA and homeland security to track them down and prosecute - and this is a better thing. By the way changing or cloning a imei number is something the federal agencies would be interesting in and tend to follow up on

 

Dont want a data plan, don;t get a smartphone, simple, easy and logical

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"Dont want a data plan, don;t get a smartphone, simple, easy and logical"

Let say 1% of the population has 12 kids, all have Iphones and the parents financial situations changes, Now they can only afford to have text and voice, are they forced to buy new phones just to get basic communication needs?
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