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10-16-2011 04:15:51 AM
Appears that AT&T has not provided information and data to back up several statements and selling points to FCC in order to pull the merger through. The latest incomplete reports being a request to "prove the merger would produce thousands
of new jobs" . This and other concerns brought up by DOJ seems to lead to a dimmer chance of the merger finally going through.
I wonder what the failed deal would mean for AT&T customers as far as new network coverage , rates, fees and monthly billing goes. I wonde what the failed deal would mean for T-Mobile's future and its customers.
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10-16-2011 05:59:40 AM
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10-16-2011 07:12:18 AM
I've been saying that I'm curious to see how the merger plays out, it just seems like it's one hurdle after the other. And I share Mikewho's concern as to how AT&T is going to respond if the deal doesn't happen. Hopefully they will find some work around to stay on track.

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10-16-2011 07:19:02 AM
Razr8 wrote:
I've been saying that I'm curious to see how the merger plays out, it just seems like it's one hurdle after the other. And I share Mikewho's concern as to how AT&T is going to respond if the deal doesn't happen. Hopefully they will find some work around to stay on track.
would be more interested in seeing what DT will do, they have already publicly stated they will not support the enhancements of two market zones and that one will suffer the drawback of R&D and developmental funding. It will be a financial blow to ATT if the deal does not go through, but as with all business ventures of any size, the contingency planning is already in place for the chanse that the deal was shutdown by the government, then again a election year is coming....

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10-16-2011 08:19:03 AM - edited 10-16-2011 08:27:53 AM
Interesting article - thanks RicoLX! ![]()
The following comments from the Sprint PR rep are interesting - probably need to be taken with a grain of salt considering the source, but interesting nonetheless, I thought. Particularly his points re: opponents having said there is no way to fix this deal because the DOJ antitrust requirements would require a settlement to create another national carrier. (I don't know whether that is an accurate statement or not, but if it is it does seem to be an insurmountable obstacle to a settlement agreement.)
It's really too bad and a difficult situation since DT has repeatedly said they won't remain in this market - at least not in a viable and competitive form. But in my own personal opinion, at&t has not done right by their customers in terms of the current technology (i.e. 3G service), so to carte blanche just hand them the reins so they can try to do something "better" with the next generation of technology would be a sickening outcome.
Maybe there are legitimate reasons for my 3G experiences, but if there are no one has explained it to me - which I wish they would. (I'm not a techie and certainly don't have much knowledge re: network technologies and the backbone supporting infrastructure such as backhaul, etc.)
I simply don't understand how I can be comparing two different instances of two phones side by side (not the same model but same manufacturer so I would think the browser comparison would at least be "reasonable" - an at&t branded SE W580i (2G) vs. an at&t branded SE W518a (3G), and a non-branded Nokia E70-2 (2G, smartphone) vs. a non-branded Nokia E7 (3G, smartphone)) - in both cases with the 3G phone on the 3G network, while the initial connection to the internet was slightly faster on the 3G device (only with the Nokia), in both cases all subsequent page changes while browsing, the connection was equally fast (sometimes exceeded) on the 2G phone. (And realistically, although I didn't go back and test it with the "always on" setting turned on in the Nokia E70, I feel the initial connection speed difference in the Nokias can probably be explained by the fact that I have the "always on" connection turned on in the E7 for e-mail polling (never used it with the E70). I am on the 3G network - the phone indicates that and I have the ability for simultaneous voice and data use.
And I've complained at the at&t store, they checked my account provisioning and gave me a new SIM so that should not be the issue. In a nutshell, my 3G experience has been a complete non-event; and I don't trust that LTE won't turn out to be exactly the same with at&t - at least without some explanation as to "why" I'm seeing the results I"ve had with 3G vs. "why" it's legitimately expected to be different with LTE. At this point, I couldn't care less if the merger not taking place hampers at&t's efforts at LTE, as I say "upgrade/fix the network you've already got so that it gives all customers the promised results." Or if you are somehow hindering my internet access due to the phones I'm using to aid other devices in order to deal with network congestion (maybe a stretch) - be publicly honest about it and explain how that is going to be resolved with an LTE implementation.
There must be a happy medium somewhere between being totally informed and blissfully unaware.
- Doug Larson

