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04-16-2010 01:01:52 PM
Nope. Your're right, Wendy. No one started a new weekly OTT and I simply forgot to notice it. I have corrected that error.
By the way....the images now post fine and work easily....as before. Thank you. Now we need the larger avatars. (I never give up.)![]()
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04-16-2010 01:41:43 PM
Can't let a WOTT stay at just 1 post. If we did that, we might stray on topic, and we can't have that.
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04-16-2010 01:53:49 PM
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Wendigo wrote:
I locked the Weekly OT thread at the request of one of the CL's. I was told that they should be locked every Friday and that a new one would be started. If you want me to stop locking those and leave them open you need to let me know, otherwise I was just following what I thought was prior procedure.
Sorry you lost your post - I was just trying to do as I was asked ![]()
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Don't believe this has been the procedure to lock the WOTT thread down on Friday from the previous week. At least for the past year while Trey was the mod. You would think the CL that requested this may want to start a new one. Instead they requested that the old ones be locked down and let somebody else start a new one??? It really doesn't matter to me but this sure sounds like "passing the buck" to someone else.
Thanks for fixing the image insertion feature Wendy.

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04-16-2010 02:06:39 PM
I just browsed through several of the previous WOTTs, and they're all locked, even back to ones well before Wendy was here. So yes, I think that locking the old one on Friday was normal procedure.
As far as who starts a new one, there isn't any sort of assignment, but normally the people who frequent the WOTT usually start it. When I start browsing the forum on Friday mornings, the new one is almost always already there.

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04-16-2010 02:41:34 PM
Thank you for starting a new one Phil, I would have but I didn't want to step on anyones toes. I'm still figuring everything out. From now on I won't lock the previous weeks unless i see a new one has been started.
Lemmy got to see the vet today. She gave him cookies, so he thought it was cool.
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04-16-2010 05:42:27 PM
Locking down the old wott happens on Friday.
Have a blessed and happy weekend everyone.

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04-16-2010 07:53:55 PM
I just looked back at the WOTT threads and thought for sure we posted in previous ones until a new one was opened. I must be wrong since I'm seeing all the past ones locked down. Sorry.

