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03-30-2011 10:48:00 AM
I received my letter via email yesterday (that's a first)! I don't stream either, but I am NOT supporting this capping move!

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{Keep it Relevant} Oh well complaint is already in. I would suggest everyone going over to FCC.gov.
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03-30-2011 10:57:16 AM
That's because it is against the Forum Guidelines; but if you subscribe to your posts (or those of interest) via email, you will get/see the links.
I will be filling it out.

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03-30-2011 10:59:56 AM - edited 03-30-2011 11:00:47 AM
Actually I'm pretty impressed with what the Moderators are willing to let us say here. And we musn't forget whose house were in.
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03-30-2011 11:08:10 AM
That is true, and why links like that are removed.

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7-Cha0s wrote:
{Content Removed: Keep it Relevant}
LOL
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03-30-2011 11:46:56 AM
Mikro wrote:
I just got the E-mail mentioning the May 2 2011 changes and includes the still confusing Bandwidth Usage Limits
Looks like I might be looking to go back to charter after reading TOS and the E-mail Because it looks like AT&T wants to Punish the General User instead of going after the 2% they say are abusing Network bandwidth Use.
I can't even find the link to the new TOS
The link is right at the bottom of the same email you, and other's received, as you found out, or already knew.
And your antics in changing the thread title from "AT&T To Impose Caps, Overages", to "AT&T TOS 2011 including Usage Limitations", in a serious 630+ thread is not appreciated! ![]()
Here I thought I was getting email subscriptions from 2 different threads and they were one in the same. But they looked that way because you changed the thread title.
I changed the thread title back to what the OP had written and hope it stays that way.
Please do not disrupt this thread, or any other worthwhile threads, anymore.

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03-30-2011 11:53:28 AM
Uni,
Not that I would ever defend Mikro, but he actually started a new thread with the title "AT&T TOS 2011 including Usage Limitations". His message was moved to this thread because there was already an existing thread on the topic that he was discussing.

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03-30-2011 12:14:20 PM
texasguy37 wrote:
Uni,
Not that I would ever defend Mikro, but he actually started a new thread with the title "AT&T TOS 2011 including Usage Limitations". His message was moved to this thread because there was already an existing thread on the topic that he was discussing.
Thanks for the heads up TG and I never saw the other thread.
Guess I owe Mikro an apology, sorry.
If indeed the mods can move a similar thread with a different title right into another thread, and there was no sign it was moved there, that's a problem. Especially if the thread moved keeps that title. And I could not figure why on the posts that were edited it went back to the original thread title. The thread title kept jumping back and forth on the last couple pages.
Guess I learned what you see is not always what you get.

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03-30-2011 12:24:21 PM
Some of the title changes are the result of a message being moved from another thread. Other times the change is indeed due to the poster changing the title of the thread in the reply.

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03-30-2011 12:46:07 PM
Oh Yeah! Not sure how many people on theis thread live in Kansas City but it was just announced that KC will be a test market for google 1GB Internet service. Bye Bye AT&T Now someone is doing it right bringing us more bandwidth at a affordable price with no caps. Thats why you should try and compete instead of restrict. You loss is another companies gain. Go Go Google!
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03-30-2011 12:46:41 PM
This forum is pretty open to bashing ATT all you want, but anything regarding legal action against them is forbidden out in the open.

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03-30-2011 12:56:37 PM
Uniblurb3 wrote:
Guess I learned what you see is not always what you get.
Now THERE's a prophetic statement if ever I've read one. ![]()
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03-30-2011 01:48:57 PM
bld522 wrote:
Uniblurb3 wrote:
Guess I learned what you see is not always what you get.
Now THERE's a prophetic statement if ever I've read one.
Kind of out of context when just part of my quote is posted.
It has to do with thread titles which keep flipping back and forth, threads being moved/edited by the mod, and maybe you can better explain?

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03-30-2011 01:52:20 PM - edited 03-30-2011 02:00:49 PM
I know. I couldn't help myself. I just love double entendres, hence the
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03-30-2011 02:03:19 PM
#622 might be the post you're looking for, Uni?

