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ATT Locks All Bootloaders

I became customer October 2012 purchasing Galaxy Note 2.

Ive found ATT Coverage  , CS  , store experience to be the BEST but there is some bad news.

ATT no longer supports Android consumer freedom & will be locking down ALL future device bootloaders they sell.

 

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/08/02/att-to-android-users-we-dont-support-unlocked-bootloaders-so...

 

With this being the case I will make move to T-mobile for Galaxy Note 3 release.

 

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ACE - Professor

I can't really make comments that are compliant with the rules of the forums on this subject matter.  Suffice it to say that I'm not happy with the stance that AT&T takes.  However, I'm not as surprised considering that this was the last carrier to allow sideloading of apps on Android phones.  I am disappointed, though.

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I would really opt to buying a phone unlocked without it being tied to a carrier. I wouldn't want to sacrifice coverage and reliability for some new approach being taken. Everything has its exceptions, it seems unlocked devices is one of them, but I too am disappointed.
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Well hopefully ATT will rethink their stance or they will loose big time.

After their GS4 Bootloader lockdown many consumers made move to T-mobiles unlocked version , less expensive prepay plan with unlimited data.

Such customer activity will become more popular as time moves on ATT will pay a big price.

The Android tech Nerd community is a strong one & the word is getting out with recommendations to steer clear of this carrier that trickles down to the not so informed smartphone buyer which ATT banks on.

Those customers will be moving onto unlocked bootloader carriers as well.

Word of mouth goes a long way,

6 of my friends using Verizon are thinking about making move to ATT in fall , Needless to say I will recommend against it if all bootloaders are locked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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While I understand its not the same, people would still have the option of actually using launchers to customize their devices, which is still pretty cool to me anyway.

There must be people who love android out there, heck, even I like Android though for simplicity I use my iPhone, but the problem itself could be avoided just by purchasing an unlocked device. My guess this really doesn't affect many because they like the unique features that OEMs out on the phones, for example Sense and BoomSound for HTC or Multi Window and TouchWiz from Samsung.

Every carrier has something a consumer will not like. Personally I hated T-Mobile's unlocking policy though its changed now. I also hated their coverage but they have very neat devices now in their lineup. Everything comes with a price, whether it's present now or in the near future.
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Well some advice to ATT

 

"When user has device choice they have freedom we are ATT"

That has a good ring to it no other carrier holds .

If you sold unlocked bootloader version with software warranty sign away that would be a major positive keeping your full ATT android customer base in tact also attracting others with safeguard in place for you not eating brick device.

If unlocked bootloader brick crash occurs consumer would have to deal with Samsung warranty 1-800

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I usually would agree with the sentiment not to buy a phone with a locked bootloader. In the past I have found it NECESSARY to get phones to do what I intended. The Galaxy S was released WAY before its firmware was actually ready. When I bought the phone, it could not do Voice dial over Bluetooth. I had to install firmware that worked, but since it came from another variation, it did not support the Audience noise cancellation technology that was in the phone. I had the phone for maybe 8 months before AT&T released an update that supported both bluetooth voice dial and the noise cancelation.

 

With the S4, both features above work as they should, AND the phone allows tethering with no hacking, since AT&T has finally gone reasonable on the issue of tethering with new phones.

 

Now, I have no compelling reason to mess with the phone, so I really don't mind. Also, the task manager on the phone will allow you to disable the bloatware. You can't uninstall it, but disabling it keeps it out of the way.

 

This is the first time I've been satisfied with a phone as delivered by AT&T, so I don't really mind not having to mess with custom ROMs and whatnot. 

 

I realize others may feel differently, but I think most users just want their phone to work without having to mess with it.

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Any time a major carrier takes away a feature or capability, increases prices, decreases service and then uses Newspeak to make it sound like they're doing it FOR their customers, you need only do one thing. Simply recite the mantra "Behold the power of the oligopoly!" Say it with conviction. The Big 4 cell companies can do pretty much what they want. For every customer who hates X and goes to Y, there is a customer who hates Y and goes to X.

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What you want would not be affected at all by having an unlocked bootloader. For myself I took the most recent update and after that i was unable to install apps form the app store.... after wiping the phone as instructed i was told that the software was corrupt and i would need a new phone.... well I don't really want to get a refurbished phone for something that could very easily be fixed if the bootloader wasn't locked.... its funny the things ATT is allowed to do to MY DEVICE that i have no legal rights to.....

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While I understand why as a company AT&T would want to lock the bootloaders I also am disappointed with the decision.  Especially even when given the fact that once a device is no longer available from AT&T (Xperia ion, Xperia TL) we still can't unlock the bootloader.  Very least they could do is once the device is EOL from their lineup is allow the bootloader to be unlocked, expecially if the device is out of warranty.  At that point what would they have to lose?

