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Create Initial ATT Email address and carrier clarification

I recently signed up for AT&T Fiber 1000 service. I have been assigned a Billing Account Number, Installation order, etc., but nothing has yet been installed. Therefore, my User ID and Access ID are with my current supplier: i.e., abcd@xyz.com. On one of the many pages that I can access on my ATT account, at one time I found an Email address associated with my account, which appeared to be a 15 digit random number, followed by @att.net. I can no longer find that page.

 

I am trying to determine how I can create an ATT Email address; i.e., abcd@att.net. I cannot figure out how to do that. I did a search here, and someone asked the same question in 2012, and was directed to a link which in 2018 does not exist! I also found a page which showed how to add Sub Accounts, but that assumed I already have an ATT Email address.

 

So 1st question: How do I set up my initial ATT Email address?

My 2nd question: If I ever find that page again which had the 15 digit random number, followed by @att.net, how do I CHANGE that address to something recognizable?

My 3rd and final question: It is not clear at all whether your Email system/carrier is AT&T, or Yahoo.. I do have a Yahoo account from 7-8 years ago, but it will only allow me to have one sub-account, whereas ATT says I can have up to 10.

 

I would appreciate any help you can provide.

 

 

Lex

 

 

 

 

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So 1st question: How do I set up my initial ATT Email address?

You account "name" is your email address.  It should have been set up when you applied for the account.  Not sure they would give you a random 15-digit account id with @att.net stuck on the end.  I don't know what page you were looking at since you cannot access any of your account info without logging into your account (chicken and egg?).   You should have also had to chose a 4-digit pin number.  Without that you can't even call the standard att number (800-288-2020) to manage your account since they request that pin to make sure you are you.  Maybe you are missing some paperwork.  Or maybe ATTCares will followup here to help you with this.

 

My 2nd question: If I ever find that page again which had the 15 digit random number, followed by @att.net, how do I CHANGE that address to something recognizable?

As I said your account name is your email address.  So if that is your primary email address I don't believe it can be changed.  You can create sub-accounts however.  But of course you would need to log into myAT&T to do that using your primary email account.

 

My 3rd and final question: It is not clear at all whether your Email system/carrier is AT&T, or Yahoo.. I do have a Yahoo account from 7-8 years ago, but it will only allow me to have one sub-account, whereas ATT says I can have up to 10.

Att uses yahoo as it's email service provider.  So you are actually using the yahoo servers but linked to through att server names (look here).  It's a limit of 20 sub-accounts, not 10, by the way.

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xyzzy:

 

Thanks for the fast response.

 

I have lots of numbers, and different parts of AT&T don't seem to give them the same names. I have a 9 digit Billing Account Number, the 4 digit pass code you mentioned, and 4 ID numbers: User ID, Access ID, Billing & Access ID's for email. ALL 4 have the same Email address, but because when I set this up nothing had been physically  installed (and still isn't), the Email address is my current everyday mail address, which is NOT at ATT.  So are you saying that I would add sub accounts of the form abcd@att.net to my current Email address?

 

In your last paragraph, you sent me to this page:

https://www.att.com/esupport/article.html#!/dsl-high-speed/KM1010523

It that the one you meant? That page has three subjects: POP3 and IMAP Email settings, avoid email hiccups, and ATTConnecTech. None seem to deal with ATT & Yahoo servers.

 

 

Lex

 

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You asked who is handing the email and I said yahoo is but the underlying server names are different from those yahoo users would use.  That page I linked to was just to illustrate the server names you would explicitly use if you were using an email client app (e.g., Thunderbird, Outlook, mobile email apps, etc.). That is the info you would specify to an email client app so it can access the (att/yahoo) mail servers.

 

If you only use the webmail (which you would access through att's home/portal page - start.att.net) you won't need that server info.  I was just trying to make my point of the differences.  Just forget about it.

 

I'm surprised they didn't let you choose your primary account/email address.  Maybe things changed in the years since I signed up.  If your account isn't activated this is all academic since you can't do anything until your activation date.  Is that on any of your paperwork?  Perhaps you are given that at actual installation time.