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10-16-2011 08:39:33 AM
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10-16-2011 10:37:36 AM
Ann154 wrote:
I still have serious questions about this merger especially their merged coverage maps. I also think that many T-Mobile and/or ATT stores will close just from consolidation if the merger goes through.
that is a given on any merger, duplicate resources will be reduced, have seen locations in my travels where ther was a t-mobile and a att corproate store in the same strip mall, it is a given that one of them will be closed - probably a combination of the one that costs the least to get out of the lease and the number of square feet of retail space.
Learned a long time ago not to believe coverage maps, they are a marketing tool for the carriers that have little basis in fact.
As mentioned DT does not want to be in dual markets any more, if the merge should fail can see the busness being pieced out to the highest bidders - in that case the end users and the personnel being the bigest losers in that senario. Investment bankers are looking at the bottom line with a double digit percentage of return, their average attention span for the investment if about 5 - 6 years, a lot less if the ROI does not hit what they want.

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10-16-2011 10:49:55 AM
Ann154 wrote:
I still have serious questions about this merger especially their merged coverage maps. I also think that many T-Mobile and/or ATT stores will close just from consolidation if the merger goes through.
You would think that ATT&s "fluff talk" about adding "up to 9,600 new jobs" would be just that as well as an exaggeration, being that such merger tend to consolidate, restructure and phase out redundant positions and procedues.
Providing a factual roadmap to FCC with steps that binds att to produce such a post-merger "new jobs" estimate count, may be ATT's snag they cant work out on paper so that it also doesnt' raise flags how will they create that many jobs when potentially laying off hundreds and closing up shops during the restructure.
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10-16-2011 11:27:18 AM - edited 10-16-2011 11:46:36 AM
hme83 wrote:Interesting article - thanks RicoLX!
And I've complained at the at&t store, they checked my account provisioning and gave me a new SIM so that should not be the issue. In a nutshell, my 3G experience has been a complete non-event; and I don't trust that LTE won't turn out to be exactly the same with at&t - at least without some explanation as to "why" I'm seeing the results I"ve had with 3G vs. "why" it's legitimately expected to be different with LTE. At this point, I couldn't care less if the merger not taking place hampers at&t's efforts at LTE, as I say "upgrade/fix the network you've already got so that it gives all customers the promised results." Or if you are somehow hindering my internet access due to the phones I'm using to aid other devices in order to deal with network congestion (maybe a stretch) - be publicly honest about it and explain how that is going to be resolved with an LTE implementation.
HME83, thank you, and I want to say you have posted a well informed and very interesting points too . I wanted to highlight just an excerpt of your post regarding the 3G current status, 4G LTE network upgrade and how I too, have observed how ATT seem to have planned their Coverage expansion/network upgrade.
Like you said, it does appear that AT&T has not done right by its customers (from what i can see, since the rebranding back to AT&T from Cingular). But to pinpont the pivotal turning point more specifically, It seem that our services, coverage, even new device releases were more adequate and acceptible up to 2007 before the iphone was released on the network.
From that moment on, ATT has catered literally to this one phone , falling way behind other carriers in new device releases and choices, leaving the majority of customers with little to no support while iphone issues and fixes were top priority. Especially the very day the iphone was released and embarassed ATT when the network could not handle the usage.
Buying out another carrier and using their towers as part of the network upgrade seem to be an easy way out, especially since its been reported that they already have more spectrum and resources to accomplish the same thing without T-Mobile. That again, lead to why didnt they do so before now?
Your last statement i too believe , that if att has been hindering all other customer network experience while revamping the network to "keep" apples interest , they should at least be open about it. But that part of the business we the customer will never be privy to.
Lets hope that now , since all carriers that exist today have the Iphone in their catalog, ATT will first, "remove the iphone upgrade link" from our accounts so that we dont get subjected to subliminal or 'pressure' ads and show a variety of devices that change up each time we log on. Hoping ATT doesnt put all their eggs on one basket again.
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10-17-2011 04:34:56 AM
It's definitely been a frustrating experience since about Dec 1997 (I believe it was) when they implemented 3G in my area. I lived with a degraded network for several years, but stuck it out. They finally improved the network back to basically where it was before 3G during summer 2010, yet when I purchase a couple of 3G phones, the data access speed I physically see when trying to browse is no faster than it is on a side by side 2G phone? In two different equipment scenarios? Come on!!!!
And like I said - maybe there is a logical reason. But if so - tell me what it is so that I can *maybe* become more sympathetic toward your LTE argument. As it stands, I just feel I've been had; but unfortunately there really aren't any other good national options beyond if I want to remain with GSM service.
There must be a happy medium somewhere between being totally informed and blissfully unaware.
- Doug Larson

