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Wed, Apr 17, 2019 7:27 AM

When is 3G being shutdown?

I have a 3G ZTE Z222 of which I'm fond.   My friends with Sprint have been notified of an imminent Sprint 3G shutdown. I searched that topic on this forum and found that my phone will be good till 12/2012 or "such time as there is a national shutdown."  I need something more specific as flip-phones are getting scarcer by the week, and the only 3G flip-phone offered by AT&T right now is, bluntly, junk.   How imminent is a national shutdown?

ACE - Sage

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@warfase1 wrote:
we wouldn't expect them to come over here and drive their horse and buggy
on an interstate would we?

  But when their horse and buggy has always worked in the past, and suddenly does not work, it is both an inconvenience and a shock.   And I would not put it past AT&T to sell these users a prepaid phone, which is then locked for six months.   Not cool

 

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@lizdance40 wrote:

But when their horse and buggy has always worked in the past, and suddenly does not work, it is both an inconvenience and a shock.   And I would not put it past AT&T to sell these users a prepaid phone, which is then locked for six months.   Not cool

And unless we go to the US several times a year for business, buying a sub-$100 prepaid Android phone just for the short US trip doesn't make economic sense for many of us foreign travelers.  Most of these cheap phones are completely incompatible with 3G and LTE frequencies outside North America, rendering them completely useless for us upon returning to our home countries even when we have them unlocked (except perhaps for calls and text on any existing 2G networks in those countries).

 

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@Delcat13Tay  FIRST CHOICE ➡️ Best Buy has about a dozen unlocked phones that are compatible with AT&T, and a few work on Verizon, and are also world phones.  
     AT&T does sell some dirt cheap, and occasionally free with activation, prepaid phones.  In general, I discourage buying phones from AT&T because of the 6 month lock policy.  (Truth be told, I discourage buying from AT&T no matter what)
    If a traveler does come to the USA with an incompatible phone and feels buying a phone they can use back home, Verizon has a much better policy if you buy from them, and most of their prepaid phones aren’t as limited, hardware wise (CHECK SPECS).  60 days after activation a Verizon prepaid phone is unlocked, even if you aren’t paying for a second month if service.  

kevink

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"Verizon has a much better policy if you buy from them, and most of their prepaid phones aren’t as limited, hardware wise (CHECK SPECS).  60 days after activation a Verizon prepaid phone is unlocked, even if you aren’t paying for a second month if service."

 

If you buy a Verizon prepaid phone, check its requirements for unlocking.  Depending on the phone (especially if it is sold at a discount), it may take a few months worth of payments before it can be unlocked.  Not 6 months, but something a visitor for 2 weeks may not find out about until later.  

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@kevink wrote:

"Verizon has a much better policy if you buy from them, and most of their prepaid phones aren’t as limited, hardware wise (CHECK SPECS).  60 days after activation a Verizon prepaid phone is unlocked, even if you aren’t paying for a second month if service."

 

If you buy a Verizon prepaid phone, check its requirements for unlocking.  Depending on the phone (especially if it is sold at a discount), it may take a few months worth of payments before it can be unlocked.  Not 6 months, but something a visitor for 2 weeks may not find out about until later.  


Verizon automatically unlocks postpaid phones 60 days after purchase.

Verizon prepaid phones are automatically unlocked 60 days after activation.  
   
So unlike an AT&T phone,  if you purchase a Verizon prepaid phone. It isn’t going to be locked forever just because you didn’t use it on pre-paid for six months of paid service.  Verizon does not deep discount it’s prepaid phones like AT&T does.

kevink

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As I specified, you would need to check the phone to verify unlock policies.

 

For instance, If you purchase a 4G Phone-in-a-Box from one of our authorized retailers, you should review the back of the box to determine the lock period applicable to that device.  Which was the applicable thing for the prepaid phone I bought a couple years ago for a discounted price.

 

It is only certain phones that are automatically unlocked 60 days after activation.  

 

https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/device-unlocking-policy/

 

 

 

pgrey

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@kevink What's MORE IMPORTANT, at this point, is "knowing how to know" which non-branded AT&T devices will actually work, via VoLTE, given that "3G activations" end, at midnight, on 12/31/19...

 

This means that "if your phone isn't signed up", and won't connect/provision via VoLTE, that you'll have to "find a phone that will", put the SIM in it, and then "bring the SIM back to the other, non-provisioning phone", in order to get service, on that device.

Sound complicated?  Yep, it is, unfortunately...

 

@Delcat13Tay Yep, this is exactly the scenario I've been talking about, for a long time now (one of the resulting ones from the 3G slow-shutdown, anyway), I don't see how they're going to "manage this", unless they decide to just "open things up", like TMo (and now Verizon, mostly) has done.

 

@lizdance40 From what I can tell, the "ATT fix", is to sell you one of those "cheap branded-phones, that WILL provision".  It's a "very weird place right now", in ATT-land...

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Around here we call that the cost of doing business. Progress and
technology doesn't go on hold just because some people for whatever reason
refuse to give up the horse and buggy that they road in on.
pgrey

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@warfase1 So you're saying that (for example) the Pixel 3a, is "just the cost of doing business", because ATT has chosen NOT to enable/provision it, after shutdown?  
Not saying they won't, just that right now it sure doesn't look like it.

I would hardly call this a "horse and buggy phone", by ANY measure (in fact it's really much more of a phone than most mid-range S-phones, which is potentially the real issue here).