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AT&T has never supported unlocked bootloaders and I don't see that changing anytime in the forseen future. This is the main thing that drove me to XDA to learn what I have learned. Now, I won't even have a carrier branded device. My Nexus 4 was only $350 and it runs fine on the AT&T network, plus I am enjoying the freedom of modding my device to my liking. It is great to see manufacturers now putting out devices that are pure Android, which are non manufacturer branded, non carrier branded. All this just gives the consumer more choice. At some point it becomes best to just pay for what you want, instead of chasing the reduced prices the carriers are willing to give you for sucking up their locked down devices.

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sitnsidewayz wrote:

 

At some point it becomes best to just pay for what you want, instead of chasing the reduced prices the carriers are willing to give you for sucking up their locked down devices.


I couldn't have said it better myself. I got rid of my AT&T GS3, used the funds to help finance the purchase of a GS4 Google Edition and will never buy another carrier-branded device. Locked bootloaders and ludicrous update delays? No thanks.

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Evandela wrote:
While I understand its not the same, people would still have the option of actually using launchers to customize their devices, which is still pretty cool to me anyway.


Not trying to be rude, but there is a reason why so many people want their unlocked bootloaders. Running a 3rd party launcher over a stock bloated ROM and saying that it may be a solution is akin to throwing some paint on top of a heavily rusted car and calling it showroom quality.

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jii, it was a suggestion. Some may or may not be aware of that option. However, I do stand by what I said in regards to unlocked phones being a workaround.
~Sunshine :smileyhappy:
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Well what a depressing day.
I'm prepping for Galaxy Note 3 release touched base with T-mobile getting plan figured out etc and will be making move due to ATT locked boot loader policy.
T-Mobile LTE coverage is = to ATT in my area with unlimited data & smaller price tag which is a plus but I'm very sad.
Ive been with ATT for almost a year finding excellent coverage / CS and planed on being a customer for a long time but that changed due to ATT policy taking away customer freedom putting lockdown on bootloader
If I buy a device it should be mine to do as I want , ATT doesnt agree


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My wife and I both want Samsund Galaxy phones (S4 Mini for me and Note 3 for her). Should we go Verizon? I don't want to try to learn how to root my phone.

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pcunite wrote:

My wife and I both want Samsund Galaxy phones (S4 Mini for me and Note 3 for her). Should we go Verizon? I don't want to try to learn how to root my phone.


I don't get it.  If you don't want to learn how to root a phone, why do you care if the bootloader is locked?  Or is the difficult of said root that you are referring to?

 

In any case, Verizon is just as bad at trying to keep their phones locked down.  So I don't know why you think Verizon is a better option.

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>> I don't get it. If you don't want to learn how to root a phone,

>> why do you care if the bootloader is locked? Or is the difficulty

>> of said root that you are referring to?

 

I'm guess I'm referring to how AT&T does not supposedly release updates for their phones and I might have to root it.

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I understand AT&T does not support unlocked bootloaders - but if I move to a different carrier they say they will "unlock" - doesn't that include the bootloader?

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No, SIM unlocks are only to use devices on another carrier (Example: Use AT&T devices on T-Mobile etc).

You would have to check with the device manufacturer to see if they can provide ways to unlock the boot loader or via another method.

HTC does allow their devices to have the bootloader unlocked via their developer website.
~Sunshine :smileyhappy:
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Do NOT buy a Galaxy Note 3 or ANY Android phone from AT&T They can NOT be ROOTED. AT&T: Unlock OUR Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Bootloader!

 

What does it mean for the average user? Less freedom. Less resale value (Used phones that cannot be rooted are undesirable. What does it mean for "Power Users" and folks that love to have the best of everything? It means these phones cannot be modded. In any way. No Boot Loader unlock means no root. No root means no custom recovery. No custom recovery means no custom ROMs. no STOCK ROMS with performance tweaks. No ROMs of any type.

 

It means that anyone who cares a lot about their mobile device should start looking elsewhere. Like T-Mobile, where they still value their customers. I am taking 5 lines of service over to T-Mobile SPECIFICALLY because of this bone headed move. AT&T: WHAT HAPPENED? 

 

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AT&T is Locking Boot Loaders on Android phones. The beginning of the end.

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Well Im still an ATT customer skipping the Galaxy Note 3. I could of went out of my way purchasing T-mobile with sim unlock bootloader crackable to run on Death star but I found GN3 build quality not so great compared to GN2 so I took a pass.

GN2 bootloader is unlocked  ,device  works well Im sticking with it.

 

This bootloader lockdown is a nightmare for many also affecting ATT GN3 sales.

Everyone has a friend that recommends smartphones  , Usually that friend is a smartphone geek aka rooter  ,moder , rom builder.

When the geek is locked out of their device they let it be known to friends , family etc pushing them away from it aka ATT brand.

Android sites all over the net are advising customers to steer clear of ATT due to bootloader lockdown.

This will hurt ATT new custmer sign up as well as currents

 

Some current customers will buy Bootloder unlockable device from different carrier such as Tmobile to use on ATT network , While buying some will sign on with T-mobile due to less expensive rate plans dumping ATT.

 

ATT better wake up or the loss we be felt in near future

 

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