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Will Northeast MI ever receive 3G?

I've heard talk about how ATT is "working on their network coverage" and plans to provide 3G service in Northeast MI "in the coming months".  Well, now that another 2 year contract has expired, I'm seriously wondering if I would be better off jumping to Verizon.  The EDGE data network up here if virtually useless.  5 full bars, yet extremely poor data transfer.  

 

Can anyone provide an HONEST answer as to when this coverage is planned to be upgraded???  Verizon has had 3G for quite a long while up here...

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Aug 3, 2013 10:48:39 AM
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It's now Saturday, August 3, and it is mostly Edge data coverage today. 4G comes and goes. Several times today I had no data or cell coverage here in Pickford. Last night, we had 4G most of the time with pretty good speeds.

Wondering how long till the switch is turned on permanently.

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Aug 3, 2013 1:03:10 PM
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Do you think they are testing it or something?

 

Now that all these towers have been upgraded to 3G/4G ,will ATT need to add new antennas for when they eventually upgrade to LTE? or will these recent upgrades allow them to basically "turn on" LTE whenever they plan for LTE to go live on that tower?

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Aug 3, 2013 2:38:40 PM
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@JREwing53

 

Data here in Lewiston in shotty as it is toggling between 4 bars of EDGE and 2 bars of "4G" as well.  They seem to have tuned the power level down when the 4G is on here and also the tower in Atlanta, which means they are still testing or there may be some other issues. I mapped coverage in both towns on Sensorly and you can see the very light, almost non-existant coverage on the map so my phone is depicting the weak signal the tower is giving off. It would appear there is complete HSDPA (3G) coverage on M-32 from Gaylord to Alpena, and on M-33 between Atlanta and Onaway.

 

@American Ninja

 

Yes they are testing but I don't think it will be long before they leave it on and turn it up to full power.....which doesn't mean an increase in speed however. I haven't been to Alpena lately, but the city is now depicted in darker Orange which I assume that means they are running HSDPA 7.2/UMTS/HSPA+ which is on some form of enhanced backhaul. The areas that have the new coverage now will be upgraded sometime later this year. AT&T does not have to add new pannels for LTE. All of the towers with new panels have the latest technology which are multi-modal and multi-frequency capable. They can be used for all of AT&T's network bands...EDGE/3G/HSPA+/LTE/AWS. 

 

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These screenshots were taken last night here in Lewiston. Notice the high dBm. This test was taken about 300 yards from the tower.

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Aug 6, 2013 3:23:00 PM
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JREwing53

 

Is the 4G still on and off in your area or has it been on consistantly?? Heard anything about Detour and Drummond Island??

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Edited by JREwing53 on Aug 6, 2013 at 4:16:41 PM

Today, we had 4g with five bars most of the day. Tonight, it's been Edge with three bars. If I turn airplane mode on and off, I will get 4g. Not sure why I keeps doing that.

They must be working on the Cedarville tower also. No news on Detour or Drummond Island.

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Aug 6, 2013 4:28:39 PM
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Inconsistent speeds tonight.

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Ok thanks for the update. It was doing that in Lewiston as well and even though the AT&T tower there is not as tall as the Verizon tower, AT&T's "4G" signal seems to be getting out farther than the 700MHz LTE signal. It shouldn't be long before they turn it up to full power :smileyhappy:

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Aug 7, 2013 5:54:41 AM
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It's Wednesday, August 7. Downtown Pickford is showing excellent coverage and download data speeds. The upload speed is pretty slow though. Showing five bars most of the time. If this keeps up, I'll stick with AT&T. Hey, it's not LTE, but at least it's decent for our area.

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Aug 7, 2013 9:06:45 AM
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Edited by Lewyman on Aug 7, 2013 at 9:13:39 AM

Excellent!!! The speeds up there should only get better by the end of the year. If that test was in downtown Pickford and the tower is 3-5 miles south, you are doing very good. LTE is great but because the towers are spread out so far in northern MI ,you fall back to 3G and 1x quite often when venturing a few miles off the main roads. I have Verizon phone/data service and I can say that for a fact. Now AT&T will most likely launch LTE up there in the next year or so,but it probably won't be on 700 MHz. When they upgrade the entire U.P. that will be awesome!!! Here is a speedtest I ran last night using my AT&T Liberate hotspot, and which you should see similar speeds as well in the next 5 months.

 

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HSPA+ Almont, Mi.

 

 

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Lewyman wrote:

Excellent!!! The speeds up there should only get better by the end of the year. If that test was in downtown Pickford and the tower is 3-5 miles south, you are doing very good. LTE is great but because the towers are spread out so far in northern MI ,you fall back to 3G and 1x quite often when venturing a few miles off the main roads. I have Verizon phone/data service and I can say that for a fact. Now AT&T will most likely launch LTE up there in the next year or so,but it probably won't be on 700 MHz. When they upgrade the entire U.P. that will be awesome!!! Here is a speedtest I ran last night using my AT&T Liberate hotspot, and which you should see similar speeds as well in the next 5 months.

 

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HSPA+ Almont, Mi.

 

 


That's faster than my internet service here in Pickford. We have Centurytel, and it's the most horrible internet service I've ever had. Zero customer service. But they have a monopoly here and they know it. Hopefully AT&T will bring UVerse here in the near future. Charter was here years ago, but left town.

