Deleting game demos/Blackjack2 6.1

ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

I know that there must be a discussion somewhere about this, but I have not located one. I want to delete the java demo games and the bubble pop game. I have found instructions for the bj2 without the upgrade, but the steps will not work with the 6.1 upgrade. Any current instructions for the current upgrade?

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ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

Never mind, I solved it and here's what I did:

1) Sinc up the bj2 with your computer via ActiveSync.
2) Click on 'Mobile Device'
2) Click on 'Windows'
3) Click on 'Start Menu'
4) Click on 'Games'
Once this file is open, you can highlight what you don't want and click on delete and they're gone. All I kept is the Solitaire and the icon. The demo games and that darned bubble game are gone from the bj2 memory.

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smmonfee · ‎08-24-2007

ghostryder wrote:

Never mind, I solved it and here's what I did:

1) Sinc up the bj2 with your computer via ActiveSync.
2) Click on 'Mobile Device'
2) Click on 'Windows'
3) Click on 'Start Menu'
4) Click on 'Games'
Once this file is open, you can highlight what you don't want and click on delete and they're gone. All I kept is the Solitaire and the icon. The demo games and that darned bubble game are gone from the bj2 memory.

After I hooked up my phone I could not find any of the other items. There is nothing called "mobile device". I have Vista so maybe my Windows Mobile Device Center is set up differently, but I looked everywhere and could not find anything remotely similar. I did find one folder wit the bubble game but nothing else. HELP

ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

Sorry smmonfee, I did forget to mention that I am running WinXP. It must be set up different for Vista. When my bj2 is cabled to my laptop, Microsoft ActiveSynic launches and a small window appears. In the tool bar, there is an "Explore" icon. I click on that icon and that opens another window where there are several files and a 'Mobile Device' icon. That is where step 2 starts.
Hopefully, Vista ActiveSynic has something simmilar.
Sorry grasshopper, my bad.

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tamanaco · ‎03-10-2003

Just a heads up... All these steps do is remove the "shortcuts" (.lnk files) from the Start Menu. The actual games are still in the memory of your phones. These games are part of the WM 6.1 ROM image and can not be deleted. If you ever have to do a factory reset on your phone, the shortcuts will be restored to the Start Menu.

Message Edited by tamanaco on 09-28-2008 06:17:03 AM

Smurfette27 · ‎08-13-2008

That is interesting.. I did not know it would still stay on the memory of the phone. But it does make sense.. I learn something new all the time on here.

HypnoToad72 · ‎09-21-2008

Don't buy the games either; especially from the company that released "BrainChallenge". I had troubles downloading and their support is mediocre... amongst other things. Eventually they got installed, but could not get a refund despite an error on their side.

ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

Thanks for that information tamanaco.
It figures that it would still be there, since it is part of the system. I guess you would need to get into the system to delete them out, and that takes a computer wizz and/or a hack. Which I am not and I don't want to hack the system making my handset a brick.

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smmonfee · ‎08-24-2007

Well, I still want to get rid of the icons. I do not want to see them. So I still want to know how to be rid of them!!

ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

I am hunting the blogs attempting to find a tech that might be able to give us a helping hand.

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tamanaco · ‎03-10-2003

Unless you find someone to "cook" a new WM 6.1 ROM for the AT&T BJII without the games there is no way to delete the games after they have been burn into your BJII.. The OS (WM 6.1) image is written to Read Only Memory (ROM). Look around the xda-forum to get a better idea on what's required to cook a ROM with the components you want to put in your phone. It's not a task for the uninitiated. Every ROM image has critical dependencies that are tied to the phone manufacturer, phone model and service provider..

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smmonfee · ‎08-24-2007

tamanaco wrote:
Unless you find someone to "cook" a new WM 6.1 ROM for the AT&T BJII without the games there is no way to delete the games after they have been burn into your BJII.. The OS (WM 6.1) image is written to Read Only Memory (ROM). Look around the xda-forum to get a better idea on what's required to cook a ROM with the components you want to put in your phone. It's not a task for the uninitiated. Every ROM image has critical dependencies that are tied to the phone manufacturer, phone model and service provider..

Message Edited by tamanaco on 09-28-2008 03:58:55 PM

Message Edited by tamanaco on 09-28-2008 03:59:30 PM

I dont' want to change anything on the ROM. Every other phone I have ever had let me delete the game icons for all the "trial" games I will never play. The ones that interest me are solitaire and the bubble breaker. The others you have to buy to get a decent game and I don't want them there.

ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

Message Edited by ghostryder on 09-28-2008 08:02:29 PM

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ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

Yeah smmonfee, tamanaco has a great point about having to 'cook' a cd rom to get rid of those annoying games. I guess we'll just have to ignore them until samsung allows us to delete them...which I'm sure they will never do because those 'game' makers pay them to advertise on the phones.

Bummer

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tamanaco · ‎03-10-2003

smmonfee wrote
I dont' want to change anything on the ROM. Every other phone I have ever had let me delete the game icons for all the "trial" games I will never play. The ones that interest me are solitaire and the bubble breaker. The others you have to buy to get a decent game and I don't want them there.

