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Wed, Apr 17, 2019 7:27 AM

When is 3G being shutdown?

I have a 3G ZTE Z222 of which I'm fond.   My friends with Sprint have been notified of an imminent Sprint 3G shutdown. I searched that topic on this forum and found that my phone will be good till 12/2012 or "such time as there is a national shutdown."  I need something more specific as flip-phones are getting scarcer by the week, and the only 3G flip-phone offered by AT&T right now is, bluntly, junk.   How imminent is a national shutdown?

ACE - Sage

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98.7K Messages

3年前

Just to be clear:  we’re headed for a cell-pocalypse.    Any phone that isn’t VoLTE compatible will not be allowed to activate at end of year, and will cease to work when 3g shuts down.   If At&t can’t install software, or won’t just “allow it” as t-mobile does (and I don’t know how t-mo operates) there will be a lot of phones that won’t work anymore. All older iPhones and android, windows phones and non branded androids.  Travelers to the USA will have no service unless they rent or buy a phone here.   

I dumped all my non carrier phones except the 6t, which does work.  But my sisters family bought 1+ phones that don’t get VoLTE and may have to replace phones sooner than they planned. 

 

kevink

ACE - Scholar

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541 Messages

3年前

You still have 2 years at least of service with a 3G only flip phone.  Assuming the phone remains working and 3G doesn't degrade in your area.  The carriers tend to make repairs low priority for the older technology that is going away soon, leaving holes.

 

Unless you have a problem with your current cell phone, it is likely cheaper to just keep it rather than buy a new "flip" phone now that will just start to get older once you buy it.

 

I got rid of my landline last year and added a cheap Nokia 3G phone on the ATT network for my "home" number.  For when I needed to give out a number and didn't want to give out my regular cell number that I carry with me.

kevink

ACE - Scholar

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541 Messages

3年前

It was mentioned all the 4G flip phones available on eBay.  Unless they are ATT branded, they still use 3G for voice and not VoLTE.  Which is what will be needed when 3G is phased out.

kevink

ACE - Scholar

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541 Messages

3年前

At least iPhones support VoLTE.  At least back to the 6.  And when the 6 goes out of support later this year, all supported iPhones will work VoLTE on ATT.  At least the models sold in the US.

pgrey

ACE - Master

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3.5K Messages

3年前

Yep, iOS devices get a "special" exception, they have a lot of marketing power.

Almost all mid-range and up (even quite a few low-end phones recently) have almost all supported VoLTE, for 5-ish years now...

Hopefully ATT will start to work towards enabling this, given the timing...

 

@kevink Good point though, about the eBay phones. A lot of these could and might work on ATT, as long as they have good band/frequency matching, but as to whether they will be enabled is a big unknown, unfortunately. 

 

Teacher

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23 Messages

3年前

Liked the drama here 🤣

QuarryRye

Master

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3年前

@singleabman1963 wrote:

Liked the drama here 🤣

​I know, right?

 

I never thought I'd still see people complaining about smartphones in 2019. I've been working for major cell carriers for almost ten years, and I remember when smartphones were first introduced and having calls from customers yelling how they don't need data and would never use a smartphone.


I also would respectfully disagree with the OP who insists older people don't use smartphones. I have eighty-year-olds calling in about their iPhones which they use to FaceTime with their grandchildren, dictate emails with voice-to-text, keep track of their medication, and order Uber rides with.

 

I'm not saying everyone should have a smartphone. I've talked to people who can't even figure out how to turn their phone on or dial their voicemail. If that's you, put down the cell phone and walk away. But there's no age limit to smartphones, only stubbornness and fear of technology.

pgrey

ACE - Master

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3年前

@QuarryRye Yep, 110%.  Most of my relatives, including my Mom, in her 80's, were stubborn about this.  Until they realized the "access" it gave them, getting/sending text-pics, showing their friends "shared pics", etc.

Once I showed her how the "speech to text" works, she "took off" on that, too, she uses it for the vast majority of texting and other data-entry, at this point, go figure.  There was some resistance, but once you show someone how easy it is to pull up the local weather, and get the hourly forecast, too, or some-such, things tend to "take off" from there, I think it's basic "human interest" at that point.

I think most people that are stubborn about this think that a "smartphone" means that you have to be a 'tech-ie", in order to use them, which couldn't be farther from the truth, except when things go wrong, on occasion ;-]

 

I just realized that an ELO concert we're going to requires a smartphone, in order to use the e-tickets (still not sure how I feel about the "implementation" side of it), which is interesting.  Without some sort of "smart device", the world is going to get pretty small, and leave some behind, in some (unfortunate, but unavoidable at this point) ways...

Teacher

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12 Messages

3年前

Everyone should keep a landline at home. Take it from me, the first thing to go down when any kind of incident hits is and will always be cell phones. Each site has a certain amount of capacity. History shows that when something is happening, people will overload the site(s) near that event, shutting down service. All sites also rely on a backbone to process traffic. If that goes down for whatever reason (anything from storms to what we call "backhoe fade", iow, the backbone cable/fiber gets dug up), any site using it goes down as well.

