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Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

ACE - Professor

Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

I posted this over at Dslreports.com but figured I would post it here too.

 

I was looking at the Motorola website and found this...

»www.motorola.com/us/consumers/NV···,pd.html
Then....
»www.homepna.org/products/member_products/
Lists this product as
"Motorola NVG589 Bonded VDSL 11N Gateway"

 

Seems to be an IPTV/Internet/VOIP modem.

 

http://certifications.wi-fi.org/pdf_certificate.php?cid=WFA16256



Would be pointless to make a battery/modem specifically for a service that wouldn't use it, wouldn't it ?

 

I wonder what the ADSL2+ gateway would be then? The 5111NV? I guess if they somehow don't use this then it'll be the Pace 5168NV for both ADSL2+/VDSL2.

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ACE - Expert

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

All the profiles require some "headroom" (20%) in the raw signal.  Which means for 55 Mbps profile you'd need a raw connection rate of 66 Mbps.  From my observations, this is not possible on a single pair (misses by a couple megabits per second).

 

Thus, yes, I can see the requirement for bonded pair for a 55 Mbps profile.  Hopefully there's a somewhat smaller profile for single pair, say around 45 to 50 Mbps.

 

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Message 31 of 117
ACE - Expert

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?


trparky wrote:

So what?  The hardware itself doesn't change.  All we really care about is the guts of the device.


Really?!  What I want from an owners manual includes the actual available features and configuration options.  What you can actually do with a 2WIRE 3800 with the current AT&T firmware bears no resemblance to the FCC documents. Pictures of the front and back panels seem to be the extent of these aged documents' usefulness now.

 

They don't want to be bothered keeping these things up to date, or the implied contractural commitment of what they do (in case that changes), so they don't post them.

 

 

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Employee

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

For Jeffery, there is or will be a upgrade on single pair to 45M with internet speeds of 30/3 to those who qualify (54M+).....
My understanding is this will be automatic with no change in pricing but your internet profile will move up free 24 to 30, 18 to 24 , etc.
Please see http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Details-on-Rumored-New-ATT-UVerse-Speeds-123593
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Message 33 of 117
Guru

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

So existing 24 Mbps Tier customers will get an upgrade to 30 Mbps.  That's cool.  Although I'd like more like 45 Mbps but that depends upon price.

That would put AT&T on par with Time Warner in my area.

IMHO, all of this talk about Internet speeds of 100 Mbps or more and with Verizon talking about 500 Mbps and Comcast talking about 300 Mbps is a bunch of nonsense.  For the vast majority of people (95%), that's seriously overkill.  There's really no need for anything above 100 Mbps.  Most commercial software download sites can't fill that even a 24 Mbps pipe without multi-threaded downloading in which you make multiple connections to the same download site.

For instance, I was downloading PowerDVD from the Cyberlink product web site and I was barely downloading at 600 KB/s but when I kicked in the multi-threaded downloading I shot up to 2.4 MB/s.  What does this mean?  It means that most server admins are artificially limiting you to a specific amount of speed per connection.  Yes, you can initilize a second or more connection to get more download speed in the form of multi-threaded downloading but soon server admins are going to catch onto that and start limiting the amount of connections from a single IP and some of them have already done that.

The last mile is finally catching up with what people actually need.  Internal Internet bandwidth is something else.  There are multiple choke points across the US in which there's just not enough Internet backbone bandwidth to handle the high demands we are putting on it.

Granted, I know that Steam can fill that pipe up easily with how many servers they around the nation but how much Steam stuff can you download?

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ACE - Expert

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?


my thoughts wrote:
For Jeffery, there is or will be a upgrade on single pair to 45M with internet speeds of 30/3 to those who qualify (54M+).....
My understanding is this will be automatic with no change in pricing but your internet profile will move up free 24 to 30, 18 to 24 , etc.
Please see http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Details-on-Rumored-New-ATT-UVerse-Speeds-123593

I'm at 60 Mbps raw, so yeah, I should be good for 45 Mbps.  One interesting thing here is that they're now "reserving" more for IPTV.  It was 8 Mbps (32-24), now it looks like 15 Mbps (45-30).  I wonder why they'd need more bandwidth.... Smiley Wink

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Message 35 of 117
Guru

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

I was thinking that too.  I wonder what's up with these changes.