 

You're current non-att email address means nothing with respect to your att installation unless you are using it as your contact email address (which make sense) and of course assuming it is still working with whatever email service provider you are currently using for it.  If it is not going always even after you install att stuff you might want to use that as your "recovery" email address (for changing or retrieving lost account password).

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xyzzy:

 

Thanks again for the prompt response. I didn't quite understand why you had sent me to that page. As it turns out, I had found a similar page with the server info before. I do use an email client program that I own, which communicates via POP3, and I have it partially set up for an AT&T outbound server. I have attached the setting page for the outbound server. I believe I read that AT&T requires a Secure Password Authentication to login. My current provider requires, in the Username field, a name that is one of my Email addresses for that provider: i.e., abcd@xyz.net. That is one reason I have been trying to figure out how to get an AT&T Email address. As I said, the User ID I was assigned was one of my CURRENT Email addresses, which is not with AT&T, nor is it with my current provider. It is my primary Email address, and I use it all the time. I plan to continue to use it as my primary address after I move to AT&T. My current provider says I will also be able to continue to use the Email addresses I have with them, even after I stop their service. And I read that is also true with AT&T Email addresses.

 

I guess the only reason that I assume I need to have an AT&T Email address, other than if it is required for the outbound server, is so that I can access Emails that are sent to that address; either by AT&T (although they are now sending Emails to me at my current primary [non AT&T] address with no problem) or by spammers. I would need to access my AT&T user page so that I can pick up any of those, and to block spam addresses. That is really all I use my current provider's Email user page for.

 

My current provider is local, and has excellent service. They guarantee their speeds, unlike AT&T. I currently have their 'conventional' service with coax. 100Mbps download, but only 3Mbps upload. I run a website, and often upload large files, so upload speed is important to me. They will not have fiber by my house until the end of the year. But more importantly, even when they install 1000Mbps service, that speed will just be for download. Upload will be only 6Mbps. I cannot live with that. That is why I chose to try AT&T, because the up and down speeds are symmetrical.

 

My AT&T installation has been a comedy of errors. AT&T has just started installing fiber in my area. Two months ago they ran one of their main fiber lines adjacent to my house, and then send me one of their 'special deal' letters. I decided I wanted to try the 1Gig (1000Mbps) package, so I went to my local AT&T store. The salesman could not answer most of my questions, had no hardware to show me, nor could he demonstrate the AT&T fiber service. So I went online, and used AT&T Chat, to get some answers. Then the salesman went on vacation for a couple of weeks. On June 22, I saw that AT&T was doing a fiber installation down the street, so I went and talked to one of the two technicians, who answered some of my questions. For the others, he directed me to a third person there, called an 'In Home Specialist' (he called it their White Glove Service). When the specialist was finished with that customer, he came down to my house, and spent over 2 hours with me! He is the person who set up my Billing Account Number, User ID, Access ID, Billing and Access ID Emails (using my current Email address), etc. He scheduled an installation for June 29.

 

I live in an older house, with a basement and 2 floors. My office is on the 2nd floor, and contains 3 computers—two Win 7 and one XP. Both Win 7 have processors that can handle 1 Gig traffic. My current provider ran coax up a heater duct from the basement to my 2nd floor office. Their modem (your ONT) sits next to my desk. I have a 6 foot long Cat 6 line that runs from their modem to a 1 Gig router that I own. All three computers are attached directly via Cat 6 to the router. One has a 6 foot long line, and the other 2 are 10 foot. I have an approx. 40 foot long Cat 6 line that runs back down the heater duct to the basement and then up to a room on the first floor, where sometimes I use a laptop.

 

After reading some of the threads here about problems with AT&T speed, and since, unlike my current supplier AT&T does not guarantee speeds, I decided that I wanted the fiber to run all the way upstairs to my office.

 

On June 27, one technician arrived. Let me just say that 'customer service' was not his strength. I explained what I wanted to have, and took him through the house. He said he normally puts the ONT in the basement, and would run a Cat 5 (not 5e or 6) from it to the AT&T router in my 2nd floor office. I did not want to have the ONT two floors away, because I know that sometimes it and the router have to be unplugged, and plugged back in, in sequence. Plus, if there was a problem and the router was OK, I would have to run to the basement to check the ONT. I said I was buying 1 Gig (1000 Mbps service), and I wanted the ONT in my office on the 2nd floor. Since AT&T does not guarantee speed, I did not want future fights over why I was not getting what I ordered. He quickly said that the longest fiber he had was 50 feet, and that it was not long enough. So he called his supervisor. After about 30 minutes they concluded that there was not a longer one in the area, and it would have to be ordered. He gave me his and the supervisor's phone numbers, and said they would call me to reschedule. Before the technician left, I asked him about the Email outbound client server issue, and some questions about setting up the AT&T Wi-Fi to minimize Wi-Fi settings my friends would have to change on their laptops when they visit. He did not know any of the answers.

