07-25-2013 10:47:51 AM
I think that's the primary issue. The S3 is no longer the flagship phone. It's now the S4. So AT&T is not so concerned about updating it.
I don't know about that. They updated the Pantech Flex to 4.1.2 and that phone was a low-end freebie. Considering what has been told to some users who filed BBB/FCC complaints and that custom ROMs based on other carriers' 4.1.2 versions run without any problems on AT&T's GS3, I'd say that it's highly likely that AT&T bloatware is not playing nicely with 4.1.2. If this is indeed the case, it's mindblowing that AT&T is delaying an update with important security fixes because of compatibility issues with their useless apps.
07-25-2013 12:55:10 PM - last edited on 07-25-2013 01:01:09 PM by Phil-101
how about after some one talks to the BBB and gets ahold of the heads at at&t just say this how about you release the update to customers who don't want your useless apps cuz we can't delete them if we want to and that is space on my phone i can use
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07-25-2013 05:43:28 PM
Yet another reason why I'm done with carrier variants. It's so refreshing to have a phone that's not filled with bloat that can't be removed without rooting.
Just think about how ridiculous this is. AT&T is blocking an important update because their bloatware is not compatible with it. Let that sink in, everyone.
07-25-2013 07:30:57 PM
07-26-2013 06:30:02 AM
This does nothing to solve the very real security issues of being able to bypass the lockscreen and/or unauthorized monitoring and interception of the data packets exchanged between the device and the network. This app can only target other bits of software that are installed on the device; the software patches we are concerned about in the 4.1.2 update deal somewhat with the exploits those bits of software can use, but also patches server-side (remote-access) exploits contained in the OS and low-level software itself. This app (and actually no app could- without you providing 100% control access to it which is extremely risky and you deserve the virus if you are ever willing to turn over that much control to an app) can't touch that.
07-26-2013 10:21:55 AM
07-26-2013 10:42:26 AM
07-26-2013 11:22:23 AM
I read your article, but here it is 26 Jul 13 and still no 4.1.2, much less 4.2.2. I have been with Cingular/ATT since 2004, but I think I have suffered enough. I changed from the Nokia Lumia 900, the flagship for ATT in Apr, 2012, and discovered nothing ATT offered worked for this phone. Decided Win 7.5 - 7.8 poor choice for an OS, so switched to GS3, JB 4.1.1. I only wanted three things from my smart phone. 1. back up contacts, 2. Bluetooth sms tts for text messages and to use it as a phone. While I have a good sms tts app, andriod dumps tts engine after first text message. I understand that 4.1.1 is wormy, and that 4.1.2 and 4.2.2 both solve the bt sms tts issue, so I'm anxious to upgrade. Where is it?
07-26-2013 11:49:09 AM
Actually, you are wrong on just about every account:
- The "Masterkey" exploit is but one of the many exploits present in any OS software (Android, iOS, Windows, it doesn't matter), in fact all methods of rooting your device use these exploits to gain root access. But there is also low-level software (think like the BIOS on an old PC when you boot it up and see that black and white DOS-like screen- that's the GUI/report/print output of the BIOS software) that applications themselves do not touch because Android has not even started running yet, so the app doesn't even have a chance to alter it- unless you are rooted then an app can be instructed to re-write the build files that the low-level software runs on if you give it permission to.
- As to the lockscreen bypass; it is a well-documented issue (last spring, affected the GS3, one of the Notes, and even a similar "hack" worked on the iPhone- all of which were patched except the GS3 on AT&T) where you go to the emergency calling screen, go to the contacts screen and then hit home and extremely quickly press power; when you power back on the device will be at the non-locked swipe screen. A guy at work demoed this to me two and a half weeks ago, and it does not matter if you have a PIN set, a Password set, or even the Pattern lock set, it bypasses them all. He said it would even work with the face detection lock too (although he didn't demo that)- it is an exploit of the emergency calling/contact process, so if you have access to that, you have access to the device.
I do not mean to come across as harsh, but think of how many people might read your post, think that that app (or any app) will fix the issue and make them safe, when in reality they are anything but? It does not fix the issue(s), please quit saying that it does.
07-26-2013 01:07:57 PM
I tried bypassing the pattern lock by going to the Emergency Contact dialer and doing what you said and when my GS3 came back on, the pattern lock came back as well. Maybe that breach was fixed, or it could be because of various security apps I have, such as Avast, for one. That was a bad vulnerability you mentioned, and I thank you for bringing it to the attention of the rest of us.