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10-17-2011 02:01:45 PM
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10-17-2011 06:04:26 PM
Think about if it was not approved - AT&T would be out a "mere" $39 billion. And with Deutsche Telekom so anxious to get T-Mobile off their hands, I don't think they'll even consider giving AT&T any refunds. I don't know about you guys, but I'd be pretty steamed somewhat wasting $39 billion on a failed merger.
Remember that Wild Banchi... 1993-2010 ![]()

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10-17-2011 06:13:14 PM - edited 10-17-2011 06:17:44 PM
Wild Banchi wrote:
I think it would be very interesting if this deal did not go through. It seemed like it was a done deal at first, almost as if it would take effect right away by how confident AT&T seemed in the buyout of T-Mobile. But, we all know, it could take years for the two companies to finally merge together as one.
Think about if it was not approved - AT&T would be out a "mere" $39 billion. And with Deutsche Telekom so anxious to get T-Mobile off their hands, I don't think they'll even consider giving AT&T any refunds. I don't know about you guys, but I'd be pretty steamed somewhat wasting $39 billion on a failed merger.
I hear you WB, one would expect a company to go bazerk over losing that much invested in a deal gone sour. But for att, thats play money, you know, "monopoly" money (pun intended) Like another post said, that amount and more is probably already factored into the entire scenario...in case it does go down the "drink".
BUT.. i dont see att still "not" going after it somehow, either suing tmo toget it or passing the 39 smackeroo debt down to us the customers
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10-18-2011 03:20:38 AM
Wild Banchi wrote:
I think it would be very interesting if this deal did not go through. It seemed like it was a done deal at first, almost as if it would take effect right away by how confident AT&T seemed in the buyout of T-Mobile. But, we all know, it could take years for the two companies to finally merge together as one.
Think about if it was not approved - AT&T would be out a "mere" $39 billion. And with Deutsche Telekom so anxious to get T-Mobile off their hands, I don't think they'll even consider giving AT&T any refunds. I don't know about you guys, but I'd be pretty steamed somewhat wasting $39 billion on a failed merger.
You won;t see any reports of refunds back to ATT for the contigency fees, that is why it is written into the terms of the merger. ATT owes it and will recoup the loss by insurance and various other equipment infrastructure and contractual infrastructure changes - to be sure one way or the other neither ATT nor their stockholders will eat the bottom line cost if the this fails duse to outside influences. Which means, as always the consumer foots the bill for interference.

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10-24-2011 08:07:09 PM
I suggest they go back to the name Cingular (they're that anyway, just d/b/a ATT), then the deal can go through; after it does, change it back to ATT!
We already saw that with Cingular and ATT stores, some ATT stores closed and Cingular stayed open; then any Cingular stores that were left, became ATT.
I still say if this were Team Red, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. ATT has always been a target.









