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Recording TV

I have one of the best DVD Recorders made. I used to be able to record everything; since it all went digital, I can't record anything:smileysad: (My DVD says "Cannot record copyrighted material.")  Is there anyway to pull programs off my DVR? I think there is, and here's why:

 

When I hook up the RCA (red/yellow/white) or the other (red/blue/green) cables to my DVR/DVD, I get the error mssg (not to mention a less than stellar picture). When I ONLY connect the HDMI cable from the DVD to the TV, programs will record---but sound only. (I tried only adding the video cable to no avail.) For the record, I'm not trying to pirate anything; there are a few things I've saved on DVR that are 0% available to purchase. (Since that is the case, I rather think that copyrights are unnecessary.)

 

Halp!

 

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Jan 19, 2013 6:54:12 AM
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AT&T's box outputs are all protected with various copy-protection mechanisms.  HDMI is protected with HDCP, and component and composite are protected with Macrovision.  All TV recording devices sold in the US within the past several years are required to honor those copy-protection signals, and will refuse to record if they are present.

You can use a device like the Grex to allow recording.  It will allow use of composite or component (but not HDMI).

 

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AT&T's box outputs are all protected with various copy-protection mechanisms.  HDMI is protected with HDCP, and component and composite are protected with Macrovision.  All TV recording devices sold in the US within the past several years are required to honor those copy-protection signals, and will refuse to record if they are present.

You can use a device like the Grex to allow recording.  It will allow use of composite or component (but not HDMI).

 

*The views and opinions expressed on this forum are purely my own. Any product claim, statistic, quote, or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider, or party.

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Appreciated!

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Jan 22, 2013 4:59:34 AM
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Why would the ATT Uverse box not allow a PVR to be used?  If I can record a channel on the Uverse DVR, shouldn't I be able to record on a PVR?  Why wouldn't I be able to record a channel that I am paying for or is free in HD?

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Jan 22, 2013 5:14:15 AM
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jteixeira It's the copyright laws. The original content owners protect their ownership ferociously by applying technology and contractual agreements.

Customers feel the initial payment should include all possible private viewing.

Owners are looking to eke out the most money possible and prevent leaks to money making opportunities for others.
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Jan 22, 2013 6:10:41 AM
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How does the Grex device get around the copyright laws?

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Jan 22, 2013 6:31:00 AM
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jteixeira - I believe people do have the right to make copies for personal use, if they can find a way to do it. The content owners have a right to make it difficult to do.

The technical implementation makes it possible to block the vast majority, but leaves the ability to ovrcoome it on an individual basis.
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Jan 22, 2013 10:17:26 AM
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Actually, you might want to read the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act).  It actually makes it a crime to attempt to defeat a copyright protection mechanism.

 

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Nov 23, 2013 9:52:52 AM
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It's not the stations. It's AT&T. I was able to record everything from Comcast and Direct when I used them. Switching to Uverse was a huge mistake on my part.

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Feb 16, 2014 5:31:51 PM
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the same problem for me,  I had xfinity , no problem

No with Uverse, same connections I cannot record to dvd.   Even with local channels that should not be copy wrote.  SO are you saying that ANY content weather it me on demand or live tv, cannot be recorded to a dvd recorder?  

If that is the final answer, I will switch back to comcast as there have been other issues with uverse also and I am in my first 2 weeks

 

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Feb 17, 2014 8:30:35 PM
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I get a kick out of reading gushie comments from the A.C.E "official" AT&T apologist crowd.

 

While the copyright laws covered in the law mentioned and elsewhere make it illegal to "copy" copyrighted materials even for personal use that's only half the story.

 

Everyone knows how greedy the movie and recording industries are. However all the big electronic manufacters several years ago CAVED and put in measures in their recorders at the request of the movie and recording industries to make it very difficult to make copies even if all you want to do is move them elsewhere for backup if your VCR fills up or someday crashes and yes, it will meaning all that's on it will likely be lost.

 

Don't like the law, and I sure don't... write your Congressmen.

 

Far be it for me to encourage anyone to break the law, but it has been rumored VCR's made prior to this law had no issues and if you can get one sold elsewhere that might work as might finding one with a firewire output. Just rumors...

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Jun 3, 2014 3:30:07 PM
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This is a complicated topic. First, when I had Comcast I had problem recording until I swapped the box I was given for an older model (Motorola). Problem solved. Apparently the newer box emitted signals that my Toshiba recorder "misread". It had nothing to do with any FCC Regs. Since switching to ATT I have the same recording prolem. However, it appears that I can record some channels (including some cable channels) in the non-HD mode, meaning I have to have the TV set to the non-HD channel. But others (most of the cable channels) will not record no matter what. Is this just a technical issue or does ATT have a policy concerning recording (if so, it appears to be smewhat illogical).

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In case anyone from ATTchecks this followuo to my previous comment. I ran thru most of the non-HD channels (1-450 and sports) to see which ones would not record (I have the U300, and live in Sacramento). The following got the "Can Not Record" blue box message : 10 (ABC), 31 (CW),119 (AMC), 125 (USA), 128-9 (FX), 139 (TVLand), 153 (Chill), 156 (BET), 161 (Cloo), 181 (Bravo),184 (Logo), 216 (CNBC), 229 (Time), 265 (NGC), 318-20 (NK), 322 (TeenNick), 337 (Sprout), 368 (Oxygen). Movie channels: HBO, Starz, Encore (all no).Among the sports channels: 767, 770 (Comcast Sports), NBA, NBCSN....ESPN, ESPNU (but: yes for ESPN2  as well as CBSN, FSN1,2 Pac12 and MLB.  Go figure).

 

My one question: Do those channels have anything in common to explain why I can't record them on my DVD-R? Is it possible the problem comes from the receiver (as was the case with Comcast)?

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Jun 3, 2014 5:31:56 PM
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dnegri - How are you connected from the u-verse box to the DVD-R? HDMI? HDCP could be blocking. Try connecting component, composite, s-video or COAX.
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Jun 3, 2014 5:34:27 PM
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I agree about xfinity. But i also had the same problem with comcast till i found out the problem was the box sending out goofy signals that my DVDR misinterpreted. Getting a different brand (Motorola) box solved it. So I wonder if that's not the issue here, but that might require changing receivers to another series or brand to see, provided ATT owes up to the problem.

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Thanks for quick response.

I have standard video/audio RCA cables going from receiver to my Toshiba DVR. Have HDMI cable from receiver to Toshiba TV's HDMI1 input.Have HDMI cable from DVR to TV's HDMI2 input. So, the input signal goes directly from the receiver to my DVR via basic 3 cables.

 

I could try S-Video. How do I know which outputs to use on the u-verse box?

 

 

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I hooked up s-video, (found the output!),got a picture on tv but same problem when trying to record.

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Jun 3, 2014 5:59:54 PM
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dnegri - When you connect a HDMI cable, you never know what will happen. You should try it with the HDMI disconnected at the receiver.

I could try S-Video. How do I know which outputs to use on the u-verse box?

the receiver has an s-video output connector & use red/white for audio.

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Found a "solution": by using DVD-RW disc and formatting it to the VR mode, the previously blocked channels (see earlier post) became recordable. Whether it is a case of "one copy only" provision or not, I don't know (though given the channels I could/coudn't record previously, I have my doubts). There is a big drawback though: the DVD-RW disc won't play on DVD-R machines that won't read the VR format or allow you to change formats. 

Nor do all decks have the ability to change the format.

 

This solution is not workable with the more common +RW discs nor the R discs.

 

So, I'm better off than yesterday, but still not a totally happy camper.

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