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04-16-2010 08:52:56 PM
Well....I had been going through a period of staying up really late at night so I found myself starting the new WOTT on Friday A.M. But haven't been feeling all that super duper recently so have been going to bed earlier. Any of you other night owls feel free. It's not an assigned task.
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04-17-2010 07:59:04 AM
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04-17-2010 06:33:59 PM
Things just seem to keep going down hill here. We mowed the lawn today. I do some and Shirley does the rest. Right now she is physically in better condition than I am. I really get pooped out after a few rounds. Anyway....remember when I mentioned that our stupid neighbor to the west of us had sprayed weed killer on his lawn and that all his dandelions started dying within 24 hours. I thought that was pretty quick. Well today we looked at our trees, bushes, rose bushes, and my little seedling and discovered that they are wilting. The new leaves are all hanging there....still green...but very wilted. On the east side of the house, no problem. I went over to his house and rang the doorbell. I asked him what he had used on his dandelions. (keep in mind that it's been a week since he sprayed the yard and you can still smell the stuff) Turns out he used 2-4D....diluted...but much, much too strong and the mist and fumes must have blown over into our yard. 2-4D is primarily an agricultural weed killer and also used commercially on golf courses, etc. It has also been associated with non-hogkins lymphoma in humans and other serious diseases. My Googling came up with the little item that 2-4D is also known as Agent Orange.
Commercial weed killer for residential property often contains very, very small amounts of this stuff. When I spot spray my weeds it usually takes at least a week for them to even begin to show wilt. But eventually they disappear. Well this idiot was impatient so he decided to use the agricultural strength stuff. Our biggest tree in our front yard is all wilted. It's a 25 to 30 footer. Imagine the cost of replacing that one if it dies. My wife works very hard on her roses and she is just sick about this. At least her treasured irises don't seem to be affected. Thank goodness. I called the nursery for advice and they said the only thing to do is liberally water everything to help the plants flush the poison. We have a couple of small magnolia trees on the NW corner of our house. One did not even bloom because of this and the other one looks really sice. They were not too expensive but the planting fee was expensive. I'm going to warn my insurance company that there is a problem. Then I'll let them go after the neighbor. Anyway we're watering things like crazy. I'm injecting water 3 ft. under the surface around the big trees. Sure hope it helps. I wish this nitwit would move. Same guy that originally had a girl friend living with him with the german shepherd and the chow-chow mix that attacked both Shirley and me. The dogs have been gone a long time....the girl too.
OK. sorry. I'm done ranting. Actually, otherwise it was a fabulous day. High of 67.5 deg. under brilliant blue sky. Wonderful day for working in the yard.
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04-17-2010 08:34:31 PM
I'm really sorry about you neighbor, what a pain. Keep an eye on Alfie - sounds like that stuff is really dangerous. I hope you can save your trees.
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04-17-2010 09:27:49 PM
Real sorry to hear about all your trees/plants Phil and hope they snap out of it. While working for the parks for 25+ years I was licensed by the ODA as a commercial pesticide applicator is 7 different categories. Your neighbor sure didn't know what he was doing and must have used too fine of a spray in windy conditions. It sure didn't help he also mixed the 2,4,D in a much stronger concentration than allowed. The warm/hot weather you had recently probably didn't help either since this causes the spray to vaporize and be carried by the wind easier. Sounds like he may have done about everything wrong he could do.
I remember one instance at the parks where a local farmer sprayed his fields with 2,4,D in real hot/humid/windy conditions prior to "no-till" planting. It "bit" all the heirloom variety fruit trees (20) at our historical farm orchard which was a mile away. The fruit tree leaves curled and turned yellow but luckily all the trees recovered.
While you are going to let your ins. company handle this case I'd be sure and use your photographer skills to document the damage. I'm sure you've probably already done this and continued photos to monitor further damage may help with any settlement.
While 2,4,D was one of the major components of "Agent Orange" it most likely may not be the cause of human ailments. The manufacture of Agent Orange consisted of 50% 2,4,D and 50% 2,4,5-T mixed with fuel oil or kerosene. They quit manufacturing 2,4,5-T about 25 years ago since it was often contaminated with TCDD which is suspected of causing major health problems. Here's some info from Wiki on this.
Good luck on your trees and plants. Hope they make a full recovery.

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04-18-2010 09:13:04 AM
Thank you, Uni, for the information. It's really nice to have folks on here who are knowledgeable in so many areas. You give us hope that our plants will survive the onslaught. Walking by this guy's yard this morning with Alfie....well over a week since application....I can still smell the distinctive odor of the herficide. The symptom of curled leaves is exactly where we're at right now. So far no yellowing on the big stuff. But our two smaller, flowering trees at the rear of our house both look pretty sick. Our Scotts yard care folks will be out first of the week and do a spring fertilization of the trees and bushes. I'm also watering. No rain expected until end of this next week. I just wish this kid would get the h--- out and move somewhere else. Thanks again for your input.
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04-19-2010 01:17:15 AM
Pretty puppy you got there, Wendy!
And yes, the WOTT is supposed to be locked on Fri. but the new one isn't supposed to be started before 12 midnight Pacific time, LOL! Think that rule no longer applies, but I got busted by OP all the time for starting it before it was Fri. on the West Coast.
Phil, that is bad about your trees and shurbs, and agree about being a danger to Alfie!
Would be good if you could spray all the plants and trees with plain water, but that could be hazardous for you. Maybe your Scotts guy could do that?
Another thing I'd do is contact the EPA and report it. We have a number down here for that and are even supposed to contact the subdivision patrol (Constables) if we see a neighbor dumping down the storm drains!
One goofball neighbor puts paint down the one on his side as well as turkey deep-fry grease, not to mention grass clippings! Any fertilizers and chemicals also end up in the storm drain and that's illegal. Of course, he always does this on a weekend late when he can't be photographed. Guess I need some night vision photography.
How is anyone able to buy Agent Orange in THIS country?
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04-19-2010 06:03:24 AM
Hey Spd, long time no see and glad to see you post. Your right about Phil flushing his plants/trees with water and believe that's what the nursery told him. Since 2,4,D is a systemic pesticide (drawn into the plant through the leaves) water is about the only thing you can do and rain is always the best. I mentioned earlier that 2,4,D is not Agent Orange. 2,4,D is the most widely used pesticide in the world and the 3rd most used in the US (per wiki). Anybody that uses any type of weed control on their lawns is most likely using 2,4,D.
Phil, your welcome for the input. Here's some contact info for the Missouri Dept of Agriculture. This link/section is for filing a complaint for pesticide damage/misuse by others. I'm sure they deal with cases like yours all the time. If not at least they would get it on record and lead you to some other local agencies. Good luck.
You wouldn't believe all the people around the park lands that damaged the trees/vegetation. I did many investigations on trees cut, herbicides sprayed all over the park boundaries, etc. One guy didn't like the trees on the park blocking the sun to his yard. His solution was spraying gasoline all over the leaves/limbs with a high pressure sprayer. Luckily this just defoliated the trees on one side and they survived. Don't think this guy had one sharp tool in his shed if you know what I mean.