 

The next day (Saturday) I did lots of measuring and rearranged a few things in my office. I concluded that if I moved the ONT to a different location in my office, only 45 feet was required. So during the next week I called the supervisor three times, and left messages saying a 50 foot fiber cable would work. Last week I called the technician and left the same message. Now it is over 2 weeks since the technician was here, and no one has returned my call. Next week I will call the Home Specialist and see if he can get any action. If it takes this effort just to try and get a phone call returned, I wonder what will happen when I have a problem and need quick service?

 

One question perhaps you can answer. I noticed that when the coax was installed in my basement, the technician keep it away from electrical conduit and water lines. Is the fiber affected if it is run adjacent to electrical conduit? If not, I can save a couple of feet, and I could position the ONT closer to my computers.

 

I'll keep you informed when, or if, I ever get anything installed.

 

 

Lex

 

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What email client it that?

 

I believe I read that AT&T requires a Secure Password Authentication to login.

What are the other choices for that login method popup menu?

Also what are the choices for that Connection popup menu?

What's in the advanced settings?

I would think you would want to check remember password between sessions.

 

All of these settings are for your smtp server only.  You would want to set up the POP server settings as well and associate them with this SMTP server.  Presumably your email client supports having multiple email accounts.  If your previous service continues to allow you as you say you could set up your client to access both. 

 

Update, now I think I know what you are concerned about the SMTP side so read what I say next.

 

I guess the only reason that I assume I need to have an AT&T Email address, other than if it is required for the outbound server, is so that I can access Emails that are sent to that address; either by AT&T (although they are now sending Emails to me at my current primary [non AT&T] address with no problem) or by spammers. I would need to access my AT&T user page so that I can pick up any of those, and to block spam addresses. That is really all I use my current provider's Email user page for.

FYI if all you ever want to use is your "old" email address then just use it.  No one says you have to use the att email address so don't give it to anybody else.  If you never had it previously, which means you never used it publicly or with your contacts, you shouldn't get any spam there since it was never used previously.  And who cares if you do (say someone got a hold of the att email address).  All it would ever be is spam.  You wouldn't get anything that is actually important.

 

You can set up the att mail to forward any email sent to the att address to your "old" email address (excluding spam that's picked off by the att/yahoo spam filters).  You would specify that in the webmail settings (for future reference, in the webmail click the gear->settings->accounts, choose the account and a account settings pane is displayed which includes specification of a forwarding address).  while you can do this for "completeness", since the att email address was/is never used nothing really will ever get forwarded to your "old" address.

 

I have a third party email service provider.  No one ever knew of my att email address so nothing of interest is ever sent to it.  It's basically the same situation as I just described.  I did set up the forwarding just in case though.  Doesn't hurt to have it.   FWIW, I did test it out and the only unfortunate byproduct of using the att/yahoo servers doing the forwarding is that stupid att/yahoo email copies the forwarded stuff into the att webmail inbox.   But since I never get email sent to the att address it doesn't really matter.  

 

So in summary, if you want to stick with using your "old" email address continue to use.  If you want to cover anything that might be sent to the att.net account, define the accounts' forwarding setting in the webmail.

 

If you want to add the att.net account to your email client then set it up as an additional account in your client, both POP (or IMAP) and SMTP setting.  That's where you use those server settings I referenced in previous replies.

 

All of this is just academic at this point for you since you don't even have an active account yet.  Why not just wait until you do?  Then worry about setting up you email client.

 

As for the rest of your post...

 

I don't have fiber (probably never will here) but I do not see the need to have to "reset" the ONT by unplugging it.  The gateway (modem/router) and the ONT are two different boxes.  There is a case (many cases I suppose) to reboot the gateway.  So you might want that one some place where you could easily see and get to it.  All the ONT's goal in life is to convert the incoming fiber signal to copper (i.e., so it can be carried on ethernet).