 

Come on AT&T.  I want to see these changes in Ohio.

Message 36 of 117
Guru

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

JefferMC, how far away from the VRAD are you?  I'm an estimated 500 feet according to UV Realtime and I only have a raw line rate of 57,755 Kbps.  And I have some decent lines.

 

I wonder if you may be on one of the newer K-cards as versus myself in which I'm on one of the older F-cards.

Message 37 of 117
Employee

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

Just my thoughts.......upgrade to six TV stream
enlarge difference so more HD TV streams available before affecting HSIA speeds as still shared bandwidth.
Possible change to compression ratio, less compression to allow for better picture quality.
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Message 38 of 117
ACE - Expert

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?


trparky wrote:

JefferMC, how far away from the VRAD are you?  I'm an estimated 500 feet according to UV Realtime and I only have a raw line rate of 57,755 Kbps.  And I have some decent lines.

 

I wonder if you may be on one of the newer K-cards as versus myself in which I'm on one of the older F-cards.


Under 500 feet.  I'm not sure what card I'm on.  My VRAD was built in 2009, and I'm not sure what they may have done to it since.

 


my thoughts wrote:

 

Just my thoughts.......upgrade to six TV stream
enlarge difference so more HD TV streams available before affecting HSIA speeds as still shared bandwidth.
Possible change to compression ratio, less compression to allow for better picture quality.


My thoughts as well,  Which is what drew the wink.

 

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Message 39 of 117
ACE - Professor

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

They have been upgrading our VRAD or something heavily over the past month. I went from 55,500 to 59,550 within just a month. Hopefully that means upgrades are coming here soon. I have also seen a lot of AT&T trucks in the area lately.

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Message 40 of 117
ACE - Expert

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

They just powered up a new VRAD in about 4000 feet from the one that serves me, and about 3000 feet closer than the next one before it, i.e. about half way between the existing ones.  They are in the process of installing a new one about 3000 feet further up towards the CO, in the middle of town.  Both of these are along the fiber run already coming from the nearest CO so no new fiber, just new VRADs.  It's like they're about to launch a new push for greater penetration.

 

I haven't seen them doing anything to my VRAD, however.

 

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Message 41 of 117
Voyager

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

Has anyone successfully bridged their NVG589?  I thought I had mine configured correctly with IP Passthrough, and my port forwarding via my own router (Netgear WNR3400) was working correctly, but it stopped working today.  I set it to IP Passthrough with the mode set at DHCPS-Fixed and entered the MAC of my Netgear router.  Everything was working fine yesterday, but it stopped today, so I am guessing I missed something.  Anyone have any ideas?  Thanks!

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ACE - Expert

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?


hegihome wrote:

Has anyone successfully bridged their NVG589?  I thought I had mine configured correctly with IP Passthrough, and my port forwarding via my own router (Netgear WNR3400) was working correctly, but it stopped working today.  I set it to IP Passthrough with the mode set at DHCPS-Fixed and entered the MAC of my Netgear router.  Everything was working fine yesterday, but it stopped today, so I am guessing I missed something.  Anyone have any ideas?  Thanks!


Can you do anything that makes it work again?  Reset the router?  Reset the RG?

Can a PC connected to the RG work?

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Message 43 of 117
Voyager

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

I am at work, but I had my wife reset the RG and then my router, but no luck.  If she plugs her computer directly into the NVG589 then her internet access is fine. 

Message 44 of 117
Guru

Re: Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway?

I was talking with a Tier-2 agent on the phone regarding these new gateways.  I was on the phone because of an unrelated issue but I asked if she could confirm a rumor for me.

I asked her when the new higher speed Internet tiers were going to be released.  Her response was that they are indeed testing the new tiers out west and that it required a new gateway.  She said that she had a meeting regarding the new gateways and the new Internet speed tiers that very morning.  I mentioned that I knew about the NVG589, that pair-bonding would be needed to deploy the faster speeds, and that there were a lot of forum posts talking about that new gateway and her response was that she was surprised that I knew as much as I knew about it.

So I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we're close to a release of these new higher speed Internet tiers.  Considering that the tier-2 agent I talked to said that she had a meeting that very morning about the new tiers lends some credibility to the rumors that the new tiers will be coming very soon.

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