U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

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U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

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I am having trouble properly configuring this AT&T 2Wire 3600HGV modem for my network. Maybe someone is aware of a different firmware for this product?

 

I am completely aware of how to setup the DMZ mode & router behind router setup in these boxes but that is NOT the point. (We have supported firewalled networked equipment working that has all the bells & whistles including QoS)

 

In the event of a factory reset of the AT&T 2Wire VDSL modem at this business, I want to properly insure the following business requirements are met:

- DHCP - OFF (at min, it appears you must leave one available?)

- WiFi - OFF (Yes this can be turned off, but bridging it always insured it was turned off in the past. ON is a security concern among just bad business i.e. conflict with other business WiFi, employees might see/use this non-content filtered WiFi, etc etc)

- & passing off internet service needs to be easy to another networked supported OUTSIDE of AT&T firewall. (I'm NOT asking for AT&T support on this, but in the bridge DSL world, this was EASY)

- if bridging this 2Wire is NOT an option, backing up the configuration settings would be a nice alternative but that is not available as well?

 

Bridging the old DSL modems always worked nicely but the 2Wire 3XXXHGV line appears to be the ONLY ones to support the AT&T VDSL Max Turbo speeds. 24Mbps down / 3 Mbps up which we use not only for normal business operations (credit cards, business email, web based training, etc) but this high speed is required to view onsite security video (3Mbps up) and offer customers FAST free WiFi!

 

AT&T U-Verse offers the right price, contract, speed, internet package & installers to properly handle our resturant locations company's data needs but I'm struggling with the their "business" support of this 2Wire VDSL modem product. We ONLY use the internet, no TV (not legally available for restaurants, yet). No Voip because POTS is our reliable backup. So it's just the internet service ...

 

For coverage on AT&T Uverse, we have over 50 locations lit up like a Christmas tree but sadly business support on this product is driving me nutz! Maybe because I now see this is listed under "Residential Gateway"? Is this AT&T 2Wire VDSL modem product not meant for business? Is anyone aware of another supported AT&T VDSL modem or a different 2Wire firmware available? Official AT&T support has me running in circles (AT&T U-verse support > AT&T Connecttech > AT&T Connecttech360 > AT&T U-verse support, rinse, repeat)  

 

help?

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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

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jamesvdale,

 

Yes, you simultaneously need the Linksys to act just as a wireless access point upstairs, while also operating as a router for the entire network.

 

This will not be possible using only one Linksys.

 

You will need to get a 2nd one (or perhaps buy just a wireless access point, which might be less expensive).

 

Set up one as a wireless access point upstairs, using the method in post #13.

 

Set up the 2nd one next to the RG using the method in post #2, and configure parental controls on that one.  Turn the wireless on the RG off, and use the wireless on this 2nd Linksys to cover the downstairs.

 

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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

I have set up a Asus RT N56u router behid my 3801 succsessfuly using the guide at the beginning of the post and changed the sub net to xxx.xxx.2 and can reach the 2 wire GUI page. I would like to forward ports on two of my network PC.

I added a TCP port forward rule on the Asus router specifying each PC's IP address and the PORT i wanted open. This did not work.

 

I think I need to create a port forward on the 2wire router. I have tried adding a Port forward rule sellecting the IP address the 3801 has assigned the Asus router and worwarding the same port called out it the rules on the Asus router. Still no luck. Was hopping someone here could give me a hand.

Thanks

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Expert

Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

If you have set up your Asus in the DMZ in accordance with post #2, then there are no further settings you need to worry about on the 2Wire. All port forwarding will be handled by your Asus.

Check your firewall configuration on the Asus again, make sure the ports and IP addresses are correct. Remember that to test your configuration, you probably will need to use a computer that is not on your home network.
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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

I have used the uTorent built in Port Forward test and a second port forward test app to check and both come back as a negative. I used the Port forward.com guide for my Asus router to set up the two PF rules on the Asus router. I'm basically using the ports that uTorent is configured for on both PC and adding a tcp rule that specifies the IP address of each PC. The PC addresses are selectable from a list so I could not have messed them up. 

 

 

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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

Make sure you have followed all steps of the post 2 procedure, especially steps 9-14.  If steps 9-14 aren't followed, some traffic may get blocked.

 

 

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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?


veger69 wrote:

I have used the uTorent built in Port Forward test and a second port forward test app to check and both come back as a negative. I used the Port forward.com guide for my Asus router to set up the two PF rules on the Asus router. I'm basically using the ports that uTorent is configured for on both PC and adding a tcp rule that specifies the IP address of each PC. The PC addresses are selectable from a list so I could not have messed them up. 

 

 



Are you using the same ports numbers for both PCs? Most routers will not forward the same port to more than one pc at a time. You will have to set your torrent client on one of the PCs to use a different port.

 

 




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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

I have my belkin router setup behind the ATT router and all is working but when streaming video from the internet, my slingbox or playing xbox live the signal stutters every so often and even times out sometimes losing connection. On xbox live i get dropped from games and can never finish a game on Madden. Hooked up to the ATT router this does not happen any ideas what going on?
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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

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Somejoe7777 and others, thank you for all the invaluable posts in this thread.  Had this been around when UVerse first came to our

neighborhood, we might have made the switch much sooner.

 

I may have missed it, but I don't really see anything regarding whether post #2 as written, applies to "5-static-IP" service.

Is this the wrong thread for that?  Or?...

We are preparing to move off an existing AT&T 5-static-IP DSL service, onto UVerse Business Class, and from what I gather, the end 

result should be fairly similar to what we're running now.  Or will it?

