Watching pre-recorded Uverse content while disconnected from Uverse

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Watching pre-recorded Uverse content while disconnected from Uverse

Hi,

 

I have moved to a new place and would like to watch pre-recorded shows while getting my new service in place.  Is it possible to move the STB/Receiver and Gateway to the new place, run stand alone and still be able to watch the shows recorded in the STB?

 

Thanks,

Roy

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‎09-30-2015 1:39 AM

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mderoy - Unfortunately, no. Paranoid Microsoft designed it so that it requires connection to the mother ship to verify that you have permission to view the prized content. It may cost them millions to allow you a little entertainment while you wait.
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Not going to happen.
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aviewer wrote:
mderoy - Unfortunately, no. Paranoid Microsoft designed it so that it requires connection to the mother ship to verify that you have permission to view the prized content. It may cost them millions to allow you a little entertainment while you wait.

It has nothing to do with Microsoft.  It is how IPTV systems are designed.  If the equipment is unable to communicate back to the VHO, it is not going to work. Same thing with your blu-ray player, Roku, AppleTV, etc. if you try to watch Amazon OnDemand or Netflix.

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"Ren: Now listen, Cadet. I've got a job for you. See this button? Don't touch it! It's the History Eraser button, you fool!

Stimpy: So what'll happen?

Ren: That's just it. We don't know. Maybe something bad, maybe something good. I guess we'll never know, 'cause you're going to guard it. You won't touch it, will you?"
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When I had my U-Verse installed (2008), the installer disconnected my pre-existing Comcast from the main line.  He was shocked that I was still able to watch my DVR'd shows from Comcast, after he cut the "cable."  I could not watch live TV but since the shows were on the Comcast DVR, I could watch them.  He quipped "How in the h... are you watching that?  You shouldn't be able too."  I guess that he didn't understand how Comcast's simple DVR worked.

 

It all boils down to AT&T using "permission servers" to authorize viewing.  If the U-Verse DVR can't connect to the AT&T servers through the Residential Gateway, it means no play /  no way. Smiley Wink

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gregzoll_1 wrote:

It has nothing to do with Microsoft.  It is how IPTV systems are designed.  If the equipment is unable to communicate back to the VHO, it is not going to work. Same thing with your blu-ray player, Roku, AppleTV, etc. if you try to watch Amazon OnDemand or Netflix.


 

That's incorrect, Greg.  It does indeed have to do with the choice made by Microsoft, and it has nothing to do with IPTV systems design.

 

He is not talking about VOD.  He's talking about the recorded programs on the DVR.  Once a program is on the hard drive of the DVR, the delivery system (OTA, Cable, Satellite, or IPTV) is no longer part of the equation.

 

Many DVR systems from other providers explicitly allow playback of DVR recorded content even if there is no incoming signal.  DirecTV, Dish Network, and most cable providers allow this.  Microsoft's MediaRoom IPTV platform (used by AT&T U-Verse) is the exception.  It disallows DVR recorded content playback without a connection to the authorization servers.

 

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Microsoft did not invent IPTV, they only created the platform that ATT, Bell Canada and others use for their customers to watch tv over IP network.

Regardless, if you do not have a connection to the servers, regardless what the device or service is, it is not going to work.
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"Ren: Now listen, Cadet. I've got a job for you. See this button? Don't touch it! It's the History Eraser button, you fool!

Stimpy: So what'll happen?

Ren: That's just it. We don't know. Maybe something bad, maybe something good. I guess we'll never know, 'cause you're going to guard it. You won't touch it, will you?"
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gregzoll_1 wrote:
Microsoft did not invent IPTV, they only created the platform that ATT, Bell Canada and others use for their customers to watch tv over IP network.

Regardless, if you do not have a connection to the servers, regardless what the device or service is, it is not going to work.


No one said Microsoft "invented" IPTV, that is a diversion tactic from the current issue we're discussing.  Do not change the subject.

 

Microsoft's implementation of their IPTV platform requires a connection to the servers in order to play back recorded content on the DVR.  That is an implementation choice by Microsoft, NOT a design issue with IPTV as you previously stated.  The OP is disappointed in this behavior because other TV systems he (and I) have experience with do not have this requirement.

 

The issue here is your generalization of this behavior to IPTV as a whole, which is incorrect.  This is a Microsoft design choice, not an IPTV limitation.

 

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All IPTV services require a connection back to the server, in order to work. It has nothing to do with Microsoft, since they are not the only ones that deaign IPTV platforms.
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"Ren: Now listen, Cadet. I've got a job for you. See this button? Don't touch it! It's the History Eraser button, you fool!

Stimpy: So what'll happen?

Ren: That's just it. We don't know. Maybe something bad, maybe something good. I guess we'll never know, 'cause you're going to guard it. You won't touch it, will you?"
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gregzoll_1 wrote:
All IPTV services require a connection back to the server, in order to work. It has nothing to do with Microsoft, since they are not the only ones that deaign IPTV platforms.

There is nothing inherent in an IPTV solution that would require it to connect back to a server to play already recorded content.  The content is on the device.

