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Unlocking Your Phone Is Now Illegal

What is this contry coming to.  If you own the phone or contract is out, it should be yours to do what you want with it. Read Article

 

http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/26/unlocking-your-phone-is-now-illegal-but-what-does-that-mean-for-you...

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/now-illegal-unlock-cellphone/story?id=18319518

What is this contry coming to.  If you own the phone or contract is out, it should be yours to do what you want with it. Read Article

 

http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/26/unlocking-your-phone-is-now-illegal-but-what-does-that-mean-for-you/

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/now-illegal-unlock-cellphone/story?id=18319518

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When your contract is out and you own the phone AT&T will gladly unlock it for you.

 

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When your contract is out and you own the phone AT&T will gladly unlock it for you.

 

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What about when I go to another country and need to put a local sim card? I don't want to pay att 120 dollars for data that'd crazy. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7 sign this everyone
What about when I go to another country and need to put a local sim card? I don't want to pay att 120 dollars for data that'd crazy. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7 sign this everyone

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Your other option is to pay full price for an unsubsidized, unlocked phone.

Your other option is to pay full price for an unsubsidized, unlocked phone.

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In my case, this ridiculous law is the final factor that has convinced me to only buy Nexus phones from now on. Aside from the fact that carriers incessantly meddle in firmware updates, they now want to tell us how we can and cannot use our phones. Pardon me, but I thought we became owners of the phones when we bought them?

In my case, this ridiculous law is the final factor that has convinced me to only buy Nexus phones from now on. Aside from the fact that carriers incessantly meddle in firmware updates, they now want to tell us how we can and cannot use our phones. Pardon me, but I thought we became owners of the phones when we bought them?

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drumn_bass wrote:

When your contract is out and you own the phone AT&T will gladly unlock it for you.

 

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Am I correct in understanding that we don't own the phone until the contract is out?


drumn_bass wrote:

When your contract is out and you own the phone AT&T will gladly unlock it for you.

 

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Am I correct in understanding that we don't own the phone until the contract is out?

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Edited by redpoint73 on Jan 28, 2013 at 6:23:52 AM

Be aware that the law only applies to devices purchased from your carrier AFTER the 1/26/13 deadline.  Any devices purchased before this date are still perfectly okay to SIM unlock.

 

Obviously a law created by politicians who have no understanding of technology (remember the guy who said the Internet is a "series of tubes"?), and just bending to the wills of the corporate lobbyists.  Why is the Library of Congress setting rules for telecommunications anyway???  Media like DVDs I can somewhat understand.  But a smartphone is not a form of media.  Next, the Library of Congress will tell me I can't change the oil in my car, or get it changed anyplace but the original dealer, since that would also be "reverse engineering", and cars have computers in them, too.

Be aware that the law only applies to devices purchased from your carrier AFTER the 1/26/13 deadline.  Any devices purchased before this date are still perfectly okay to SIM unlock.

 

Obviously a law created by politicians who have no understanding of technology (remember the guy who said the Internet is a "series of tubes"?), and just bending to the wills of the corporate lobbyists.  Why is the Library of Congress setting rules for telecommunications anyway???  Media like DVDs I can somewhat understand.  But a smartphone is not a form of media.  Next, the Library of Congress will tell me I can't change the oil in my car, or get it changed anyplace but the original dealer, since that would also be "reverse engineering", and cars have computers in them, too.

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.

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mendomar012 wrote:
What about when I go to another country and need to put a local sim card?

You can call AT&T and tell them the situation.  They may/may not give you the code, depending on whether your device is within the "exclusivity" period (up to 10 months after the phone's release).  You also need to be a post-paid account holder in good standing for at least 90 days.

 

It doesn't hurt to at least try.  Then if they don't give you the code, you may need to seek alternate means (borrow an unlocked phone, purchase a cheap unlocked phone, use an old backup phone, etc.).

 


mendomar012 wrote:
What about when I go to another country and need to put a local sim card?