 

If I understood you (rather long, I guess this one is getting rather long too by now) post you have a router connected to the internet and all your computers are wired to that router.  Then I would think that would translate into the ONT (wherever it may be, basement is probably best) cat5e or cat6 connected to the att gateway (which could be in the same place you have your current router) and like your current router all your computers cat5, 5e, 6 (depending on speed requirements) connected to the the gateway's ethernet ports.  And if you need more ethernet ports use a gigabit ethernet switch like GS10x.

 

Note, can I assume you didn't order Uverse tv?  Because if you did that complicates things a bit.

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If you mean the one from Lex replying to your July 15, 2:28 AM (EDT) post, absolutely it was there, though I don't know what the number was. I even made a copy of it. It is repeated below:

 

xyzzy:

 Quick answers first.

1. I use Agent (http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php) Newsreader & Email, although I hardly ever use the newsreader portion. I have Version 7. I never saw a reason to update to Ver. 8. I have used this program for over 10 years.

2. For the Outbound Email Server, the choices for login method, Connection & advanced settings are shown on the 1st attachment. Agent (& my current provider) use 587 , which Agent says is the standard SMTP port for POP3, but AT&T requires 465, so that is why It is checked as a non-standard port. When I switch to AT&T I will check both 'Remember password between sessions' and 'Enable server for sending email'. The POP3 settings for outbound are shown on this attachment.

 
3. Agent supports multiple email accounts. Currently I have 6 of them. My primary one, and 5 with my current provider. The 2nd attachment shows possible settings for an ATT Inbound account. The choices for Login Method are shown on the dropdown. The user name is fake at this point. This is where I started the thread asking about an AT&T User Name. Once set up, the 'Enable account for regular email retrieval' will be checked. AT&T uses a standard 995 inbound port for POP3.

 
4. I did NOT get Uverse. I am keeping my TV with my current provider. And my telephones are the old style copper lines, which I am also keeping.

 


I really like your suggestion to FORWARD all email sent to the AT&T address---once I get an AT&T address. If you notice on that 2nd screen, there is an option to 'Leave message on server'. UNchecked, it removes the message from the server once Agent retrieves it. I don't know if that would work with the AT&T Forward feature or not, but I will sure try it. [Since I sometimes get my Email when traveling on my laptop, I have the Agent installation on my laptop with the 'Leave messsage...' feature checked. Then when I get home and open Agent on my desktop, I will have all my Emails there, for any future reference. Other email proagrams may have this same feature.

Yes this is an academic discussion at this point. And if I had confidence that the AT&T technician that finally comes to do the installation knows anything about setting up Email on anything other that the standard AT&T address, I would just wait. But I foresee that he will install the hardware, proclaim his job done, and leave. So then I will be stuck with trying to sort it all out, with the modem and router for my current supplier all disconnected [though I plan to keep my current supplier for a month or so after the AT&T is installed].

Finally regarding the ONT and where it is located. One of the other threads on the forum talks about the requirement to note the light colors on both the ONT and the router, and the need to power them both on and off in a certain sequence. Looking at the list of folks who replied on that thread, this problem must occur with some frequency.

 
Finally, I do have a 1 Gig switch which I use for non-computer devices that require Ethernet.

 
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Post 8 was your post.  I remember it following my thoughts post.  I create a reply which tool a few minutes and when I clicked the reply button it wouldn't complete.  Curse just spun.  I think during the time I was composing the reply your reply disappeared so there was nothing to reply to and reply hung.  Fortunatly I was able to copy my reply and save it just in case you posted again and use it to compose this reply.  Gad you posted the exact same thing as before now all I have to do is copy what I saved and keep the same quotes you originally posted! Man Happy

 

Never saw the Lithium forum software behave that way before.  Weird.  Anyway, here we go...again...