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04-19-2010 07:22:06 AM
2,4D is a popular weed control chemical in many areas of the US, but we don't have too many consumer products that use it here in Houston.
While other areas of the country have lawns of Kentucky Bluegrass, Fescue, etc., the only stuff that will grow in our heat and humidity is St. Augustine. St. Augustine is only one rung up the ladder from a weed, and as such, most of the weed control products that are out there will kill it, including 2,4-D.
About the only weed control you can use on St. Augustine is atrazine, and even that can weaken St. Augustine if you use it too often or use too much of it.

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04-19-2010 08:01:40 AM
Sorry Phil about your idiot neighbor. Tell him to read the directions, next time and maybe ask someone for some help, too. Too late anyway to keep the dandelions away, the best stuff is put down in the Fall + a pre-emergent (from what I've been told).
We lucked into a guy who works for a pro landscaping company through the week and for himself on the weekend. We had two treatments last year and a pre-emergent last week. We also paid for one of our neighbors (he does alot for us). Bargain basement price. Needless to say our grass has never looked better and more weed free. You can see where the other neighbor's dandelions stop, right at the property line. The big guys (Scott's Turf Green and so on) couldn't do half as good - they only made the grass grow too darned fast.

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04-19-2010 08:02:07 AM
Wendy: Nice picture of Lemmy!

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04-19-2010 03:56:13 PM
SomeJoe7777 wrote:
2,4D is a popular weed control chemical in many areas of the US, but we don't have too many consumer products that use it here in Houston.
While other areas of the country have lawns of Kentucky Bluegrass, Fescue, etc., the only stuff that will grow in our heat and humidity is St. Augustine. St. Augustine is only one rung up the ladder from a weed, and as such, most of the weed control products that are out there will kill it, including 2,4-D.
About the only weed control you can use on St. Augustine is atrazine, and even that can weaken St. Augustine if you use it too often or use too much of it.
Real interesting SomeJoe and believe St. Augustine grass is the same grass that was planted throughout Miami/Coral Gables where my brother lived. To me it looked like real thick, luscious, crabgrass that can really take a beating.
From "Weed Science":
"Something unusual about atrazine and St. Augustinegrass is that most turfgrasses are injured by atrazine, and cool-season turfgrasses are severely damaged at even low rates of atrazine, so St. Augustine grass is fairly unique."
Strange that if you would spray 2,4,D down there it would damage/kill all the St. Augustine turf and it you sprayed atrazine up here it would damage/kill all the cool weather grasses.
For those that don't like using herbicides at all some suggest using corn gluten meal for pre-emergent weed control in turf and vinegar for spot killing dandelions. As with anything else you would need to check what product you are using on different types of turf.