 

Our current service uses a Netopia Cayman 3220H in bridge mode, to manage the PPPoE connection to AT&T.  We have a /29 netblock,

and the Cayman is using the "110' station address (xxx.xxx.xxx.62) as gateway.  The connection goes from the Cayman LAN port into an

OpenBSD firewall/webserver system, where it is bridged to our DMZ. A third NIC connects the internal NAT network.  All public servers in

the DMZ are configured with external IP addresses, and use the "110" station address in the Cayman as gateway, not the OBSD box.  

 

Reading post #2, given "5-static-IP" service, will I still need to initially set the WAN NIC in the OBSD box to DHCP? 

 

In step 8, which of the 5 static IP address will the OBSD box be given?  (From what I understand, it will still not be our gateway.)

Or at that point, can I just reconfigure it to use any of the station addresses in our new netblock? 

 

Will the 2Wire 3600HGV form any sort of bond with the MAC address of the WAN port NIC in the OBSD system, or any of the other public

servers?

 

With the UVerse service, will my public servers still use the "110" station address as gateway?  Or?

 

Many thanks again.  Here's hoping this transition goes smoother than the last one...

 

Cheers,
Jeff

 

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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?


jac00k wrote:

Somejoe7777 and others, thank you for all the invaluable posts in this thread.  Had this been around when UVerse first came to our

neighborhood, we might have made the switch much sooner.

 

I may have missed it, but I don't really see anything regarding whether post #2 as written, applies to "5-static-IP" service.

Is this the wrong thread for that?  Or?...

We are preparing to move off an existing AT&T 5-static-IP DSL service, onto UVerse Business Class, and from what I gather, the end 

result should be fairly similar to what we're running now.  Or will it?

 

Our current service uses a Netopia Cayman 3220H in bridge mode, to manage the PPPoE connection to AT&T.  We have a /29 netblock,

and the Cayman is using the "110' station address (xxx.xxx.xxx.62) as gateway.  The connection goes from the Cayman LAN port into an

OpenBSD firewall/webserver system, where it is bridged to our DMZ. A third NIC connects the internal NAT network.  All public servers in

the DMZ are configured with external IP addresses, and use the "110" station address in the Cayman as gateway, not the OBSD box.  

 

Reading post #2, given "5-static-IP" service, will I still need to initially set the WAN NIC in the OBSD box to DHCP? 

 

In step 8, which of the 5 static IP address will the OBSD box be given?  (From what I understand, it will still not be our gateway.)

Or at that point, can I just reconfigure it to use any of the station addresses in our new netblock? 

 

Will the 2Wire 3600HGV form any sort of bond with the MAC address of the WAN port NIC in the OBSD system, or any of the other public

servers?

 

With the UVerse service, will my public servers still use the "110" station address as gateway?  Or?

 

Many thanks again.  Here's hoping this transition goes smoother than the last one...

 

Cheers,
Jeff

 

[edited for privacy – please do not post personal information]

 

 



A lot will depend on what flavor Uverse Internet (VDSL or ADSL2+) you end up with, because that will determine which Modem/Gateway you receive and the steps neccessary for configuration. More than likely you should be able to ditch the Netopia, if all it's handling is the PPoE login.

 

 




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ACE - Expert

Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

I'm having a hard time visualizing your configuration.  Do note that the RG's used for VDSL2 service do not allow more than one static IP to be handled by the same MAC address, so if you intend to have any router or firewall servicing traffic for more than one of your static IP's, you may have an issue with that flavor of Uverse.

 

 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.
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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

I have the 3801 and have the wireless boxes so one port has the wireless box sending unit plugged in.  I also have a WD MyBookLive network drive attached to it as well as the DVR.  I have several wireless devices running on the 3801 but the 3801 seems slower than my Netgear 750.  I want to link the two, basically want to plug the wireless box sending unit and my DVR into the 3801, and attach the WD MyBookLive to the Netgear router as well as my TV, AVR, Playstation and XBOX.  I would have all my wireless devices connect to the Netgear since it's faster and better range.  How can I do this and still be able to use my iphone as a remote for the uverse boxes in the house? 

 

Would I follow post 13 to accomplish this or do I need to do something else?

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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

if you get this working let me know if you have can stay online through the netgear.  i set a router up behind the 2Wire and my internet times out sometimes...i especially lose connection when playing online games.  This does not happen when connected directly to the 2Wire.

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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?


JefferMC wrote:

I'm having a hard time visualizing your configuration.  Do note that the RG's used for VDSL2 service do not allow more than one static IP to be handled by the same MAC address, so if you intend to have any router or firewall servicing traffic for more than one of your static IP's, you may have an issue with that flavor of Uverse.

 

 


 

The DMZ segment is configured in the OpenBSD system as a transparent firewalled bridge.  All DMZ traffic on the segment between the Cayman and the Inet NIC in the OpenBSD system, appears to the Cayman as if the connections were directly between DMZ hosts and the Cayman itself.  The arp and bridge tables in the Cayman show the MAC addresses of the physical NICs in each DMZ host.

 

I see no reason why the U-verse 2Wire gateway would see things any differently.

 

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ACE - Expert

Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

Bridge: Okay.

Router: Not okay.

 

The issue is that every IP has to have a unique MAC address.  A bridge will accomplish that.

 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.
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Re: U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem?

First, I'd like to say thanks to Joe and others for all the help Ive seen in this post.

 

Ive read through most of this stream and cant quite figure out what route I should take. I want to run the following through a linksys E3200 as a second router connected to RG:

 

-NAS for backups and streaming files to TV

-wireless traffic for computers

-internet traffic on TV

 

Ive tried several different configurations for the two routers but nothing completely works.

Should I setup them up following post 2 or 13?

 

Thanks preemptively for the help.

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