 I really like your suggestion to FORWARD all email sent to the AT&T address---once I get an AT&T address. If you notice on that 2nd screen, there is an option to 'Leave message on server'. UNchecked, it removes the message from the server once Agent retrieves it. I don't know if that would work with the AT&T Forward feature or not, but I will sure try it. [Since I sometimes get my Email when traveling on my laptop, I have the Agent installation on my laptop with the 'Leave messsage...' feature checked. Then when I get home and open Agent on my desktop, I will have all my Emails there, for any future reference. Other email programs may have this same feature.

All email clients have that option worded one way or another.  I use Thunderbird and it has it too plus additional options to only leave the stuff there for a specified amount of time.  If you use the forward setting in the att webmail you will be forwarding to your old account so you wouldn't have control over what's placed in the att inbox.  But as I previously said why should you care?  The forwarding is "just in case" anything should ever be sent to the att account.  If you never use it and continue using your old account nothing should ever be sent to that att account.  It's as if you never even had the att account in the first place.

I only suggested adding the account to your client, both POP or IMAP and SMTP should you ever want to "play" around with an att account directly.  Just don't give the address to any of your contacts.  That's basically what I have although I don't ever use the account from my client.  I just "visit" the att webmail when I need to refer to something I don't happen to remember to answer webmail questions in these forums.  Nothing is ever sent there from the "outside" because no one knows that address.

One other use is testing that you have the forwarding set up correctly, i.e., you send an email to the att account, and if the forwarding is set up correctly, it should appear in the inbox of your old account.  And it will illustrate that the sent message is also in the inbox of the att account.   But this was only for the testing.  Since no one is going to send there "in real life" nothing is going to get into that inbox.

Yes this is an academic discussion at this point. And if I had confidence that the AT&T technician that finally comes to do the installation knows anything about setting up Email on anything other that the standard AT&T address, I would just wait. But I foresee that he will install the hardware, proclaim his job done, and leave. So then I will be stuck with trying to sort it all out, with the modem and router for my current supplier all disconnected [though I plan to keep my current supplier for a month or so after the AT&T is installed].

Good to overlap the installations if possible.   When the installer comes consult with him what he plans to to and come to an agreement on the various wiring paths before he starts (particularly where he wants to drill holes in outside walls).

 

Finally regarding the ONT and where it is located. One of the other threads on the forum talks about the requirement to note the light colors on the ONT which checking for problems, and the need to power the ONT & the router on and off in a certain sequence. Looking at the list of folks who replied on that thread, this problem must occur with some frequency.

I suggested you leave the ONT close to where the fiber enters your house (you need a power source too to plug in the ONT's power adapter) and then connect the gateway where you desire it.   Frankly, if there are ONT problems, IMO I would assume they are rare enough to warrant the "trip" down to it rather than cluttering up the space with it.  The gateway, on the other, occasionally may need rebooting for various reasons other than line problems.  So it is more desirable that it be more convenient to access.  Also it's status lights will indicate if there any line problems so you would know then to "run down" to the ONT to check it.  But that should be the exception, not the rule.  Of course I don't have fiber so this is only my expectations.  Your choice of course.  But I suspect if you want it where you can see it, i.e., the same place or near the gateway you may end up requiring to have a hole (or holes?) in your wall that might not be too aesthetically appealing (inside and/or out).

Oh, and yes, don't even bother asking the installer any email questions! Man Wink

Also almost forgot.  It is my experience that in most cases, people posting in forums like this (or pick a subject of your choice that has a support forum) are the ones having problems.  Most users don't bother posting in forums saying "hey, I don't have any problems".Man Happy

 

Update added this time around.  I took a quick look over those settings.  Looks ok at first glance.  Good staring point at least.  Maybe you will have to tweak it when you actually try it if you decide to have the separate att account in your client.

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Xyzzy:

 

This is not the 1st time I have had a post disappear. It seems like all of these forum-type programs have some stability issues. Because of that, I learned long ago that if my response is going to be long, or contain lots of numbers, I type it in Word 1st. When I am satisfied, I just do a Copy/Paste. And I have a cache program that keeps every Copy I perform, until I erase it. So when you said my post #8 was lost, I just copied it from my cache program.

 

"But I suspect if you want it where you can see it, i.e., the same place or near the gateway you may end up requiring to have a hole (or holes?) in your wall that might not be too aesthetically appealing (inside and/or out)."  

