08-06-2013 08:18:54 AM - edited 08-06-2013 08:32:13 AM
I became customer October 2012 purchasing Galaxy Note 2.
Ive found ATT Coverage , CS , store experience to be the BEST but there is some bad news.
ATT no longer supports Android consumer freedom & will be locking down ALL future device bootloaders they sell.
With this being the case I will make move to T-mobile for Galaxy Note 3 release.
08-06-2013 08:47:02 AM
I can't really make comments that are compliant with the rules of the forums on this subject matter. Suffice it to say that I'm not happy with the stance that AT&T takes. However, I'm not as surprised considering that this was the last carrier to allow sideloading of apps on Android phones. I am disappointed, though.
08-06-2013 09:27:00 AM
08-06-2013 09:34:22 AM - edited 08-06-2013 09:39:57 AM
Well hopefully ATT will rethink their stance or they will loose big time.
After their GS4 Bootloader lockdown many consumers made move to T-mobiles unlocked version , less expensive prepay plan with unlimited data.
Such customer activity will become more popular as time moves on ATT will pay a big price.
The Android tech Nerd community is a strong one & the word is getting out with recommendations to steer clear of this carrier that trickles down to the not so informed smartphone buyer which ATT banks on.
Those customers will be moving onto unlocked bootloader carriers as well.
Word of mouth goes a long way,
6 of my friends using Verizon are thinking about making move to ATT in fall , Needless to say I will recommend against it if all bootloaders are locked.
08-06-2013 09:43:42 AM
There must be people who love android out there, heck, even I like Android though for simplicity I use my iPhone, but the problem itself could be avoided just by purchasing an unlocked device. My guess this really doesn't affect many because they like the unique features that OEMs out on the phones, for example Sense and BoomSound for HTC or Multi Window and TouchWiz from Samsung.
Every carrier has something a consumer will not like. Personally I hated T-Mobile's unlocking policy though its changed now. I also hated their coverage but they have very neat devices now in their lineup. Everything comes with a price, whether it's present now or in the near future.
08-06-2013 10:18:23 AM
Well some advice to ATT
"When user has device choice they have freedom we are ATT"
That has a good ring to it no other carrier holds .
If you sold unlocked bootloader version with software warranty sign away that would be a major positive keeping your full ATT android customer base in tact also attracting others with safeguard in place for you not eating brick device.
If unlocked bootloader brick crash occurs consumer would have to deal with Samsung warranty 1-800
08-18-2013 05:21:30 PM
I usually would agree with the sentiment not to buy a phone with a locked bootloader. In the past I have found it NECESSARY to get phones to do what I intended. The Galaxy S was released WAY before its firmware was actually ready. When I bought the phone, it could not do Voice dial over Bluetooth. I had to install firmware that worked, but since it came from another variation, it did not support the Audience noise cancellation technology that was in the phone. I had the phone for maybe 8 months before AT&T released an update that supported both bluetooth voice dial and the noise cancelation.
With the S4, both features above work as they should, AND the phone allows tethering with no hacking, since AT&T has finally gone reasonable on the issue of tethering with new phones.
Now, I have no compelling reason to mess with the phone, so I really don't mind. Also, the task manager on the phone will allow you to disable the bloatware. You can't uninstall it, but disabling it keeps it out of the way.
This is the first time I've been satisfied with a phone as delivered by AT&T, so I don't really mind not having to mess with custom ROMs and whatnot.
I realize others may feel differently, but I think most users just want their phone to work without having to mess with it.
08-19-2013 06:27:21 AM
08-19-2013 07:47:23 AM
08-20-2013 10:23:22 AM
While I understand why as a company AT&T would want to lock the bootloaders I also am disappointed with the decision. Especially even when given the fact that once a device is no longer available from AT&T (Xperia ion, Xperia TL) we still can't unlock the bootloader. Very least they could do is once the device is EOL from their lineup is allow the bootloader to be unlocked, expecially if the device is out of warranty. At that point what would they have to lose?
08-21-2013 12:36:01 PM
AT&T has never supported unlocked bootloaders and I don't see that changing anytime in the forseen future. This is the main thing that drove me to XDA to learn what I have learned. Now, I won't even have a carrier branded device. My Nexus 4 was only $350 and it runs fine on the AT&T network, plus I am enjoying the freedom of modding my device to my liking. It is great to see manufacturers now putting out devices that are pure Android, which are non manufacturer branded, non carrier branded. All this just gives the consumer more choice. At some point it becomes best to just pay for what you want, instead of chasing the reduced prices the carriers are willing to give you for sucking up their locked down devices.