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03-30-2011 02:04:41 PM
mblackwell33 wrote:Oh Yeah! Not sure how many people on theis thread live in Kansas City but it was just announced that KC will be a test market for google 1GB Internet service. Bye Bye AT&T Now someone is doing it right bringing us more bandwidth at a affordable price with no caps. Thats why you should try and compete instead of restrict. You loss is another companies gain. Go Go Google!
I saw that Kansas City got Goodls 1G internet. But it is Kansas City, KS, which is only 175,000 residents. (KS, KS is a very industrial area).
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03-30-2011 02:24:25 PM - edited 03-30-2011 02:27:05 PM
Yeah I signed up for Time Warner Business Class. I've been a loyal AT&T supporter for decades, own stock in them, and have always used their various services. Not only was my move pushed by their rude capping @ 250GB - the notice I got also included that they are introductiong "Tiered Internet Plans". So my 18mbps connection is no longer guaranteed @ 18 - its guaranteed @ 12-18. That is not what I signed for or paid for. While me and everyone else dropping AT&T because of this doesn't matter one bit to them; I just wanted to state that I do not enjoy being screwed over by a company I have long supported and promoted, nor will I allow it. I hope Verizon FiOS starts spreading out and dominating Uverse in leu of these changes - they deserve it.
Maybe they can take some money out of the executives pockets and put it into their backbone infrastructure so their customers dont have to suffer for their neglect. You know internet usage is always growing - technology is always expanding - you think they would know this and plan accordingly.
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03-30-2011 02:34:11 PM
Does anyone have any experience with Clear? Here in Allen, Tx in my complex it's either Uverse or Clear for internet. I am already dropping Uverse TV when the caps go in effect. I have already switched from AT&T cell to Sprint UNLIMITED and couldn't be happier. If I can switch to Clear I can say goodbye to AT&T completely. The coverage maps look great. Speeds are a bit slowr than Uverse but the service is UNLIMITED. Nice to know I have a choice.
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03-30-2011 02:42:48 PM
I think randyl has it (also in TX), so maybe shoot him a PM since he doesn't visit here much these days.

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03-30-2011 02:44:31 PM
spd2demun wrote:
#622 might be the post you're looking for, Uni?
Yeah, I know Spd that's were the new thread name started, thanks.
Typically when a thread is moved there's a link still left in the forum somewhere that would direct you to where it was moved to. But evidently that did not happen when these 2 threads were merged since I can't find it anywhere.
I just can't figure out why messages 624 & 626, which were edited by the mod, ended up with the OP's original thread title in the middle of posts 622-632 which had the title of "AT&T TOS 2011 including Usage Limitations". Something's skewed or maybe the mod changed the thread title name back to the original.
Or may I need to quit watching the show "Numbers" in the weee hours of the night/morning. ![]()
bld522, we're cool and I understand my "prophetic statement" can be used for life in general, particularly with U-verse. ![]()

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03-30-2011 02:50:49 PM - edited 03-30-2011 02:52:32 PM
Thanks, UB3. Initially I thought about asking you whether I could use your "prophetic statement" as my sig, but I thought better of it. ![]()
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03-30-2011 02:50:55 PM
ram1220 wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with Clear?
Speeds are a bit slowr than Uverse but the service is UNLIMITED. Nice to know I have a choice.
There are rampant accusations that Clear will throttle your speed down if you exceed some unpublished level of monthly data use.
They say that the service is unlimited, but it clearly is not. They simply do not have the wireless network able to handle that volume of traffic.
Also, be prepared for high and variable latency, which is common amongst all wireless carriers.

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03-30-2011 03:12:27 PM
I live in Lawrence, Kansas, which is a 20-minute drive from Kansas City Kansas. We are pretty exited by the Google announcement, especially since at the press conference, it was announced the KCK was the beginning of a regional network and Google was going to expand into other towns in the area.
Fiber to the Home is what U-Verse should have done, and would have allowed AT&T to offer better service, cheaper (over the long term) without any congestion worries.
We are considering switching from U-Verse to our local cable provider (Knology) but will probably not, because Knology has the same 250 GB cap as U-Verse (so much for a competitive market!)
If you're curious, I have a blog where I compare U-Verse to traditional cable, for both data and television. It focuses on Lawrence but much of the discussion is applicable anywhere. Here's my post comparing the "new" U-Verse caps with our cable caps:
http://lawrencebroadband.blogspot.com/2011/03/at-s
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03-30-2011 03:18:17 PM
Uniblurb3 wrote:
Yeah, I know Spd that's were the new thread name started, thanks.
Typically when a thread is moved there's a link still left in the forum somewhere that would direct you to where it was moved to. But evidently that did not happen when these 2 threads were merged since I can't find it anywhere.
I just can't figure out why messages 624 & 626, which were edited by the mod, ended up with the OP's original thread title in the middle of posts 622-632 which had the title of "AT&T TOS 2011 including Usage Limitations". Something's skewed or maybe the mod changed the thread title name back to the original.
Or may I need to quit watching the show "Numbers" in the weee hours of the night/morning.
bld522, we're cool and I understand my "prophetic statement" can be used for life in general, particularly with U-verse.
Uni, here is the link to the thread Mikro originally started: http://forums.att.com/t5/General-Care-and-Support/
The title defaulted into the subject line of a reply is the subject of the message selected by the poster to reply to. Also, if the Reply button is selected at the top of the thread, the defaulted subject in the reply will be the title of the thread. Thus, message #623 chose Mikro's message to reply to. Message #624 and #626 either selected the Reply button at the top of the forum or selected another message in the forum with the original thread title to reply to.