Yes, I plan to clarify this with the installer 1st. The only hole that is required is the one from the outside through my brick. The location is where my current Coax, plus my 2 phone line cables, come into the basement. No other holes are required  no matter where I locate the ONT (unless the ONT requires holes for mounting).

 

"Oh, and yes, don't even bother asking the installer any email questions!"

You don't have any more confidence in their installers than I do!

 

"Just don't give the address to any of your contacts."

One reason I have 5 email addresses at my current provider is when I have to send an Email to someone, or some company, that I don't really need to get Emails from, but their forms require than I supply an Email address. Then I look at those periodically to see if anything is of value. Since we both know that 'unsubscribing' often means you just get more!

 

"Maybe you will have to tweak it when you actually try it if you decide to have the separate att account in your client."

Glad to know I am on the right track.

 

I'll post back whenever I actually get something installed, and provide a post-mortem!

 

P.S. I tried to use the 'increase indent' feature, to offset your answers, like you did. But I keep getting this error message: 'Your post has been changed because invalid HTML was found in the message body." and my indents were removed. How do you get this program to indent?

 

 

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P.S. I tried to use the 'increase indent' feature, to offset your answers, like you did. But I keep getting this error message: 'Your post has been changed because invalid HTML was found in the message body." and my indents were removed. How do you get this program to indent?

Like here, what I am doing is quoting all or a portion of your post.  Select the text in the reply and use the quote tool  in the reply toolbar (6'th icon from the left, bottom row).

 

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xyzzy:

 

Like here, what I am doing is quoting all or a portion of your post.  Select the text in the reply and use the quote tool  in the reply toolbar (6'th icon from the left, bottom row).

 

Got it. Thanks.

 

 

Lex

 

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xyzzy:

 

Just a quick status update.

 

After several calls last week, I finally got an installation appointment scheduled for my Fiber 1000 service: this Thursday, July 26.

 

That confirmation must have allowed me to access some setup protocol, because I was able to set up my account and establish an @att.net Email Username/User ID. Also I was able to access the ATT/Yahoo Email webpage. I chose the 'Basic' account because it was the only one that allowed me to have black letters on a white background. And like you, I don't plan to use the webpage very much anyway.

 

The layout looks almost identical to my old Yahoo Mail Basic account. I did notice on the Options tab an entry which said: "Access your Yahoo Mail elsewhere", with the ability to check "Access Yahoo Mail via POP", which I checked, because my Agent Email program uses POP3. But it was not clear why I had to check that. Even before checking this, I had successfully sent an Email from my Agent program to my @att.net address, and had also successfully sent an Email from the ATT/Yahoo mail webpage to my normal address that I use with Agent. Do you know what checking this entry actually does?

 

Also, on one of the other threads in this forum (which I find is very good and helpful), I saw a post from what I believe was an AT&T technician, who lived in the Milwaukee, WI area. He said that because the winters get so cold there, that the gray box where the fiber line from the telephone pole connects to the fiber line that runs inside the house to the ONT (I think he called that box an NID) is actually installed INSIDE the house, because the cold winters create havoc with the junction of the two fiber lines if the NID is installed outside.

 

Do you know anything about installing the NID inside? I live in northern Ohio. It gets cold, but usually not quite as cold as Milwaukee. But if the technicians will install the NID inside the house, then I would no longer have to concern myself with whether I would have to move my ONT from my preferred location in order for the 50 foot inside fiber line to reach it.

 

 

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I did notice on the Options tab an entry which said: "Access your Yahoo Mail elsewhere", with the ability to check "Access Yahoo Mail via POP", which I checked, because my Agent Email program uses POP3. But it was not clear why I had to check that.

If it works without it set, not sure why it's there.  Maybe it's some ancient requirement.  I'd leave it checked anyhow. 

 

As for the ONT, I would think it has to be inside anyhow for convenience since it needs connection to a power source which are probably more readily available inside.

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xyzzy:

 

My 2nd question was probably not clear. Here it is again:

 

"Do you know anything about installing the NID inside?"

 

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Not really.  I assume the NID is the terminating point of the outside connection.  As such it would have to be out the outside if for no other reason "strain relief" and then a place to lead to the ONT on the inside (although I believe i I read that ONT come in a "outside" flavor as well).  Instead of second guessing all this why not just wait until Thursday when the installer comes?

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