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Will Northeast MI ever receive 3G?

I've heard talk about how ATT is "working on their network coverage" and plans to provide 3G service in Northeast MI "in the coming months".  Well, now that another 2 year contract has expired, I'm seriously wondering if I would be better off jumping to Verizon.  The EDGE data network up here if virtually useless.  5 full bars, yet extremely poor data transfer.  

 

Can anyone provide an HONEST answer as to when this coverage is planned to be upgraded???  Verizon has had 3G for quite a long while up here...

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Lol Lewyman, in AT&T's case it is probably just a network problem in Gaylord. They won't be testing LTE there for a long time. I see a little blob of Verizon LTE somewhat near Gaylord on Sensorly. They should be turning on the entire Gaylord area very shortly. 

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I have heard some rumblings that HSPA+ may be active in the Cheboygan area.

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If Sprint has LTE coverage popping up in northern Michigan, then AT&T should have the same or more spectrum shouldn't they? Or is Sprint deploying LTE on another band other than 700MHz? Spotted that little bit of coverage northwest of Gaylord but it is in the extended area on Verizon's coverage map. I mapped Verizon 4G on 75 up to around the 197 mile marker. On the return trip the signal was on and off so they must be still testing.

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@Tpeltz

 

Went by Big Red's tower in Lewwy today and guess what I saw sitting at the base station?? Here is a clue:smileyvery-happy:

 

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Sprint uses 800Mhz and 1900Mhz for LTE. 

 

Looks like Lewwy is going to get some LTE love very soon. Those are three brand 700Mhz antennas. 

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I drove by there this morning and was disappointed that there was nothing new but something caught my eye. Put it in reverse and low and behold:smileyhappy: Glad I had my camera. Looks like it is going to happen:smileyhappy::smileyhappy:

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Edited by American Ninja on Apr 8, 2013 at 9:30:15 AM

I have a question. Since Gladstone and Escanaba have HSPA+ 4G now, when the time comes when we get 4G LTE does AT&T have to add new equipment to the towers for LTE or is it as simple as "flipping the switch"?

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AT&T will need to add more antennas to the cell sites that are currently HSPA+ only, since their LTE network runs on different frequencies than HSPA+. But in order to launch LTE in northern MI (including the U.P), AT&T needs to aquire more spectrum for LTE or wait a while until hardware manufacturers can create radio baseband processors that can handle LTE on 700/800/1900/1700/2100Mhz bands

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Ah ok, thank you for the info. What do LTE antennas look like?

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The LTE antennas looks extremely similar to HSPA+ antennas in AT&T's case. The LTE antennas may be a few inches longer than the (850Mhz) HSPA+ antennas. Other than that, it is hard to tell with AT&T.

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@Tpeltz
You have more knowledge of spectrum than I do so I will ask a question. We know AT&T currently doesn't have the needed paired 700 Mhz spectrum to launch LTE in northern Mi but from what I gather they do own a lot of AWS spectrum statewide. Could AT&T use strictly that spectrum to launch LTE/LTE-A instead of using 700??

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Edited by American Ninja on Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40:20 AM

Ok, thank you.

 

I see AT&T updated their coverage map as of 04/02/13 but it doesnt show the new 4G data coverage in Gladstone/Escanaba. Unless they are wating until they are done ugrading all their towers in the U.P. before adding the new coverage areas?

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When Gaylord got 4G last year, I think it took two months or so before it showed up on the map. But I will say I have seen new coverage appear on there without the date changing so it could appear anytime. It will be nice to see as Alpena and possibly Cheboygan, Escanaba/Gladstone, and hopefully many more areas will turn darker blue.

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Edited by American Ninja on Apr 10, 2013 at 10:49:26 AM

Ok, thank you.

 

I just saw this via AT&T on Twitter: 

 

AT&T activates its 4G LTE network in some new cities, names many more that'll go live this summer.

 

Time for another AT&T 4G LTE network expansion. This morning, AT&T announced that its LTE service is now available in a handful of new markets that are peppered across the U.S., including Kalamazoo, Mich., Rocky Mount, N.C., and Santa Rosa-Petaluma, Calif. AT&T has also expanded some of its existing coverage in other markets, bringing more LTE service to places like Greensboro, N.C., and the San Francisco Bay Area.

There's also some good news this morning for AT&T customers that are still without access to Big Blue's 4G LTE network. AT&T has named a long list of cities (all in separate announcements) that will be gaining LTE coverage this summer. There are quite a few towns that'll be joining Club AT&T LTE this summer, including Cape Cod, Mass., Davenport, Iowa, and Salem, Ore. The full lists of AT&T's new, expanded and upcoming are all available at the bottom of this post.

AT&T has said in the past that it plans to cover 250 million people with its LTE network by the time that 2013 comes to an end, and with today's lengthy list of markets that'll be going live in the summer, it looks like the carrier is pushing hard to reach that goal. It's not clear exactly when each city will be going live, but at least AT&T customers in those locales now know that their own taste of 4G LTE goodness is getting close. Stay tuned and we'll give you a shout once AT&T starts flipping its switches.