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03-30-2011 04:20:26 PM
texasguy37 wrote:
Uniblurb3 wrote:
Yeah, I know Spd that's were the new thread name started, thanks.
Typically when a thread is moved there's a link still left in the forum somewhere that would direct you to where it was moved to. But evidently that did not happen when these 2 threads were merged since I can't find it anywhere.
I just can't figure out why messages 624 & 626, which were edited by the mod, ended up with the OP's original thread title in the middle of posts 622-632 which had the title of "AT&T TOS 2011 including Usage Limitations". Something's skewed or maybe the mod changed the thread title name back to the original.
Or may I need to quit watching the show "Numbers" in the weee hours of the night/morning.
bld522, we're cool and I understand my "prophetic statement" can be used for life in general, particularly with U-verse.
Uni, here is the link to the thread Mikro originally started: http://forums.att.com/t5/General-Care-and-Support/
AT-amp-T-TOS-2011-including-Usage-Limitations/m-p/ ...
The title defaulted into the subject line of a reply is the subject of the message selected by the poster to reply to. Also, if the Reply button is selected at the top of the thread, the defaulted subject in the reply will be the title of the thread. Thus, message #623 chose Mikro's message to reply to. Message #624 and #626 either selected the Reply button at the top of the forum or selected another message in the forum with the original thread title to reply to.
TG, thanks for finding that thread and I wouldn't have thought to look in the "Account and Billing" boards. Of course when I clicked on that post/thread in his profile it came directly to this thread where it was moved.
It also sounds like a logical explanation on how posts 624 & 626 ended up with a different thread name out of the series. But I think the way the system works is wrong when it lets 9 posts maintain the moved thread title, and supersedes the existing thread name/title, when it's merged with an existing thread. If all members replied to the post in front of them, like I did, it would change the thread title completely from the original title. So as to not take up space in this thread I'll be discussing this issue with the mods further.

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03-30-2011 06:57:24 PM - edited 03-30-2011 07:00:46 PM
I just got the following email which I presume everyone also got:
3/30/2011 9:33 PM
"As of May 2, 2011, AT&T's residential DSL High Speed Internet plans will have a usage allowance of 150 Gigabytes ("GB") per month, and its residential U-verse High Speed Internet plans will have a usage allowance of 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month. The usage allowance is the amount of data you can send and receive each month."
There goes my streaming Netflix movie watching. I'll have to just rely on the Netflix Blue Ray and DVD movies now. Netflix probably triggered the ATT move by bragging that all their movies would be only streamed over the internet in 5 years.
I'm getting one of those new Sony / Google / Netflix 40" TV's. I guess now it will only be the TV part I will use. The rest just went obsolete before I even received it. I'm going to cancel it tomorrow and buy another one without internet access or just forget a new TV altogether. ATT just made that internet movie access OBSOLETE.
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03-30-2011 08:03:51 PM
According to CNET, Verizon is upgrading some sections of it's internet backbone to handle 100 gig. This is the same thing that they did recently in Europe. It's good to know that some companies invest for their customers and not just their shareholders.
As far as caps go. I really hate to leave U-Verse. I have voice and internet service and has been completely satisfied with my service. I didn't go with U-Verse for tv because, quite frankly, their hd picture leaves much to be desired. I went with Dish Network instead. I'm lucky that I live in the Detroit area because there are other options for uncapped service. WOW offers uncapped internet @ 8 meg with unlimited phone service for $5 less than my U-Verse 6 meg with unlimited phone service. And if worse comes to worse, I could see about getting Comcast Business class with Vonage for my phone. I know that my family and I go way over 250 gigs per month. We stream a lot of Netflix stuff and me and my two sons do a lot of gaming and digital download purchases. I'm sure ATT won't be sorry to see me go since I don't subscribe to their tv service. But man I've been a loyal customer of theirs for over 20 years. Oh well, nothing lasts forever.
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03-30-2011 08:18:06 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110330/ap_on_hi_te/us
Google says it hopes phone and cable companies will learn lessons from the experimental network that will help them hurry the rollout of their own high-speed systems and bring faster connections to more Americans at a lower cost. It also hopes to provide a test-bed for online video and other advanced applications that require a lot of bandwidth.
If more data can be sent through Internet pipes at faster speeds, Google believes people will spend more time on the Internet — an activity that typically enriches the company by bringing more traffic to its dominant search engine and producing more opportunities to show revenue-generating ads
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03-30-2011 08:42:08 PM
sirmaru wrote:There goes my streaming Netflix movie watching. I'll have to just rely on the Netflix Blue Ray and DVD movies now. Netflix probably triggered the ATT move by bragging that all their movies would be only streamed over the internet in 5 years.
I'm getting one of those new Sony / Google / Netflix 40" TV's. I guess now it will only be the TV part I will use. The rest just went obsolete before I even received it. I'm going to cancel it tomorrow and buy another one without internet access or just forget a new TV altogether. ATT just made that internet movie access OBSOLETE.
This makes me very sad. Please do not punish Netflix, Sony, and Google for the sins of AT&T. Punish AT&T. ![]()