To folks reading this thread the subject is misleading. "Deleting game demos"... The steps outlined at the begining of the thread only delete the shortcuts... the steps do "NOT" delete the Games. In conclusion the poster ends by saying "The demo games and that darned bubble game are gone from the bj2 memory" This statement is inacurate. For your info... you can not change anything in ROM. The only way to remove or change anything in ROM is to flash (burn) a new ROM image into your phone. If you updated your BJII from WM 6.0 to WM 6.1 you flashed a new ROM image with OS, Apps and games included. If you want to change anything in it... You gotta reflash.

tamanaco · ‎03-10-2003

ghostryder wrote:
Yeah smmonfee, tamanaco has a great point about having to 'cook' a cd rom to get rid of those annoying games. I guess we'll just have to ignore them until samsung allows us to delete them...which I'm sure they will never do because those 'game' makers pay them to advertise on the phones.

Bummer

I not talking about burning a CD ROM... The term "cooking" in developer's jargon means to build a ROM image to be "flashed" to ROM. To be more technically accurate to be flashed in the EPROM (Erasable Programable Read Only Memory) of the phone. It's not an issue of Samsung or AT&T not allowing you to delete them... it is an issue of having the knowledge or finding someone with the knowledge to "cook" a ROM for your specific phone and service provider.

Message Edited by tamanaco on 09-28-2008 08:36:57 PM

ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

Yes, I jumped the gun as indicating that I fixed the problem without going deeper and seeing that I had just fooled myself. I am sorry to those that went through the trouble of what I indicated as a fix, only to see that it did not solve the problem.

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ghostryder · ‎09-21-2008

tamanaco, I do understand about cooking a cd rom and I know that it is way above my pay grade. thank you for the explanation and your knowledge. I hope that I can find someone local that has that ability.

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smmonfee · ‎08-24-2007

tamanaco wrote:

I not talking about burning a CD ROM... The term "cooking" in developer's jargon means to build a ROM image to be "flashed" to ROM. To be more technically accurate to be flashed in the EPROM (Erasable Programable Read Only Memory) of the phone. It's not an issue of Samsung or AT&T not allowing you to delete them... it is an issue of having the knowledge or finding someone with the knowledge to "cook" a ROM for your specific phone and service provider.

Message Edited by tamanaco on 09-28-2008 08:36:57 PM

[please keep it courteous].

Now to get back to the subject, I just want to delete the icons. It doesn't make any sense that I cannot do it when I have always been able to do it. NO, I did not say DELETE the GAMES. So don't tell me again what has already been stated.

[please keep it courteous].

Message Edited by KevinBG on 09-28-2008 09:44:02 PM

tamanaco · ‎03-10-2003

smmonfee wrote:

Now to get back to the subject, I just want to delete the icons. It doesn't make any sense that I cannot do it when I have always been able to do it. NO, I did not say DELETE the GAMES. So don't tell me again what has already been stated.

That statement is also inaccurate. You did not "DELETE" the icons for the games that were flashed in ROM, all you did was remove "pointers" to them (Copies of the shortcuts in the unprotected area of memory). If you hard-reset or let the CMOS battery (the battery in the system board not the regular battery) discharge your phone will go back to factory settings and the "shortcuts" icons (pointers to the icons/shortcuts/Games/Apps in ROM) will be recreated in your Start Menu folder. Why?... because they have not been "deleted" from the ROM. They are stored (flashed/burned) in a protected area.. The applications /Games that you installed "after" the phone is flashed are stored in an "unprotected" (Read/Write/Delete/Move). area of the memory where end users can manipulate them.

Message Edited by tamanaco on 09-29-2008 06:06:54 AM

foxbat121 · ‎01-14-2005

A lot of mis-understandings. What OP did is the correct way: you can delete the short cut so it won't bother you.

The demos are still in ROM, but it won't affect your phone in any way as long as you don't launch them. You can't free the storage space they occupied. But they are not in phone's memory either, as in RAM, which affects phone's performance.

And starting from WM5, there is no more 'CMOS' battery. All settings are stored in Flash memory and does not require a battery backup like old CE devices needed.

And yes, if you hard reset, those shortcuts will be back. But I don't think OP or anyone else is worried about that.

tamanaco · ‎03-10-2003

foxbat121 wrote:
A lot of mis-understandings. What OP did is the correct way: you can delete the short cut so it won't bother you..

And starting from WM5, there is no more 'CMOS' battery. All settings are stored in Flash memory and does not require a battery backup like old CE devices needed.

And yes, if you hard reset, those shortcuts will be back. But I don't think OP or anyone else is worried about that.

I stand corrected about the CMOS battery... I still have an old Toshiba e740 PDA that I use as a WiFi remote and I forget to recharge it once in a while and have to restore all my programs and settings from my backup image. My recent cell phones are charged on a daily basis, so I have not gotten to the point where their regular batteries are completly depleted. I had forgotten that the newer phones do not factory reset after battery drain as my old PDA.

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