 

Here are the cites in Michigan:

 

New markets:

 

 

Kalamazoo, Mich.

 

Markets coming this summer:

 

Flint, Mich.

Lansing, Mich.

Muskegon, Mich.

Saginaw, Mich.

 

 

 

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What happens when you can see the AT&T tower five miles away, and then look at your phone and you have no data signal? Not even an Edge signal. That's what is going on in the eastern UP.

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That could be a great thing as they might be upgrading or testing. Now is there a series of antennas, usually 2 side by side every 120 degrees or does it have the tall whip style antennas?

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AT&T has announced it is bringing LTE to Flint and Saginaw by the end of summer. What good is it if you drop to EDGE north of Saginaw?? They can't compete with Verizon for statewide LTE coverage so they should be aggressively working on HSPA+ 21. I have noticed a lot of their towers in northern Michigan have newer antennas capable of 3G/H+ but continue to broadcast the dreaded "E"

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I think a better assessment can be made by year-end 2013. By then, both Verizon and ATT will have the state of Michigan covered with 4G or 4G LTE. In the eastern UP, they have told us that we will have 4G by June 29. Verizon is also upgrading to something around here that is going to expand their coverage. If ATT is going to compete in Michigan, they had better be moving fast. I know many people in the Saginaw area, and all of them are with Verizon since Big Red was the first to have 4G LTE coverage. It'a all a matter of who has the best coverage.

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AT&T updated their coverage map 04/10/13, still not showing 4G in Gladstone. I wonder if they will wait to add the new areas in the U.P. until they are finshied upgrading all their towers? At least people have been doing a good job updating the coverage map on Sensorly.

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I would not believe Att coverage maps. Around here, it shows solid 4g. I rarely ever see a 4g signal. In fact, the intersection of Hwy 129 and 48 shows 4g, and you can't even get a cell signal there.

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They don't update their hspa+ coverage very often as Alpena isn't showing either. Their priority is updating their LTE coverage.

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Any news on when Drummond Island will have 3G ?

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I would guess that June 29 would be a target date. Our tower is about seven miles north of Cedarville and that is due for conversion to 4g on June 29. They are running the fiber line down 129 now. I think the Drummond Island tower is near Detour? I would think at least by the end of the summer.

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AT&T's coverage map is now showing the new HSPA+ "4G" coverage in Alpena, Cheboygan area, and up by Gladstone.

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Edit: Cheboygan is still on EDGE according to the map. The new 4G coverage in that area is surrounding Black Lake. There must be an AT&T exec that has a cottage there and is tired of having crappy service.  

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Sweet! I just checked the other day and it wasnt updated. Glad to see its updated now. :smileyvery-happy:

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A few items that make me wonder if AT&T is working on towers, or if my phone just isn't working right.

I'm in Marquette last Thursday, and my phone (HTC One X) has trouble connecting to 4G. My wife's feature phone (dumbphone) picks up her 3G several miles before mine even has a 4G icon. While I'm at the hospital there, I have a big fat X on my phone showing no reception, no data, and no signal, while her phone is working fine.

So Friday, we head downstate to Flint. While traveling from Cedarville to I75, her phone all of a sudden picks up her 3G signal about halfway to the Interstate and stays on 3G on down through Mackinaw City. My phone never picks up a 4G signal the entire way until we get to Gaylord. Once we hit the first 4G area south of the Mackinaw Bridge, my phone phone works fine. Picked up 4G in Saginaw and 4G LTE in Flint area fine.

When I go back home, once I hit Mackinaw City, my phone works normally.

I tried restarting my device on the two occasions, and that didnt' help.

Any ideas?

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@JREwing53

 

I have found that "dumb" phones usually have better reception than smart phones. Even though your phone is one of the top smart phones, it does not have as good of an internal antenna as your wife's phone. My sis and brother n law have a cabin about 15 miles east of Grayling and her phone usually has 3-4 bars of EDGE, while his (One X also) has no service. Another possible reason is there could be handoff issues switching from EDGE to HSPA+(4G). I am now with Verizon and have the HTC Droid DNA, and I have noticed that sometimes my phone doesn't switch into 4G until I get close to the tower. If that happens to you again, I would suggest turning on Airplane mode, then turning it back off instead of a restart. Worse case scenario, you might have to find someone to flash an upgraded radio on your phone.

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@Lewyman is 100% correct. Some smartphones have much worse RF than dumbphones. HTC is known to have 'iffy' RF quality. Motorola (all models), Apple (i4S, i5), and BlackBerry (all models) have the best RF quality out there. 

 

Also: Verizon just activated 4G LTE in the city and surrounding areas of Cheboygan, MI this morning around 4:00AM. 

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Was in Marquette today, and never got a 4G signal anywhere in town. What is up with this? The coverage map says there is 4G there, bu it's a no-go.

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