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04-19-2010 07:05:11 PM
On a little different subject. I hope this link works because y'all just gotta see this video of twin baby mooses (sp?) playing in a backyard with a running water sprinkler.
http://www.wimp.com/babymoose/
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04-19-2010 07:26:21 PM
Ya, St. Augustine is a weird one as far as grasses go. It's very coarse compared to other grasses, and has one defining characteristic that you can always look for to identify it: It's the only turf grass that has very distinct boat-shaped-tipped leaves.
St. Augustine has a couple other advantages. When properly cared for, it will grow very thick, and can give you a lush green lawn. St. Augustine also only spreads via above-ground runners (stolons) unlike most other grasses which also spread via below-ground runners (rhizomes). This has the advantage that you don't need a barrier between the grass and a flowerbed. For most other grasses, you need a stone wall, pavers, or some other type of barrier to prevent the grass from spreading into the flowerbed. With St. Augustine, all you need to do is edge the flowerbed with a line trimmer once in a while. Common St. Augustine like that used on the Texas gulf coast is also very shade-tolerant, and will grow inbetween houses and under trees where the sunshine is infrequent. The St. Augustines that are cultivars (Floratam and Seville, typically used in Florida) are not as shade-tolerant.
Unfortunately, St. Augustine has a lot of disadvantages as well. It EATS fertilizer like it's going out of style, and typically needs extra iron. It's very suceptible to insects and fungus, especially brown patch (late fall). St. Augustine cannot be grown from seeds -- to start a lawn you have to use expensive sod (sometimes plugs are used, but it will take a while to get coverage). It has to be watered at least 1" per week in the summer. And St. Augustine is the only lawn grass that's suceptible to a virus (St. Augustine Decline virus), and there's no cure for it. If your lawn gets infected, the whole lawn will die in 2-3 years, and you'll have to rip it out and re-sod.
If St. Augustine is weakened by insects or disease, typically weeds or other grasses will tend to grow in before the St. Augustine does. You can pull or kill the weeds, but often Bermudagrass will creep in, and once the St. Augustine and Bermudagrass have mixed, the Bermuda is hard to get rid of. About the only thing you can do is exploit the fact that St. Augustine like to grow tall, and Bermuda doesn't. You just have to keep jacking up the mower until it's on the highest setting, and let the St. Augustine eventually crowd out the Bermuda.
St. Augustine's ideal height is 3-4", which is much higher than Kentucky Bluegrass or Fescues. And it's way too high (and thick) to be cut with a reel-type mower, you have to use a rotary-mower. And you'll need a self-propelled one too, because it's nearly impossible to push one through 4" St. Augustine. I've known some people who've moved from a northern state down to Houston and try to go cut their lawn with a push-type reel mower. After about 2 hours and they're 1/4 of the way through the yard, they tend to figure out why reel lawnmowers aren't sold here. ![]()
The atrazine works on St. Augustine for weed control, but atrazine only kills broadleaf weeds (dollarweed, dandelion, ground ivy, chickweed). If you have any grassy weeds (dallisgrass, crabgrass, johnson grass), there is nothing you can do except pull it. On occasion, I've used glyphosate (RoundUp) on some weeds, but you have to be careful and get it only on the weed, not on the grass. For spring weed control, I've done this:
- Put on a rubber glove
- Put a cotton glove over the top of the rubber glove, so the cotton glove is on the outside
- Soak the cotton glove with RoundUp
- Grab a weed and just stroke it with your gloved hand to get all it's leaves wet with the RoundUp
Spot-kills the weeds perfectly. This method works perfectly for dandelions, because they're impossible to pull (root is too long). RoundUp only kills what it touches, it doesn't soak into the soil (unless you dump or spray a lot of it on the ground).
Dallisgrass is one of the most common grassy weeds around here and it's an absolute pain to get rid of. It's very distinctive, it grows in a starburst pattern and has very straight lance-point leaves. It's the exact same color as St. Augustine, but grows way faster, so when it's time to mow, you always see these starburst-shaped clumps in the yards of people who don't pull the weed.
Anyway ... I've rambled on way too long on St. Augustine trivia ...
... but I do my own yard and always have, so this is just stuff I've learned over the years.