07-26-2013 01:58:12 PM
Here's what I found after googling it that night:
and a video:
When my coworker did it I thought he was going into the notification panel and doing something (it looked like he was swiping), but he confirmed to me this is what he was doing.
I spoke with Samsung who confirmed that they patched this for the International version independently (its own small update) in late March, and the US carrier variants received it in the 4.1.2 premium suite update that everyone but AT&T has pushed out... (Sadly she was shocked that we hadn't received it yet but looked it up based on our baseband and confirmed that AT&T has not authorized it as official software yet- which also confirms that yes, 4.1.2 is the next software version we will receive, and yes it exists)...
07-26-2013 02:01:06 PM
07-26-2013 02:14:19 PM - edited 07-26-2013 02:16:53 PM
i think that it would be best if you stop posting man,i really supported you before but now your just bashing everyone else beacuse they still have this problem and you dont. im so happy for you that the problem was fixed for you, but ur basically the only one. i have read every singal post on this for months and just cant agree on how you treat every person who disagrees with you and verbally attack them.i have heald my tounge for awhile but feel this needs to be said and im sure im not the only one. i have no problem with you, but because your problem was fixed, your imput really doenst seem nessicary anymore. at least if its not helpful. if you have anything actually useful on how to solve this without rooting or getting a new phone or downloading usless apps, feel free, but no need to bash. this is a discussion, not your time to lecture others for disagreeing with you. im sure most people who really care, like i do, have tried to talk to at&t just the way you have described many times and it has not worked. so im very happy your satisfied with how they handled the situatuon, but the rest of us arent, and most likely wont be until this problem is truley fixed
07-26-2013 02:38:23 PM
So here's a question: I received the unlock code from AT&T today. Will unlocking it give us updates directly from Samsung?
No, SIM unlock just means you can put any other GSM SIM card in your phone and use it on that other network. The software is still the AT&T-specific software.
Theoretically you can root and flash a completely stock ROM based on the International GS3, but unless it has AT&T modem files & baseband you will not be able to connect to the LTE network. That would potentially "trick" the device and server backend into thinking it is an international unlocked phone, but even with that option I'm not sure Samsung's servers would recognize your device's IMEI and so know to push an update to it... Maybe there's some way for it to "check in" with Samsung, but not that I know of...
Plus, the updates pushed out directly by Samsung wouldn't match the CPU and SoC your device uses, so the updates Samsung pushes out would not work anyways...
Maybe a T-mobile ROM? They're pretty snappy at getting updates pushed out...
All in all though, if you're going to root and flash anyway, there's better options (in many cases) than stock...
07-26-2013 04:06:08 PM - edited 07-26-2013 04:10:47 PM
I have filed my third BBB complaint against this company in a little more than a year, to all that have filed all I can tell you is do not settle for just anything, if they do not give you substantial compensation for their poor customer service then tell them that the complaint will stay in place and that you will notify the BBB that they will not give you a fair settlement and also tell AT&T that you are also going to make a complaint with the FCC because of the lack of response to the security risk on the phone and that you are going to contact the FTC also. This is something that needs to be taken care of. I have contacted both the FCC and the FTC already.
07-26-2013 05:53:10 PM
AMEN TO THAT BROTHER. Finally someone had the guts to say it. My acc was suspended so I couldn't and I read every post and I was waiting for my acc to be restore to say it. Thanks bro.
07-26-2013 06:02:36 PM
07-27-2013 03:51:34 AM
...guess she figured no one was buying the "were working with Samsung line"...will ANY AT&T rep here who reads this forum and knows what's going on please inform us on why their is such a delay....I'm pretty sure more them half of us here would be willing to wait for the release more patiently if we knew what was going on rather then thinking everyone at the company is running around without a clue that 4.1.2 even exist.
Thank you, I to was getting tired of the gloat from arch
07-27-2013 04:05:44 AM
07-27-2013 11:15:30 AM - last edited on 07-27-2013 03:27:56 PM by Phil-101
Well if this form is not working then maybe you should try this.
AT&T's Corporate Office Headquarters in the USA:
208 South Akard
Dallas, TX 75202
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07-27-2013 02:40:39 PM
07-27-2013 03:55:02 PM
07-27-2013 06:26:34 PM
4.3 was just released for Nexus phones. Guess we all need their phones instead of Samsung. Seems they get update as do other carriers but Not AT&T...