You can call AT&T and tell them the situation.  They may/may not give you the code, depending on whether your device is within the "exclusivity" period (up to 10 months after the phone's release).  You also need to be a post-paid account holder in good standing for at least 90 days.

 

It doesn't hurt to at least try.  Then if they don't give you the code, you may need to seek alternate means (borrow an unlocked phone, purchase a cheap unlocked phone, use an old backup phone, etc.).

 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.

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89.99×24
=2159.76 <---- so after paying this much to att for two years they can't just let the phone be unlocked.
89.99×24
=2159.76 <---- so after paying this much to att for two years they can't just let the phone be unlocked.

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redpoint73 wrote:

It doesn't hurt to at least try.  Then if they don't give you the code, you may need to seek alternate means (borrow an unlocked phone, purchase a cheap unlocked phone, use an old backup phone, etc.).

 



There are other "alternative" means, as well. :smileywink:


redpoint73 wrote:

It doesn't hurt to at least try.  Then if they don't give you the code, you may need to seek alternate means (borrow an unlocked phone, purchase a cheap unlocked phone, use an old backup phone, etc.).

 



There are other "alternative" means, as well. :smileywink:

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drumn_bass wrote:

When your contract is out and you own the phone AT&T will gladly unlock it for you.

 

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AT&T still throws too many rules/obstacles up even in this case.  They claim exclusivity on phones and won't unlock them, even if you purchase at the no-commitment price.  They also mark phones as "exclusive" that were released on other carriers.  How the Samsung Galaxy S III was exclusive is beyond me.  Everyone brought out the dictionaries to define "unlimited" when data plans were throttled; maybe I need to bring out the dictionary for the word "exclusive".

 


drumn_bass wrote:

When your contract is out and you own the phone AT&T will gladly unlock it for you.

 

d.


AT&T still throws too many rules/obstacles up even in this case.  They claim exclusivity on phones and won't unlock them, even if you purchase at the no-commitment price.  They also mark phones as "exclusive" that were released on other carriers.  How the Samsung Galaxy S III was exclusive is beyond me.  Everyone brought out the dictionaries to define "unlimited" when data plans were throttled; maybe I need to bring out the dictionary for the word "exclusive".

 

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I am still curious about the implication that we don't own the phone until we complete the contractual term. I'd like to see where this is stated in the contract.
I am still curious about the implication that we don't own the phone until we complete the contractual term. I'd like to see where this is stated in the contract.

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kgbkny wrote:
I am still curious about the implication that we don't own the phone until we complete the contractual term. I'd like to see where this is stated in the contract.

I too am skeptical of that particular comment.  Its not like AT&T is going to reposses your phone, if you break your contract.  Subsidizing new phones is just a way to get you to sign-up, or re-commit (basically a sign-up discount).  Don't think it means they still own the phone.  But if somebody has any definitive evidence otherwise, I'd be interested to see.

 


kgbkny wrote:
I am still curious about the implication that we don't own the phone until we complete the contractual term. I'd like to see where this is stated in the contract.

I too am skeptical of that particular comment.  Its not like AT&T is going to reposses your phone, if you break your contract.  Subsidizing new phones is just a way to get you to sign-up, or re-commit (basically a sign-up discount).  Don't think it means they still own the phone.  But if somebody has any definitive evidence otherwise, I'd be interested to see.

 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.

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21stNow wrote:


How the Samsung Galaxy S III was exclusive is beyond me. 


Yeah, that one completely blew my mind.

 


21stNow wrote:


How the Samsung Galaxy S III was exclusive is beyond me. 


Yeah, that one completely blew my mind.

 

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redpoint73 wrote:

kgbkny wrote:
I am still curious about the implication that we don't own the phone until we complete the contractual term. I'd like to see where this is stated in the contract.

I too am skeptical of that particular comment.  Its not like AT&T is going to reposses your phone, if you break your contract.  Subsidizing new phones is just a way to get you to sign-up, or re-commit (basically a sign-up discount).  Don't think it means they still own the phone.  But if somebody has any definitive evidence otherwise, I'd be interested to see.