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04-19-2010 08:35:47 PM
Actually its really interesting. We moved to FL from VA two years ago and didn't realize one of the things we'd have to get used to was completely different grass. In VA we had Rye and Bluegrass on top of clay and rocks. The St. Augustine grass is very different to care for.
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04-19-2010 09:12:06 PM
SomeJoe, thanks for all the info on St. Augustine grass and very interesting. I remember when the horrible Johnson grass weed first moved into our rural area. The area farmers were even out in their fields with hand wick applicators trying to eradicate it with Roundup. Your cotton glove over a rubber one sounds like a great idea for weed control in small turf areas. Have to give you credit for being so tech savvy in so many areas and doing your own yard work. ![]()
Phil, your video of the moose with her twin calves is great. Whether humans or animals, kids will always be kids when it comes to a sprinkler. ![]()

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04-19-2010 09:44:48 PM
Love the baby moose, Phil.
One moose. Two moose? Mooses? Meese? ![]()

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04-20-2010 09:14:50 AM
On our farm the Roundup is applied with a special applicater that consists of wicks which wipe across the weeds (which early in the crop growth are usually taller than the crop). It is not sprayed on because, of course, it would kill everything. I use Roundup primarily on stray grasses and weeds that sprout in our landscaping. I have to be really careful not to get it on our bushes, etc. Our yard is primarily bluegrass which....thank goodness....is gradually crowding out the other coarse, less desirable varieties. In addition to our Scott's service treating for weeds and fertilizing....I spot spray Weed Begone on individual plants. It seems to work fine. Weed Begone does have 2,4-D in it but only .10% (1/10 of 1%) concentration. Right now we have a beautiful green carpet with no weeds. Would like to keep it that way. Hot dry summers cause the grass to go dormant and then the weeds make their big push to invade.
I finally made the effort to look up "moose" in the dictionary. Both the singular and plural forms are spelled the same: "moose".
I should have known that...duh.
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04-20-2010 10:41:31 AM
Yep, per funtrivia:
The word "moose" came to us from Algonquian Indians. Consequently its plural, instead of being "mooses" or "meese", is the same as the singular. That is true of most Indian names whether of a tribe, such as the Winnebago and Potawatomi, or of an object such as papoose. It is also true of many wildlife names not of Indian origin -- for example: deer, mink and grouse.
So this brings up another question Phil. When you traveled across the country in your RV and pulled into a mobile home park did you say, "Look at all the Winnebago" or "Look at all the Winnebagos"? ![]()

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04-20-2010 03:41:16 PM
Oh me. Well.....I'd have to say that one is a Winnebago. Two are Winnebagos. The little class C rigs, where the bed area extends forward over the cab, are called Minnie Winnies. Our three motorhomes (over 19 years) were all Holiday Ramblers. The last one was a 37 ft. long diesel pusher with a large slide-out room extension in the living area.
We both still miss the freedom we enjoyed in our lives. Would go back to it in a minute if health permitted.
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04-21-2010 06:06:22 AM
fwiw
powerline steps up the speed
The Powerline AV 500 Adapter Kit (XAVB5001) and the Powerline AV+ 500 Adapter Kit (XAVB5501) will be among the first to comply with the IEEE draft P1901 standard for powerline products. Current HomePlug AV products are rated to top out at 200mbps (but real world speeds are more in the 100mbps range). Powerline products use existing electrical circuitry and therefore require no additional network wiring; they are also generally more reliable than wireless for streaming media.
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04-21-2010 08:42:19 AM
randyl - the ham radio community has been very harsh critics of BPL (Broadband Power Line) as supposedly it creams most of the HF (shortwave) spectrum. We'll see. A radio guy that I chat with in British Columbia saw a Powerline setup for sale at Costco, last month.

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04-21-2010 12:51:14 PM
CUTE!!!
Wendigo wrote:Thank you for starting a new one Phil, I would have but I didn't want to step on anyones toes. I'm still figuring everything out. From now on I won't lock the previous weeks unless i see a new one has been started.
Lemmy got to see the vet today. She gave him cookies, so he thought it was cool.