I think I might be confused, by what *exactly* you're referring to here, in terms of the "cost item"?

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As a matter of fact it is, Sometimes your on the winning side and well
sometimes your not. Are there things that could be better and even at times
we may seem to be working against our selves but in the long run yes, it's
just the cost of doing business. Granted not all change is progress but
there can not be progress without change.

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@warfase1   This is a touchy subject.  And was enough to push me out the door to Verizon, who has a list of certified phones.  A list which includes phones AT&T has excluded.  
    Let’s be clear, AT&T chooses to exclude phones.  There is no technical, engineering or functional reason NOT to let phones work with VoLTE.  I took 2 phones, a 4 year old Moto pure, and 1 year old 1+ 6t from AT&T, where they were excluded, to Verizon where they work beautifully.  They are both using built on VVM too, which I was unable to use on AT&T.  

@pgrey   Me throwing gas on the fire with my last post.    https://forums.att.com/t5/Phones-Tablets-Devices/New-Phone-recommendations/m-p/6043131#M3666

 

T-Mobile is the poster carrier.  They just let phones work.  If they don’t, it’s not because the carrier is preventing it.   There’s a saying, “lead, follow or get out of the way” AT&T isn’t doing any of those.

(ooo, I cut out sugar and am up too late 😆.)

 

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There may not be any reasons on the surface but there are costs in
maintaining old servers and equipment plus new upgrades that may or may not
support the approaching dinosaur status technologies. That and the cost to
make things backward compatible just to name a few. I'm sure the
professionals at at&t have studied the scenarios and are moving in the
direction that they feel is best for them and the customer base that they
are looking for.
GLIMMERMAN76

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@warfase1 wrote:
There may not be any reasons on the surface but there are costs in
maintaining old servers and equipment plus new upgrades that may or may not
support the approaching dinosaur status technologies. That and the cost to
make things backward compatible just to name a few. I'm sure the
professionals at at&t have studied the scenarios and are moving in the
direction that they feel is best for them and the customer base that they
are looking for.

Its nothing more than ATT wants the spectrum back to re purpose it for LTE and 5G.  It costs nothing to make a phone backwards compatible because its on the SOC of the phone.   

pgrey

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@warfase1 wrote:
There may not be any reasons on the surface but there are costs in
maintaining old servers and equipment plus new upgrades that may or may not
support the approaching dinosaur status technologies. That and the cost to
make things backward compatible just to name a few. I'm sure the
professionals at at&t have studied the scenarios and are moving in the
direction that they feel is best for them and the customer base that they
are looking for.

@warfase1 Yep, what @GLIMMERMAN76 said.

DB-maintenance for "full 4G/LTE compatible devices" is simply a zero-sum-item, for AT&T, at this point, it costs them NOTHING, to maintain this status, right?

IF you think this is incorrect, please provide technical details that demonstrate/reveal this, thanks.

 

For example, WHAT about a Pixel 3a, this is essentially a BRAND-NEW device (released on 5/8/19), how does this fall into the "dinosaur" category, exactly?  AT&T is "treating it this way", for "business reasons", pure-and-simple.

It's about 6 months-old, at this point, and is a VERY cutting-edge device, in terms of the (current) mid-range devices (the camera alone is FAR superior to ANY mid-range Samsung device, for example).

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@lizdance40 wrote:
@Delcat13Tay  FIRST CHOICE 
 
 Best Buy has about a dozen unlocked phones that are compatible with AT&T, and a few work on Verizon, and are also world phones.  
     AT&T does sell some dirt cheap, and occasionally free with activation, prepaid phones.  In general, I discourage buying phones from AT&T because of the 6 month lock policy.  (Truth be told, I discourage buying from AT&T no matter what)
    If a traveler does come to the USA with an incompatible phone and feels buying a phone they can use back home, Verizon has a much better policy if you buy from them, and most of their prepaid phones aren’t as limited, hardware wise (CHECK SPECS).  60 days after activation a Verizon prepaid phone is unlocked, even if you aren’t paying for a second month if service.  


Still a bit of a hassle for many of us, though.  For travelers from countries where dual-SIM is a common (or in some cases, standard) feature in phones sold there (especially in Asia), it is more practical for them to buy a local SIM card upon arriving at their destination and insert it in the second SIM slot, while keeping their home network SIM roaming and inside the first SIM slot.

 

That being said, as new dual-SIM phones across all price ranges now feature dual-VoLTE and are capable of receiving LTE signals on both SIMs simultaneously (as opposed to older phones where only one SIM at a time can receive LTE signals, while the other SIM remains at 2G/3G), it is high time that AT&T open up its LTE network to ALL phones that support any of its LTE bands.  As I mentioned earlier, most budget and midrange phones sold outside the US (especially Chinese brands like Xiaomi [including Redmi], Huawei [including Honor], BBK Electronics' brands [Oppo, Vivo and Realme, which are all Oneplus' sister brands] and Meizu, among others) support the 850 MHz band on 3G, and LTE band 5, while flagship and "flagship killer" models support even more (but usually not all) US LTE bands.  Refarming the remaining 850 Mhz spectrum on 3G to LTE band 5 (and opening up AT&T's LTE network to all phones) will significantly help in making sure that international travelers can use their phones in the US, whether by roaming on AT&T's network, using an AT&T prepaid SIM, or both.

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