 


I am not buying it at all. A writer on one of the Android blogs suggested the same thing - we don't own the phone until we fulfill the contract. If this is the case, I'd love to see where exactly this is stated. Moreover, if a subscriber elects to cancel his/her contract early, he/she pays an ETF. The phone remains the subscriber's property.

For instance, when you finance a car, the loan issuer is clearly listed as the lienholder on the title. After the final payment is made, the lienholder issues a lien release notice to the owner. No such documents are issued for subsidized phones upon fulfilling the contract.


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kgbkny wrote:
I am still curious about the implication that we don't own the phone until we complete the contractual term. I'd like to see where this is stated in the contract.

I too am skeptical of that particular comment.  Its not like AT&T is going to reposses your phone, if you break your contract.  Subsidizing new phones is just a way to get you to sign-up, or re-commit (basically a sign-up discount).  Don't think it means they still own the phone.  But if somebody has any definitive evidence otherwise, I'd be interested to see.

 


I am not buying it at all. A writer on one of the Android blogs suggested the same thing - we don't own the phone until we fulfill the contract. If this is the case, I'd love to see where exactly this is stated. Moreover, if a subscriber elects to cancel his/her contract early, he/she pays an ETF. The phone remains the subscriber's property.

For instance, when you finance a car, the loan issuer is clearly listed as the lienholder on the title. After the final payment is made, the lienholder issues a lien release notice to the owner. No such documents are issued for subsidized phones upon fulfilling the contract.

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redpoint73 wrote:

Be aware that the law only applies to devices purchased from your carrier AFTER the 1/26/13 deadline.  Any devices purchased before this date are still perfectly okay to SIM unlock.

 

Obviously a law created by politicians who have no understanding of technology (remember the guy who said the Internet is a "series of tubes"?), and just bending to the wills of the corporate lobbyists.  Why is the Library of Congress setting rules for telecommunications anyway???  Media like DVDs I can somewhat understand.  But a smartphone is not a form of media.  Next, the Library of Congress will tell me I can't change the oil in my car, or get it changed anyplace but the original dealer, since that would also be "reverse engineering", and cars have computers in them, too.


Actually, I still even question the ability to enforce this law on phones even after the 26th of January...at least for LTE phones.  It is my understanding that the FCC passed regulations that prohibit this on the 700 Mhz spectrum and therefore, in theory, the phone can be unlocked how you choose.

 

I agree about the hardware vs media.  This is nothing more than an attempt by AT&T (and any other major player) to prohibit competition and therefore keep the possibility of losing subscribers at a minimum.  Just goes to show how it is not the people (via those who they elect) that run the country, it is the big corporations


redpoint73 wrote:

Be aware that the law only applies to devices purchased from your carrier AFTER the 1/26/13 deadline.  Any devices purchased before this date are still perfectly okay to SIM unlock.

 

Obviously a law created by politicians who have no understanding of technology (remember the guy who said the Internet is a "series of tubes"?), and just bending to the wills of the corporate lobbyists.  Why is the Library of Congress setting rules for telecommunications anyway???  Media like DVDs I can somewhat understand.  But a smartphone is not a form of media.  Next, the Library of Congress will tell me I can't change the oil in my car, or get it changed anyplace but the original dealer, since that would also be "reverse engineering", and cars have computers in them, too.


Actually, I still even question the ability to enforce this law on phones even after the 26th of January...at least for LTE phones.  It is my understanding that the FCC passed regulations that prohibit this on the 700 Mhz spectrum and therefore, in theory, the phone can be unlocked how you choose.

 

I agree about the hardware vs media.  This is nothing more than an attempt by AT&T (and any other major player) to prohibit competition and therefore keep the possibility of losing subscribers at a minimum.  Just goes to show how it is not the people (via those who they elect) that run the country, it is the big corporations

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redpoint73 wrote:

Be aware that the law only applies to devices purchased from your carrier AFTER the 1/26/13 deadline.  Any devices purchased before this date are still perfectly okay to SIM unlock.