08-21-2013 01:33:15 PM
At some point it becomes best to just pay for what you want, instead of chasing the reduced prices the carriers are willing to give you for sucking up their locked down devices.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I got rid of my AT&T GS3, used the funds to help finance the purchase of a GS4 Google Edition and will never buy another carrier-branded device. Locked bootloaders and ludicrous update delays? No thanks.
08-21-2013 02:22:43 PM - edited 08-21-2013 02:23:01 PM
While I understand its not the same, people would still have the option of actually using launchers to customize their devices, which is still pretty cool to me anyway.
Not trying to be rude, but there is a reason why so many people want their unlocked bootloaders. Running a 3rd party launcher over a stock bloated ROM and saying that it may be a solution is akin to throwing some paint on top of a heavily rusted car and calling it showroom quality.
08-22-2013 02:14:58 PM
08-30-2013 03:49:42 PM - edited 08-30-2013 03:53:52 PM
Well what a depressing day.
I'm prepping for Galaxy Note 3 release touched base with T-mobile getting plan figured out etc and will be making move due to ATT locked boot loader policy.
T-Mobile LTE coverage is = to ATT in my area with unlimited data & smaller price tag which is a plus but I'm very sad.
Ive been with ATT for almost a year finding excellent coverage / CS and planed on being a customer for a long time but that changed due to ATT policy taking away customer freedom putting lockdown on bootloader
If I buy a device it should be mine to do as I want , ATT doesnt agree
09-24-2013 12:53:36 PM
My wife and I both want Samsund Galaxy phones (S4 Mini for me and Note 3 for her). Should we go Verizon? I don't want to try to learn how to root my phone.
I don't get it. If you don't want to learn how to root a phone, why do you care if the bootloader is locked? Or is the difficult of said root that you are referring to?
In any case, Verizon is just as bad at trying to keep their phones locked down. So I don't know why you think Verizon is a better option.
09-24-2013 07:04:57 PM
>> I don't get it. If you don't want to learn how to root a phone,
>> why do you care if the bootloader is locked? Or is the difficulty
>> of said root that you are referring to?
I'm guess I'm referring to how AT&T does not supposedly release updates for their phones and I might have to root it.
10-04-2013 05:57:09 AM
You would have to check with the device manufacturer to see if they can provide ways to unlock the boot loader or via another method.
HTC does allow their devices to have the bootloader unlocked via their developer website.
10-05-2013 03:09:10 PM - last edited on 10-05-2013 03:25:29 PM by Phil-101
Do NOT buy a Galaxy Note 3 or ANY Android phone from AT&T They can NOT be ROOTED. AT&T: Unlock OUR Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Bootloader!
What does it mean for the average user? Less freedom. Less resale value (Used phones that cannot be rooted are undesirable. What does it mean for "Power Users" and folks that love to have the best of everything? It means these phones cannot be modded. In any way. No Boot Loader unlock means no root. No root means no custom recovery. No custom recovery means no custom ROMs. no STOCK ROMS with performance tweaks. No ROMs of any type.
It means that anyone who cares a lot about their mobile device should start looking elsewhere. Like T-Mobile, where they still value their customers. I am taking 5 lines of service over to T-Mobile SPECIFICALLY because of this bone headed move. AT&T: WHAT HAPPENED?
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12-04-2013 10:11:36 AM - edited 12-04-2013 10:24:18 AM
Well Im still an ATT customer skipping the Galaxy Note 3. I could of went out of my way purchasing T-mobile with sim unlock bootloader crackable to run on Death star but I found GN3 build quality not so great compared to GN2 so I took a pass.
GN2 bootloader is unlocked ,device works well Im sticking with it.
This bootloader lockdown is a nightmare for many also affecting ATT GN3 sales.
Everyone has a friend that recommends smartphones , Usually that friend is a smartphone geek aka rooter ,moder , rom builder.
When the geek is locked out of their device they let it be known to friends , family etc pushing them away from it aka ATT brand.
Android sites all over the net are advising customers to steer clear of ATT due to bootloader lockdown.
This will hurt ATT new custmer sign up as well as currents
Some current customers will buy Bootloder unlockable device from different carrier such as Tmobile to use on ATT network , While buying some will sign on with T-mobile due to less expensive rate plans dumping ATT.
ATT better wake up or the loss we be felt in near future