Cell phones are highly unreliable when things hit the fan. That's why police and fire don't use them for their primary communications, and seldom for secondary even.
In fact, not only do I still have land line, but I keep a couple of old style "ma bell" phones that require no external power. The phone companies have ***massive*** battery banks and generators. They can stay up for weeks, even months, as long as lines are up. Cell phone companies still have many, if not most, sites with no back-up power at all, or small battery banks that might last a few hours or so. There are many sites with generators, but again, those sites will become overloaded very quickly.

 

Teacher

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23 Messages

3年前

People will not "get" what you are saying if they are millennial, lol

Scholar

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160 Messages

3年前

warfase1, who are you talking to?  I had already read your post and certainly wasn't talking to you!

 

Glimmerman said:

That flip phone will have to support VoLTE on AT&T to work in the next 6'months.

@Glimmerman :  Prove it. Source?  (An official announcement that is NOT ambiguous would be needed - especially given that (supposedly) iPhones w/o VoLTE will still work  )  I see:

 

@kevin said:

 

You still have 2 years at least of service with a 3G only flip phone.

 

@pgrey even said:

 

@kevink Good point though, about the eBay phones. A lot of these could and might work on ATT, as long as they have good band/frequency matching, but as to whether they will be enabled is a big unknown, unfortunately. 

 

ACE - Sage

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98.7K Messages

3年前


@AboutToGoPostal wrote:

warfase1, who are you talking to?  I had already read your post and certainly wasn't talking to you!

 

Glimmerman said:

That flip phone will have to support VoLTE on AT&T to work in the next 6'months.

@Glimmerman :  Prove it. Source?  (An official announcement that is NOT ambiguous would be needed - especially given that (supposedly) iPhones w/o VoLTE will still work  )  I see:

 

@kevin said:

 

You still have 2 years at least of service with a 3G only flip phone.

 

@pgrey even said:

 

@kevink Good point though, about the eBay phones. A lot of these could and might work on ATT, as long as they have good band/frequency matching, but as to whether they will be enabled is a big unknown, unfortunately. 

 


The link to support article is broken, or article removed.  At the end of this year, new activations of 3G or non VoLTE devices will not be allowed.  (Much the same as Verizon did with 2019). 

     The article simply said non VoLTE phones would have to be replaced.  However no date for replacement is given and no reason to believe a phone will cease working until 3g shuts down.

     What we do not know is if there is a timetable for a gradual 3G shut down, or whether it will be shut down all at once as it was with 2G.   I suspect rural areas will have 3g service until 2022.    

    As annoying as I find it, we must wait and see.   3G phones will definitely have to be replaced.  The question is, will phones perfectly capable of VoLTE be allowed on AT&T, when they work on other carriers.  

      For example I have a 1+ 6t.  I can use it on Verizon or T-mobile with VoLTE, and until recently I had VoLTE enabled on At&t.   It stopped a couple weeks ago, and I can’t get it reconnected.   There is no reason for it not to use voice over LTE on AT&T network, other than AT&T is somehow blocking the phone    

    

 

kevink

ACE - Scholar

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541 Messages

3年前

It is kind of late for ATT to start banning activating with a phone that doesn't support VoLTE on ATT if they haven't already been publicizing it unless they allow MVNOs an extended time to activate phone on the network like Verizon did.  

 

And Verizon still has the hole in their system that ATT likely would too.  Using an already active SIM and just putting it into a phone that is unlocked and capable of working on their system.  If I wanted to signup new on the Verizon network (Verizon, a MVNO), I would either have to buy a new phone or give the IMEI number of a phone that is compatible (BYOP).  However, once account/SIM activated, it will work when moved to a CDMA compatible phone that doesn't support VoLTE.  And likely still work for voice the rest of the year.

 

With ATT supporting it until 2022, the same steps could be done.  

 

Still a big potential of problems as time passes where people bring phones that technically support VoLTE, but maybe not on ATT.  Unlocking doesn't always allow it to work (A prepaid Verizon phone I have which supported VoLTE on Verizon doesn't support it on T-Mobile, for instance).

GLIMMERMAN76

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3年前

Att will start phasing out 3g and continue till the 2022 date.   They did it with 2g.   We already have a LTE only tower here.   It was lit up last week.  They are not going to continue to pay for cell site gear they are going to rip out in 2 years.  They did targeted phone replacements in the 2g shut down.

 

As for a work around a activated sim is all one needs.  Now that may or may not work as attached system seems more aggressive than Verizon's on imei registration.

kevink

ACE - Scholar

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541 Messages

3年前

This is the same issue that Verizon has.  And reportedly, due to spectrum limitations, T-Mobile.  Growth of LTE only towers due to either not including 3G support in new towers (added expense) and not necessarily repairing 3G equipment.  As well as allocations less spectrum to it.

 

So generally 3G only phones will still work, it is more and more likely performance will drop and there may be more holes in coverage.

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