 

Actually, I still even question the ability to enforce this law on phones even after the 26th of January...at least for LTE phones.  It is my understanding that the FCC passed regulations that prohibit this on the 700 Mhz spectrum and therefore, in theory, the phone can be unlocked how you choose.

 

I agree about the hardware vs media.  This is nothing more than an attempt by AT&T (and any other major player) to prohibit competition and therefore keep the possibility of losing subscribers at a minimum.  Just goes to show how it is not the people (via those who they elect) that run the country, it is the big corporations


redpoint73 wrote:

Be aware that the law only applies to devices purchased from your carrier AFTER the 1/26/13 deadline.  Any devices purchased before this date are still perfectly okay to SIM unlock.

 

Actually, I still even question the ability to enforce this law on phones even after the 26th of January...at least for LTE phones.  It is my understanding that the FCC passed regulations that prohibit this on the 700 Mhz spectrum and therefore, in theory, the phone can be unlocked how you choose.

 

I agree about the hardware vs media.  This is nothing more than an attempt by AT&T (and any other major player) to prohibit competition and therefore keep the possibility of losing subscribers at a minimum.  Just goes to show how it is not the people (via those who they elect) that run the country, it is the big corporations

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aybarrap1 wrote:

redpoint73 wrote:

Be aware that the law only applies to devices purchased from your carrier AFTER the 1/26/13 deadline.  Any devices purchased before this date are still perfectly okay to SIM unlock.

 

Obviously a law created by politicians who have no understanding of technology (remember the guy who said the Internet is a "series of tubes"?), and just bending to the wills of the corporate lobbyists.  Why is the Library of Congress setting rules for telecommunications anyway???  Media like DVDs I can somewhat understand.  But a smartphone is not a form of media.  Next, the Library of Congress will tell me I can't change the oil in my car, or get it changed anyplace but the original dealer, since that would also be "reverse engineering", and cars have computers in them, too.


Actually, I still even question the ability to enforce this law on phones even after the 26th of January...at least for LTE phones.  It is my understanding that the FCC passed regulations that prohibit this on the 700 Mhz spectrum and therefore, in theory, the phone can be unlocked how you choose.

 

I agree about the hardware vs media.  This is nothing more than an attempt by AT&T (and any other major player) to prohibit competition and therefore keep the possibility of losing subscribers at a minimum.  Just goes to show how it is not the people (via those who they elect) that run the country, it is the big corporations


As far as I know, the FCC regulations were only on the section of the 700MHz spectrum that Verizon Wireless purchased; AT&T Mobility is not affected by the ruling.

 


aybarrap1 wrote:

redpoint73 wrote:

Be aware that the law only applies to devices purchased from your carrier AFTER the 1/26/13 deadline.  Any devices purchased before this date are still perfectly okay to SIM unlock.

 

Obviously a law created by politicians who have no understanding of technology (remember the guy who said the Internet is a "series of tubes"?), and just bending to the wills of the corporate lobbyists.  Why is the Library of Congress setting rules for telecommunications anyway???  Media like DVDs I can somewhat understand.  But a smartphone is not a form of media.  Next, the Library of Congress will tell me I can't change the oil in my car, or get it changed anyplace but the original dealer, since that would also be "reverse engineering", and cars have computers in them, too.


Actually, I still even question the ability to enforce this law on phones even after the 26th of January...at least for LTE phones.  It is my understanding that the FCC passed regulations that prohibit this on the 700 Mhz spectrum and therefore, in theory, the phone can be unlocked how you choose.

 

I agree about the hardware vs media.  This is nothing more than an attempt by AT&T (and any other major player) to prohibit competition and therefore keep the possibility of losing subscribers at a minimum.  Just goes to show how it is not the people (via those who they elect) that run the country, it is the big corporations


As far as I know, the FCC regulations were only on the section of the 700MHz spectrum that Verizon Wireless purchased; AT&T Mobility is not affected by the ruling.

 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.

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