 

 

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gregzoll_1 wrote:
All IPTV services require a connection back to the server, in order to work. It has nothing to do with Microsoft, since they are not the only ones that deaign IPTV platforms.

Once a show is recorded to the DVR, there is not a requirement to have a connection to the server.  It's all in the way Microsoft designed the system.

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JefferMC wrote:

gregzoll_1 wrote:
All IPTV services require a connection back to the server, in order to work. It has nothing to do with Microsoft, since they are not the only ones that deaign IPTV platforms.

There is nothing inherent in an IPTV solution that would require it to connect back to a server to play already recorded content.  The content is on the device.

 

 


Show me any device that is not a dvr, that the contect is saved on the device for iptv.

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"Ren: Now listen, Cadet. I've got a job for you. See this button? Don't touch it! It's the History Eraser button, you fool!

Stimpy: So what'll happen?

Ren: That's just it. We don't know. Maybe something bad, maybe something good. I guess we'll never know, 'cause you're going to guard it. You won't touch it, will you?"
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oufanindallas wrote:

gregzoll_1 wrote:
All IPTV services require a connection back to the server, in order to work. It has nothing to do with Microsoft, since they are not the only ones that deaign IPTV platforms.

Once a show is recorded to the DVR, there is not a requirement to have a connection to the server.  It's all in the way Microsoft designed the system.


Again, Microsoft did not create the IPTV platform.  They just created the platform that ATT and other providers use.  It has nothing to do with how they designed the system, to make people lives miserable, it is the nature of the IPTV infrastructure as a whole.

 

Any system that uses IPTV, even if it uses a recording device in the system, has to authenticate back to the servers, to that the equipment is going to communicate with, to state that it is authorized to play back the material saved on the hard drive.  Without that certificate, the equipment is no better than a doorstop, until the system comes back online.

 

Yep, DRM at its finest.

 

This http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns723/networking_solutions_solution.html#~architecture  This is the best info that goes into more detail how the system works http://www.cisco.com/en/US/solutions/collateral/ns341/ns1043/ns1106/ns1110/white_paper_c11-637031.ht...

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"Ren: Now listen, Cadet. I've got a job for you. See this button? Don't touch it! It's the History Eraser button, you fool!

Stimpy: So what'll happen?

Ren: That's just it. We don't know. Maybe something bad, maybe something good. I guess we'll never know, 'cause you're going to guard it. You won't touch it, will you?"
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gregzoll_1 wrote:

Again, Microsoft did not create the IPTV platform.  They just created the platform that ATT and other providers use.  It has nothing to do with how they designed the system, to make people lives miserable, it is the nature of the IPTV infrastructure as a whole.

 

Any system that uses IPTV, even if it uses a recording device in the system, has to authenticate back to the servers, to that the equipment is going to communicate with, to state that it is authorized to play back the material saved on the hard drive.  Without that certificate, the equipment is no better than a doorstop, until the system comes back online.

 

Yep, DRM at its finest.


 

Greg, stop claiming this, because it is completely untrue.  Either you're not reading the descriptions given here by everyone, or you're just being stubborn for who-knows-what reason.

 

We are NOT talking about live content.  Obviously, live content requires a connection to the servers to stream.  We are talking about content that has been recorded on the DVR and is sitting on the hard drive in your living room.  There is no technical reason why there needs to be a connection back to the servers to play back that content.  None whatsoever.  Other DVRs from other manufacturers allow playback of content in this fashion -- DirecTV, Dish Network, Comcast cable DVR boxes, etc.  Only AT&T U-Verse (via the Microsoft Mediaroom platform) has chosen to restrict the DVR's pre-recorded content playback when there is no technical reason to do so.

 

It is not inherent in IPTV that this is a requirement.  It is an implementation choice by Microsoft.

 

Stop claiming otherwise.

 

As far as the Cisco documents, those are completely irrelevant.  Cisco has manufactured components that are Microsoft Mediaroom-compliant.  In other words, they are not Cisco's inventions or design choices -- they built them according to Microsoft's specifications.  And, just because the Cisco units (like any other Microsoft Mediaroom-compliant boxes) have the ability to enforce DRM, does not mean it's required.

 

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I know we are not talking about live content. And as for untrue, what part is not true, when it is the fact that remains, no matter what the device is that is IPTV, it has to connect regardless who manufactured the software for the device, in order to play back the content.

You can keep going the direction you want SomeJoe, but what I have posted and stated, is fact, about the fact that if a IPTV device regardless who made it, or made the software, if it has recorded info on it that is DRM coded, it will not play back. Plain and simple.

 

The other providers you listed are not IPTV providers, and if they wanted to do so also, they could make it, so that their dvr's could not play back content, if not able to communicate with the head end or certificate server.

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"Ren: Now listen, Cadet. I've got a job for you. See this button? Don't touch it! It's the History Eraser button, you fool!

Stimpy: So what'll happen?

Ren: That's just it. We don't know. Maybe something bad, maybe something good. I guess we'll never know, 'cause you're going to guard it. You won't touch it, will you?"
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