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The network here is just lightning fast this evening. Don't know what is going on but I have a feeling AT&T is getting ready to fire up LTE very soon here. I can honestly say I have never seen uploads on HSPA+ this fast and consistant as they are running right now. The speeds from my hotspot are faster than my DSL as well.

 

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Lewyman wrote:

The network here is just lightning fast this evening. Don't know what is going on but I have a feeling AT&T is getting ready to fire up LTE very soon here. I can honestly say I have never seen uploads on HSPA+ this fast and consistant as they are running right now. The speeds from my hotspot are faster than my DSL as well.

 

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You need to turn your wifi off. Those are your wifi, not your network speeds.

 

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Edited by Lewyman on Aug 7, 2013 at 5:33:11 PM

This screen shot I uploaded is from my Verizon phone . The WiFi is on and is connected to my AT&T hotspot running on their data network. The WiFi connection speed between our phones and a DSL/Cable modem/Hotspot is around 75 Mb/s. These speeds are the actual throughput speeds on AT&T's HSPA network. I sent a test email with a 5MB picture and it took less then 10 seconds to send. My uploads are back to around 1.5 and I can't figure out why they spiked up so high. I am thinking they are getting ready to light up LTE or they are testing AWS running on HSPA+.

 

Edit: Not to be confusing but the screenshot I uploaded with 10.8/2 Mbps was taken using my old HTC Vivid phone after swapping the SIM out from my Mifi Liberate hotspot. This last upload with multiple speedtest results was taken on my Verizon Droid DNA connected to the Mifi Liberate. Those results are actual AT&T network speeds.

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Aug 11, 2013 11:42:39 AM
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Any word on Lovells or Grayling yet?

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Grayling area is live. Full coverage from St Helen all the way through Vanderbilt. The Lovells tower has not been upgraded with broadband antennas yet as of last weekend. Probably in the next month or two.

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4G speeds are blazing fast here in Pickford. HSPA+ showing on my device. Yesterday, we traveled to Mackinaw City and it was solid 4G all the way. Cedarville is fired up now as well.

Then we drove to Drummond Island and noticed that Detour is now showing 4G.

So it looks like we are making progress.

Now the bad part: Took a trip to Munesing Friday,and noticed that it's solid Edge over there.

At least the eastern UP is getting covered. I could not be happier.

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Very cool. Was it solid 4G all the way from Cedarville to De Tour? If so the tower near Goetzville is live as well and I bet Drummond is lit up now too. The tower in Gould City also has 4G .....near the Manistique lakes.

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Lewyman wrote:
Very cool. Was it solid 4G all the way from Cedarville to De Tour? If so the tower near Goetzville is live as well and I bet Drummond is lit up now too. The tower in Gould City also has 4G .....near the Manistique lakes.

I don't think Goetzville is live yet.

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Ok. It probably won't be long now. I can't wait to get back up there and do some scouting:smileyhappy:

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Lewyman wrote:
Ok. It probably won't be long now. I can't wait to get back up there and do some scouting:smileyhappy:

It was solid 4G all the way from Mackinaw City to Detour/Drummond Island. Once I got a few miles north of Detour heading back to Pickford via the back way, I got a big fat X on my phone. No cell coverage and not data obviously.

The big roll of cable is still hanging on the pole outside the gate at the Pickford tower. Curious what they are going to use that for. It's been hanging there for three months now.

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Hey.....the new coverage map is out today:-D
I am curious to see what that wire is also. Could be just extra phone line because AT&T has those hanging on the poles around here as well.

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Whoa! New 3G/4G coverage in the U.P.! Getting closer to the McFarland tower!

 

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Edited by Lewyman on Aug 12, 2013 at 7:19:56 PM

As of 8:38 pm this evening they pulled all the new coverage off the map.Lol

Maybe they will add a bunch more before they put it back up.

 

EDIT:  There IS or WAS a ton of new coverage in NE Wisconsin on the map as well. WOW.

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I noticed that too.  C'monnnn Western U.P!

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I just checked the coverage again and its still there. :smileyvery-happy: 

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Hmm Wierd. The map I am viewing on my phone still doesn't show the new coverage that appeared yesterday.

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Weird. I looked on my pc and its still there.

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I live in Iron Mountain and we still have Edge. It's not even solid Edge. Sometimes takes over 1min to load Google.com or it loads halfway and then drops the signal.

Last week I was at daughter's soccer game and i was going to check my eBay account and my email and it loaded a billion times faster than Edge.

I almost fell over, I had an H...told wife and she did also. this lasted for the entire soccer game.

Switched back to Edge on the way home. It's less than a 5min walk from our house to the soccer field. So it's not like we drove 40miles...

 

Sad that we can't get anything better than Edge here. At the family farm in Houghton, way out in the middle of nowhere near Lake Superior, I have HSPA. I'm sure it's because Michigan Tech is there...This is getting ignorant.

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They are lighting up new towers so you may have been on a new tower that is in testing. Same with Lewiston...it went on for a while, sometimes hours and then switches back to EDGE. Try this.....try going to different areas of your house and turning on Airplane mode....then turn it off. Sometimes your phone will stay connected to EDGE but doing this kicks it over to H+ or "4G".

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thanks Lewyman...I tried turning off/on.  The following day I gave my daughter my phone and we drove around the area where we had the change and throughout town. Even went near the towers. No change.

 

I'll keep trying and post so ppl know it's coming on line.

I used to design & draft systems for the big telcos. I'll have to check with my old co-workers and see what they say

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